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Yes, we should clarify things on the dimensions page.
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Simplified Definition for Dimensions
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Yes. We should clarify that we use geometrical dimensions, not scientific m-theory dimensions, and make the explanation as simple as possible.Promestein said:
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Well, we largely use geometrical definitions of dimensions, but also use scientific theories such as parallel universes along a 5D axis, 11D multiverses, and Hilbert space.
I am aware that geometry and science technically use different standards for dimensions, but as far as I understand, this is largely the way that the ACF originally structured their system, and the above mentioned concepts make convenient separations into different tiers.
I am definitely not willing to destroy our entire system with nothing better to replace it, and this sort of topic is technically extremely strongly prohibited by our regulations, as it is very dangerous for the sustained survival of our community.
I am aware that geometry and science technically use different standards for dimensions, but as far as I understand, this is largely the way that the ACF originally structured their system, and the above mentioned concepts make convenient separations into different tiers.
I am definitely not willing to destroy our entire system with nothing better to replace it, and this sort of topic is technically extremely strongly prohibited by our regulations, as it is very dangerous for the sustained survival of our community.
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Factually, our dimension page isn't very clear...
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@Antvasima
Nobody in this thread is criticizing our Tiering System. We are critizing the dimension page which isn't very good.
Nobody in this thread is criticizing our Tiering System. We are critizing the dimension page which isn't very good.
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As for the Hausdorff dimension, this is a mathematical concept that DontTalk found for us, which follows a similar principle to the system that DarkLK explained to me about lower-dimensional objects always having a size of 0 in higher dimensions.
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Can we focus on the issue at hand - the dimension page - instead of getting derailed about FTL stuff?
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What might exist in real-life is "apparent FTL", which are regions of space where space-time is distorted enough to allow for a pseudo FTL speed.
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Yes.Promestein said:
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Okay. My apologies. How do you suggest that we should reword the dimension page then? The tiering system page also mentions 5D multiverses, 11D string theory, Hausdorff dimensions, and Hilbert space.
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I don't think it'd be very good. Sera and Ven are the most correct here in saying that we should explain Geometrical Dimensions. I think that they can rewrite the page, and I can help them and make sure it follows our guidelines.Hat mchat said:
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Would you trust us with that?
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Hat mchat is also correct. We should mention that the definition is loosely related to that of the scientific definition but we primarily use the geometric version.
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Okay, Ant. Please be well.
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@DontTalk
Yeah, you're right.
But what we mean is that dimensions as depicted in fiction and defined geometrically have nothing to do with how they are theorized to be in M-Theory.
Yeah, you're right.
But what we mean is that dimensions as depicted in fiction and defined geometrically have nothing to do with how they are theorized to be in M-Theory.
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I'd say it depends if you're judging based on tiering or speed. The geometric definition; such as length, width, or height should be used regarding the tier, AP or durability. But the scientific definition of movement would be used regarding speed.
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I don't think the second definition is used much in fiction so it would be an inadvisable restriction.
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I mean, there are quite a lot of tier 2 characters who don't have Immeasurable speed. Examples are Shulk, Low 2-C and FTL+ Speed. And Seiya, 2-C and Sextillions of C. I also heard DarkAnine mentioned a 2-A character with normal human speed.
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Well, yeah. But by 5D and onwards you kinda gain Immeasurable speed by default.
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This ain't about speed.
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Well aware of that; 5 dimensional and beyond easily have immeasuable speed by default; immeasurable looking at the definition may range from 4D to infinite dimensions. 1-A and above have irrelevant speed. Just saying it's common for 4D characters to only have 3D speed.
But I agree with the OP regarding every other statistic; especially for the tier.
But I agree with the OP regarding every other statistic; especially for the tier.
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@Matthew: They have nothing to do with units like kg or Joule, which are also sometimes referred to as dimensions.
Aside from that physics usually makes the same use of the term as math/geometry. They just don't consider those in regards to stuff like size, but about other things (like how fast fields get weaker over distance). In my understanding we just don't follow a physics model for stuff above High 3-A / Infinite Energy, but instead a model of ranking according to size, so that we can differentiate between tiers above that in an intuitive fashion and aren't stuck with infinite universe level as highest tier.
Same definitions, different models basically.
Aside from that physics usually makes the same use of the term as math/geometry. They just don't consider those in regards to stuff like size, but about other things (like how fast fields get weaker over distance). In my understanding we just don't follow a physics model for stuff above High 3-A / Infinite Energy, but instead a model of ranking according to size, so that we can differentiate between tiers above that in an intuitive fashion and aren't stuck with infinite universe level as highest tier.
Same definitions, different models basically.
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As for immeasurable speed, we have changed the definition, so it now means transcending linear time, and has nothing to do with the number of spatial dimensions any more. However, we probably need to start a revision project for all of the pages that still use the old standard at some point.
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Wow... DontTalk nailed it well.
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@DontTalk
Do you think that there are parts of the dimension, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, and Tiering System explanations that should be adjusted for greater clarity?
Do you think that there are parts of the dimension, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, and Tiering System explanations that should be adjusted for greater clarity?
What type of dimension are we referring to? In most forms of media, comic books, cartoons etc., dimensions are described as a parallel universe or another plane of existence.
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I think the Dimension and Higher-Dimensional Manipulation page do its job of explaining the concepts appropriately for the casual reader.
The Tiering system page specifies that we rank according to size in regards to higher dimensions, so that is fine as well.
Personally I think the pages are fine and I believe we didn't have all too many questions in regards of the scientific bits of the system lately.
That said many people here wrote that the pages aren't very good. I didnt quite understand what was the specific point of criticism from the thread, I think (there was a lot of off-topic talk inbetween).
As I understand one of the points was that the pages should be rewritten to explain geometrical dimensions, which is what they currently do as far as I am aware.
So is just specifically writing a seperate sentence that we rank in accordance to size for tiers above High 3-A the wish (in my opinion it is pretty clear from the pages that we do, but if someone thinks otherwise I don't see why not to add it), or something else?
The Tiering system page specifies that we rank according to size in regards to higher dimensions, so that is fine as well.
Personally I think the pages are fine and I believe we didn't have all too many questions in regards of the scientific bits of the system lately.
That said many people here wrote that the pages aren't very good. I didnt quite understand what was the specific point of criticism from the thread, I think (there was a lot of off-topic talk inbetween).
As I understand one of the points was that the pages should be rewritten to explain geometrical dimensions, which is what they currently do as far as I am aware.
So is just specifically writing a seperate sentence that we rank in accordance to size for tiers above High 3-A the wish (in my opinion it is pretty clear from the pages that we do, but if someone thinks otherwise I don't see why not to add it), or something else?
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