Shulk vs Zeus (Saint Seiya) - 2-A Non-Smurf 5th spot Challenge

[TheUnshakableOne]

Shulk (2-A Shulk)

Shulk

Why should we care? What's important isn't whether you can see the future or not. It's the will to make a choice, and the strength to seize your destiny! Our time has come. Our destiny is our own! Shulk to Zanza Shulk (シュルク) is the main protagonist of Xenoblade Chronicles. He likes to think...

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Zeus

Zeus (Saint Seiya)

Zeus, the Sovereign of the Heavens (天帝ゼウス; Tentei Zeusu; Ο Θεός Ζευς), God of the Skies and Lightning, is the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, The Sacred Emperor of the Heavens and the King of the Olympian Deities. He has never been directly shown on screen in the whole of the Saint Seiya...

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1.) Speed Equalized


2.) Speed unequalized

obviously SBA rules lol

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The Votes

Shulk:

Zeus:

Incon:

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Zeus has passive

Sense, Perception Manipulation Mind Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Life Manipulation, Statistics Reduction, and Heat Manipulation + Passive Attack Reflection

+ Mid Godly regen and various immortalities

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What does Shulk lead with? + I don't see resistance to Extreme Heat, Sense, and Perception Manipulation.

How good is his matter manipulation resistance?

What is shulks answer to attack reflection?

Can Shulk affect Abstract concepts?

Does he have resistance to Void Manipulation?

 

[StekFence]

Shulk seems to resist attack reflect.

 

[StekFence]

Also, speed unequal is a incredible blitz.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Shulk seems to resist attack reflect.

I must have not seen it i did go over the profile really fast

 

[StekFence]

He also can’t be one shot. Any attack that would kill him just leaves him with one hp

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

He also can’t be one shot. Any attack that would kill him just leaves him with one hp

i feel like that could fall into NLF territory especially with Void Manipulation/Existence Erasure

But the passive disabling of the senses could count as an incap

or if neither can get an effective win through incap, or kill then its an incon

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Bejesus that Zeus profile is awful. I've mentioned this is other threads but please do not use Xenoblade characters, I've been working on a CRT that'll be done and posted decently soon which will be giving a massive buff to characters. This affects Shulk since Alvis (who is listed as standard equipment for Shulk due to being the Monado 3) being one character who is gaining a ton of hax, immortality, etc.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Bejesus that Zeus profile is awful. I've mentioned this is other threads but please do not use Xenoblade characters, I've been working on a CRT that'll be done and posted decently soon which will be giving a massive buff to characters. This affects Shulk since Alvis (who is listed as standard equipment for Shulk due to being the Monado 3) being one character who is gaining a ton of hax, immortality, etc.

Ah okay I didn't know that..

so shulk shouldn't be used for the Top strongest 2-A non-smurf then? He can be scratched off the list?

 

[StekFence]

That’s that then ig

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Ah okay I didn't know that..

so shulk shouldn't be used for the Top strongest 2-A non-smurf then? He can be scratched off the list?

I'd say to put this on hold until both Zeus and Shulk both receive their CRTs. Plus from what I remember characters can still remain on the top strongest despite CRT hell (looking at Giygas here).

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I'd say to put this on hold until both Zeus and Shulk both receive their CRTs. Plus from what I remember characters can still remain on the top strongest despite CRT hell (looking at Giygas here).

does that mean we can continue the match with the profiles as they are?

 

[JoshSSJGod]

does that mean we can continue the match with the profiles as they are?

No, it means that all matches involving these characters will be put on hold until the CRT is finished. Plus that Zeus profile is too vague with crucial abilities (e.g not listing what type of Conceptual, Acausality and Abstract Existence he has) to actually get an accurate debate out of.

 

[Livinmeme]

No, it means that all matches involving these characters will be put on hold until the CRT is finished. Plus that Zeus profile is too vague with crucial abilities (e.g not listing what type of Conceptual, Acausality and Abstract Existence he has) to actually get an accurate debate out of.

zeus is getting a big update with CM 2 And other thing that i cant renember

 

[JoshSSJGod]

zeus is getting a big update with CM 2 And other thing that i cant renember

Thus more reasoning to put this match on hold.

 

[Vietthai96]

Wait why Zeus have Abstract

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Wait why Zeus have Abstract

His regen is reliant on type 2 (2-A range) concepts

so type 2 AE

 

[Everything12]

So what is Zeus' current concept type, and I mean their current one, not the definitely-almost-assuredly-to-be-accepted-might-as-well-be-on-the-profile-already one that has yet to be accepted in a CRT.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

So what is Zeus' current concept type, and I mean their current one, not the definitely-almost-assuredly-to-be-accepted-might-as-well-be-on-the-profile-already one that has yet to be accepted in a CRT.

He had it before the conceptual Manipulation revisions (iirc) so no type was ever applied

The same for his acausality

 

[Everything12]

So currently Shulk has Type 8 on a Type 2 Conceptual being, but has a lot of incomplete abilities. Meanwhile, Zeus doesn't have Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation until a CRT clarifies it. This should probably be closed until the profiles are sorted out.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

So currently Shulk has Type 8 on a Type 2 Conceptual being, but has a lot of incomplete abilities. Meanwhile, Zeus doesn't have Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation until a CRT clarifies it. This should probably be closed until the profiles are sorted out.

Can you go ahead and close it please?