Shulk vs. Naruto

[SuperKamiNappa]

Monaldo II Shulk
Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto

Speed Equalized

Who wins and why?

 

[Xanix]

Shulk is almost impossible to beat in a speed equalized battle. Precog, Mon. Arts, etc..

Shulk would only lose if the opponent is a universal+ buster or is omniscient.

 

[Cropfist]

Shulk probably takes this with hax precog and reality warping.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

Shulk is almost impossible to beat in a speed equalized battle. Precog, Mon. Arts, etc..

Shulk would only lose if the opponent is a universal+ buster or is omniscient.

He said Monado 2 Shulk which is moon lvl while Naruto is moon+ And has way better hax from what I seeing..

 

[Xanix]

What's haxier than precog? Aside from the obvious stuff.

 

[Gemmysaur]

What's a counter to precog? Aside from the obvious stuff.

Some characters with great degree of skill can do two or more attacks from different angles without actually commiting to either one. This makes it so if the precog user defends against one way, he's vulnerable to the other.

Ex.

Rujierd (Mushoku Tensei) - Rudeus challenged Rujierd to a mock battle to see how he stands after mastering the Foresight Eye, which true to its name, sees 2 seconds in the future (standard, he can see far more if needed but with consequences). When Rujierd commences attack, Rudeus saw it all before it happened, however, he saw 2 Rujierds overlapping each other, both with different ways of attack. In the end, he got hit in the face regardless of whichever he blocked.

Assassin (Fate Stay Night) - Assassin takes it up to 11 with Tsubame Gaeshi. An attack made from pure skill that slashes 3 times literally at the same time, bordering on True Magic. This makes it so that despite Saber's precog managing to keep her alive, she was still knocked off her feet.


That said, from Shulk's profile, what I see that will cause Naruto trouble is the aura sealing effect which is a pain in the behind in a verse equalization battle, sealing away buffs (idk how it will react to Six Paths Sage Mode which is technically a buff, but is also just a second skin of pure chakra) and precog.

Naruto on the other hand has ghost punches via Sage Mode, Empathic sensing via chakra shroud, mass clones, massive aoe, experience against someone of the same speed but with precog, chakra sensing via Sage Mode and shapeshifting.

Naruto would probably be able to counter aura sealing attacks with empathic sensing since he will be able to tell when Shulk will be feeling confidence in his attack.

How does his precog work?

 

[Yamatohime]

What's haxier than precog? Aside from the obvious stuff.

Something like... Well, like Gae Bolg or Fraga effects?

 

[Xanix]

What's haxier than precog? Aside from the obvious stuff.

Something like... Well, like Gae Bolg or Fraga effects?

What're those?

 

[Xanix]

What's a counter to precog? Aside from the obvious stuff.

Some characters with great degree of skill can do two or more attacks from different angles without actually commiting to either one. This makes it so if the precog user defends against one way, he's vulnerable to the other.
Ex.

Rujierd (Mushoku Tensei) - Rudeus challenged Rujierd to a mock battle to see how he stands after mastering the Foresight Eye, which true to its name, sees 2 seconds in the future (standard, he can see far more if needed but with consequences). When Rujierd commences attack, Rudeus saw it all before it happened, however, he saw 2 Rujierds overlapping each other, both with different ways of attack. In the end, he got hit in the face regardless of whichever he blocked.

Assassin (Fate Stay Night) - Assassin takes it up to 11 with Tsubame Gaeshi. An attack made from pure skill that slashes 3 times literally at the same time, bordering on True Magic. This makes it so that despite Saber's precog managing to keep her alive, she was still knocked off her feet.


That said, from Shulk's profile, what I see that will cause Naruto trouble is the aura sealing effect which is a pain in the behind in a verse equalization battle, sealing away buffs (idk how it will react to Six Paths Sage Mode which is technically a buff, but is also just a second skin of pure chakra) and precog.

Naruto on the other hand has ghost punches via Sage Mode, Empathic sensing via chakra shroud, mass clones, massive aoe, experience against someone of the same speed but with precog, chakra sensing via Sage Mode and shapeshifting.

Naruto would probably be able to counter aura sealing attacks with empathic sensing since he will be able to tell when Shulk will be feeling confidence in his attack.

How does his precog work?

His precog lets him predict the future in a form of a vision, it also tells him how long the cast time is, and what Mon. arts to use. Shulk gains access to mon. arts immediately after seeing a vision,

Let's just assume that all Chakra moves are ether arts, all physical or melee attacks are physical arts, and his trademark moves, a talent art (like rasengan and any other forms of it like rasenshuriken.)

Shulk can completely avoid all of these except for chakra moves, whereas he can only cut its damage in half. That said, I think Shulk wins, but BARELY.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Let's just assume that all Chakra moves are ether arts, all physical or melee attacks are physical arts, and his trademark moves, a talent art (like rasengan and any other forms of it like rasenshuriken.)

Shulk can completely avoid all of these except for chakra moves, whereas he can only cut its damage in half. That said, I think Shulk wins, but BARELY.

If we go by what you said then I'd be voting for Naruto by virtue of being the chakra embodiment of MORE DAKKA. Shulk can cut the damage all he can but Naruto can spam it with the best of them.

On that note, why does Shulk not have precog the same way for ether arts as they are for the rest?

 

[Gemmysaur]

Something like... Well, like Gae Bolg or Fraga effects?

What're those?
Gae Bolg reverses casuality when activated as a melee stabbing weapon. It doesn't matter if you could see the future if the weapon's power is that it "is stabbed into your heart, therefore it will hit".

Fragarach on the other hand requires the opponent to use its strongest attack or whatever trump card and Fragarach has to be activated afterwards. This weapon makes it so it warps reality to hit the opponent first before its user is hit, regardless of the opposing attack's speed. It's rather crappy since it only gives a double KO at best, unless the user has regen or a way to mitigate or dodge the damage the opponent's strongest attack will do.

 

[Xanix]

Let's just assume that all Chakra moves are ether arts, all physical or melee attacks are physical arts, and his trademark moves, a talent art (like rasengan and any other forms of it like rasenshuriken.)

Shulk can completely avoid all of these except for chakra moves, whereas he can only cut its damage in half. That said, I think Shulk wins, but BARELY.

If we go by what you said then I'd be voting for Naruto by virtue of being the chakra embodiment of MORE DAKKA. Shulk can cut the damage all he can but Naruto can spam it with the best of them.
On that note, why does Shulk not have precog the same way for ether arts as they are for the rest?

Because Shulk's only Ether blocking Mon. art, Mon. Armour, only cuts ether based arts' damage, and since I'm an idiot, I got it's damage reduction wrong, it's actually 3/4th damage decrease from the original damage. Also, isn't Six Paths Sage Mode technically some sort of aura, transformation, etc. that gives him buffs?

 

[Xanix]

Something like... Well, like Gae Bolg or Fraga effects?

What're those?

Gae Bolg reverses casuality when activated as a melee stabbing weapon. It doesn't matter if you could see the future if the weapon's power is that it "is stabbed into your heart, therefore it will hit".
Fragarach on the other hand requires the opponent to use its strongest attack or whatever trump card and Fragarach has to be activated afterwards. This weapon makes it so it warps reality to hit the opponent first before its user is hit, regardless of the opposing attack's speed. It's rather crappy since it only gives a double KO at best, unless the user has regen or a way to mitigate or dodge the damage the opponent's strongest attack will do.

Eh? Shulk doesn't particularly have some sort of trump card move.

The Gae Bolg effect would just make an endless loop then. Shulk will keep getting visions, counter it with Mon. arts, and the Gae Bolg will keep trying to do what is destined.

Also, isn't Gae Bolg some sort of legendary spear?

 

[Gemmysaur]

The Gae Bolg effect would just make an endless loop then. Shulk will keep getting visions, counter it with Mon. arts, and the Gae Bolg will keep trying to do what is destined.

Also, isn't Gae Bolg some sort of legendary spear?

Gae Bolg, once activated has already hit the heart despite not being thrusted yet, so the spear will hit regardless of what Shulk does. It reverses casuality, meaning "the heart is pierced, so, the spear must've hit."

And yes, yes it is. Cu Chulainn's (or Scathach's) to be exact.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Because Shulk's only Ether blocking Mon. art, Mon. Armour, only cuts ether based arts' damage, and since I'm an idiot, I got it's damage reduction wrong, it's actually 3/4th damage decrease from the original damage. Also, isn't Six Paths Sage Mode technically some sort of aura, transformation, etc. that gives him buffs?

So, the damage he recieves is only 1/4 the original right? I see. Yes, Six Paths mode is a transformation, an aura, a buff and a second skin. If we count chakra moves like Six Paths as ether-based due to verse equalization, that'd mean that Shulk has a way to turn it off right? How far distance can his buff-sealing work?

Because Naruto has empathic sensing which will allow him to guess Shulk's plan to an extent, ghost punches via Sage Mode, clone gang bang and the range game via MORE DAKKA. Even if it'd only do 1/4 its original damage, massive aoe and ridiculous spammability makes it so Naruto can fling around 40 times as much or something.

Then there's Gudodama, which ignores durability iirc, and would count under ether in a verse equalized battle as well. Naruto can shape that into staffs or whatever weapon, use it as a shield or fling it around as high-speed projectiles.


NOTE:

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[Xanix]

So, the damage he recieves is only 1/4 the original right? I see. Yes, Six Paths mode is a transformation, an aura, a buff and a second skin. If we count chakra moves like Six Paths as ether-based due to verse equalization, that'd mean that Shulk has a way to turn it off right? How far distance can his buff-sealing work?

Because Naruto has empathic sensing which will allow him to guess Shulk's plan to an extent, ghost punches via Sage Mode, clone gang bang and the range game via MORE DAKKA. Even if it'd only do 1/4 its original damage, massive aoe and ridiculous spammability makes it so Naruto can fling around 40 times as much or something.

Then there's Gudodama, which ignores durability iirc, and would count under ether in a verse equalized battle as well. Naruto can shape that into staffs or whatever weapon, use it as a shield or fling it around as high-speed projectiles.


NOTE:

Guys, let's quote only what's relevant to our reply ok, just so we don't flood the thread with walls of text unecessarily. For example, if you quote a comment that quoted your previous comment, remove your previous comment from the said coment that you quoted. If you understood that then good, if not, then I need to work on my english more.

Mon. Purge AKA aura sealing reaches anywhere, tracks, guaranteed hit, and is unblockable, well, atleast if we're going by game physics. It's in the form of some sort of sword shockwave energy thingie. All it takes is one Mon. Purge and Naruto loses Six Sage mode.

How far can Naruto predict? Shulk with Monado II lets him see 120 seconds into the future.

Gudodama is a chakra weapon (ether based) that ignores defence right? Then it must be a talent art of some sort, if it is, then it's something Shulk can reduce to 1 damage.

The one with the buff sealing is Mon. Eater, it removes every buff the opponent has and causes massive bleeding. But I think SPS is just an aura which just has passive buffs, so I think Mon. Eater wouldn't work on it.

Sorry for my bad wording and my Phoenix Wrighting (surprise evidence) though. I tend to forget the abilities of my character, and I only remember when needed, hope you'll bear with me for awhile.

Oh, and Ok.

 

[Gemmysaur]

1. It's in the form of some sort of sword shockwave energy thingie. All it takes is one Mon. Purge and Naruto loses Six Sage mode.

2. How far can Naruto predict? Shulk with Monado II lets him see 120 seconds into the future.

3. Gudodama is a chakra weapon (ether based) that ignores defence right? Then it must be a talent art of some sort, if it is, then it's something Shulk can reduce to 1 damage.

4. The one with the buff sealing is Mon. Eater, it removes every buff the opponent has and causes massive bleeding. But I think SPS is just an aura which just has passive buffs, so I think Mon. Eater wouldn't work on it.

1. A shockwave means that it can be evaded by backtracking away from it as it travels. However, in-game, being undodgeable would probably fall under video game mechanic like bullets in a MOBA game. At least, I think it would. We need a mod for this. Anyways, how large is the shockwave? Maybe we can get something from that for now.

2. Naruto doesn't really have precog but more of a pseudo-precog by feeling out the opponent's feelings. Unless Shulk is like Shiba Tatsuya who just doesn't give a flying fluck about everything, his emotions would likely fluctuate a small amount which will give away some things about his movement. Naruto's Empathic sensing via Kurama makes it so. Else, Sage mode grants sensing of energies but I'm guessing Shulk is a rather straightforward fighter and doesn't rely on tricks like hiding, or has abilities like teleportation or invisibility am I right? So Sage sensing wouldn't be as big a boon here as it should be. It would be useful to tell what Shulk will be doing since sudden rise in energy would indicate an attack of some sort.

3. Yes, Gudodama (Truth-seeking Ball or TSB) is a chakra ball that ignores defense. Any reason in particular though that Gudodama's damage will be reduced to 1 while other chakra/ether techniques are reduced to 1/4? Or is this one of those mistaken info and you are correcting? Just asking though to clarify.

4. Does Mon. Eater only turn off the buff or does it lock it down so it can't be used? If it's the former, Naruto can just turn it on again even if he gets surprised the first time it happens. If it's the latter, then he is screwed. Then again, it depends on our verse equalization interpretation as Six Paths is a buff, an aura and a myriad of other things in one as I said before.

Go ahead, add as much as you can remember, just so we can clarify info and make a better judgement of the fight. Shulk's profile is rather poorly done at the moment imo since these things you said are not really mentioned anywhere (or I might've missed it).

 

[Xanix]

1. A shockwave means that it can be evaded by backtracking away from it as it travels. However, in-game, being undodgeable would probably fall under video game mechanic like bullets in a MOBA game. At least, I think it would. We need a mod for this. Anyways, how large is the shockwave? Maybe we can get something from that for now.

2. Naruto doesn't really have precog but more of a pseudo-precog by feeling out the opponent's feelings. Unless Shulk is like Shiba Tatsuya who just doesn't give a flying fluck about everything, his emotions would likely fluctuate a small amount which will give away some things about his movement. Naruto's Empathic sensing via Kurama makes it so. Else, Sage mode grants sensing of energies but I'm guessing Shulk is a rather straightforward fighter and doesn't rely on tricks like hiding, or has abilities like teleportation or invisibility am I right? So Sage sensing wouldn't be as big a boon here as it should be. It would be useful to tell what Shulk will be doing since sudden rise in energy would indicate an attack of some sort.

3. Yes, Gudodama (Truth-seeking Ball or TSB) is a chakra ball that ignores defense. Any reason in particular though that Gudodama's damage will be reduced to 1 while other chakra/ether techniques are reduced to 1/4? Or is this one of those mistaken info and you are correcting? Just asking though to clarify.

4. Does Mon. Eater only turn off the buff or does it lock it down so it can't be used? If it's the former, Naruto can just turn it on again even if he gets surprised the first time it happens. If it's the latter, then he is screwed. Then again, it depends on our verse equalization interpretation as Six Paths is a buff, an aura and a myriad of other things in one as I said before.

Go ahead, add as much as you can remember, just so we can clarify info and make a better judgement of the fight. Shulk's profile is rather poorly done at the moment imo since these things you said are not really mentioned anywhere (or I might've missed it).

1. Actually, I can confirm Mon. Purge is a sure hit now. Mon. Purge can hit Telethia, they are creatures that can read an opponent's mind, heck, even Shulk's precog doesn't work on them. Although once Shulk hits them with it, they are unable to read minds for about 15 secs, as their mind read is technically an aura.

2. I think its answered in my no.1 explanation.

3. In Xenoblade, if the move is both undodgeable and unblockable, it's considered a talent art. It can also be considered a talent art if the move has had improved alot of times during the game. And Mon. Shield can can reduce it's power to 1 damage. Unless Gudodama is dodgeable, if so, Shulk can just use Mon. Speed and dodge it. Ether arts are Shulk's only weakness. Also, Shulk can hide if things get dangerous, although this is more to the player's choice.

4. Mon. Eater removes buffs for 20 secs, and is also undodgeable as it hits Telethia even with mind read. 20 secs is plenty of time right? But Mon. Eater won't remove SPS mode as SPS is an aura rather than a buff.

The Monado II cuts through skin with ease, and can cut through Robots like butter, quite literally.

All of his Mon. Arts are;

Buster: Enlarges his sword and slashes with it, during this, his power increases, but only with this single slash.

Enchant: Boosts power for minutes, although a VERY minor boost

Shield: All talent arts are reduced to 1 damage.

Speed: Boosts speed. Although, this doesn't boost his running speed, only boost reaction and reflexes, I think.

Purge: Removes and Disables auras for some duration.

Cyclone: Makes opponents trip. And they can't stand up for quite some time. Needs to "break" opponents though.(I think break is some sort of weakening) but i think this is useless in this fight.

Eater: Removes and Disables auras for some duration.

Armour: Reduces both Physical and Ether arts' damage.

There are some other arts Shulk has, but none of them are notable enough to mention, except for his heal art, which he can use to heal himself.

I think I covered enough to shed some light...?

 

[Lasatar]

You got a few things mixed up. Monado Cyclone is perfectly viable in this fight. Shulk has not one, but three different Break arts. These being Stream Edge, Air Slash, and Turn Strike. He also has Shaker Edge, which will daze a toppled target. Eater also removes Buffs, not auras, and it doesn't disable future ones, it just removes the current ones. The reason why Purge is undodgeable is because it's an Ether type attack. In fact, all Monado Arts except Buster are Ether type. One more thing; The damage boost for Enchant is better than you might think.

And I think that's it.

 

[Xanix]

So um... I think I'm going with Shulk.

 

[Lasatar]

Oh, I forgot to mention, Shulk can lower an enemy's durability for a short time with Slit Edge. He can also lower their speed with Air Slash.

 

[Xanix]

Does speed reduction count in speed equalized battles?

 

[Lasatar]

No idea. To be more specific, it's a status ailment called "Slow", which will reduce movement speed and attack speed, and lengthen ability cooldowns.

 

[Xanix]

I think movement speed shouldn't count. Attack speed and cooldowns are good though.

 

[Lasatar]

K, so it looks like there are no further objections. This means that Shulk is the Winner.

 

[Xanix]

Is this a notable victory or nah...?

 

[Lasatar]

well, according to the rules, a fight needs 7 or more votes in favour of one party for it to be listed in their victory section. That means we still need some more votes.

 

[Xanix]

That's sad because Shulk isn't a very well known character. Well... should this be closed?

 

[Lasatar]

nah, we'll just wait around I suppose. Or you could ask the mods if you wanted.

 

[Xanix]

We'll wait until somebody objects, I'll keep bumping this article lol.

 

[Lasatar]

Yep, but no matter their objection, it's nothing Shulk can't counter himself. This brings back memories of when I would do wall-of-text arguments for exactly why Shulk (or other characters) would beat the opponent. I did one not too long ago with Monster Hunter vs Bloodborne Hunter (until BB got buffed and the fight got closed).

 

[Xanix]

lol.

Bump

 

[Wingding341]

Shulk probably wins with precog and arts hax.

 

[LTB2000]

Can someone tell me how many attacks can shulk seal in a single fight? Other than that, I think shulk wins this since naruto isn't good at making brand new techniques, and only make a variety of rasengans.

 

[Xanix]

Huh? Shulk doesn't seal attacks. You mean counter it?

 

[LTB2000]

No, it says in his profile that he can seal an attack from an opponent.

 

[Xanix]

Incorrect info. He protects/dodges/shields againts attack. He can remove/seal auras and buffs tho. For 20 and 15 secs.

Anyway, he can deal with every attack naruto can do all at the same time.

 

[Akiretsu]

Is this Match even Balanced considering Shulks Hax?

 

[Lasatar]

Actually, Monado Purge inflicts Arts Seal. That will seal all special moves, but Talent Arts aren't affected. This is where the "sealing" info comes from.

 

[Xanix]

No it doesn't. It inflicts aura seal, not arts seal.