Should the yield of simultaneous explosions (close to each other), scale to a character.

[Keeweed]

So currently I know we don’t treat it this way despite calc members agreeing with a Rwby calc we should do it this way, so let’s make it an official rule / ruling. Should two explosives, preferably like next to each other, exploding simultaneous have their energy combined for the yield the character scales to. Like if a box of grenades instantly all detonates in a characters face. I think I know what the answer will be, but I want it to be officially put down here rather than being from person to person.

 

[Dalesean027]

Context is always important in cases like this, in the case presented above the discussion is about the yield of one suitcase of explosives being rated as 8-A in explosives yield when the case contains 27~36 explosives with only 9 of them being used to give the suitcase of explosives a combined yield of 8-A

I've explained myself that this it how explosives work and that if I've got ten 20 gram explosives in one small suitcase and I blow it up that's gonna explode with the equivalent of 200gram explosive. they aren't like separated from each other by like a meter or anything, its like a regular suitcase and they're probably 20cm away from each other tops with a case full of like 27~36 explosives and we're only accounting for 9 of them in this small case exploding

 

[Keeweed]

Yeah I was trying to make it clear the explosives should be stupidly close. I don’t mean for like distance, so purely for if the explosives are like touching each other, pretty much the queen lancer feat to a tee, what does our calc members think. I want other to comment their opinions. So to clarify, like optimal conditions, should the two explosions scale? I want to focus on that part.

 

[Dalesean027]

@Antvasima need some CGM opinions here

 

[Antvasima]

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Are any of you willing to help out here?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Yeah, if it's like a pile of chemical explosives (or similar) then combining the yield is fine (outside of extreme circumstances). Anything else would run into subdivision arguments (a stick of dynamite exploding is just two half sticks of dynamite exploding).

This of course doesn't impact the general considerations regarding attack combinations.

 

[Spinoirr]

Yeah, if it's like a pile of chemical explosives (or similar) then combining the yield is fine (outside of extreme circumstances). Anything else would run into subdivision arguments (a stick of dynamite exploding is just two half sticks of dynamite exploding).

This of course doesn't impact the general considerations regarding attack combinations.

Ywag It's like a multiple sticks of dynamite tied together basically

 

[Flashlight237]

Personally? If the resulting explosion IS the result of all the explosive devices going off at once, then yes, you should 100% calculate the yield of the explosion as the total of said explosives. The reason I say this is the explosion isn't the result of the devices, but rather the materials going off. Five kilograms of TNT in one package is going to be the same as five kilograms of TNT in five 1-kg packages. They're just 5 kg of TNT.

 

[Antvasima]

Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

 

[Keeweed]

Yeah, if it's like a pile of chemical explosives (or similar) then combining the yield is fine (outside of extreme circumstances). Anything else would run into subdivision arguments (a stick of dynamite exploding is just two half sticks of dynamite exploding).

This of course doesn't impact the general considerations regarding attack combinations.

I mean it seems we have two different opinions. One says only chemical explosives the other saying other explosives is fine too.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Do we? I believe everyone was talking about chemical explosives and agreed it works for those.

 

[Keeweed]

No everyone else was referring to explosive in general. Definitely Dalesean027 at least because the main feat that birth this thread wasn’t chemical.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Dalesean027 was talking about explosives in a suitcase and Flashlight about explosive devices and TNT. The way I see it neither said anything about two characters creating an explosion by combining magic or whatever.
But we can wait for them to clarify.

 

[Keeweed]

Does chemical include stuff like gunpowder in what you mean? I thought you would mean like an actual collection of just chemical components. Also the main verse that started this thread was from rwby’s dust so like I guess it’s good to clarify if that would count as supernatural or not for this thread’s decision. Other verses can be worked out too if anyone has other examples. Like what does and doesn’t count more particularly so we can make revisions with this in mind.

 

[Dalesean027]

Does chemical include stuff like gunpowder in what you mean? I thought you would mean like an actual collection of just chemical components.

Yes gunpowder explosives would be chemical explosives

Dalesean027 was talking about explosives in a suitcase and Flashlight about explosive devices and TNT. The way I see it neither said anything about two characters creating an explosion by combining magic or whatever.
But we can wait for them to clarify.

its not combined via magic or anything supernatural or whatever but the original reason for this thread being started was due to RWBY a feat exactly the same as what I described it as before, granted its rwby so instead of a dynamite explosive they used canisters of fire dust which basically act the exact same as just explosives and they have a bunch of these canisters of fire dust packed closely into a case which just explodes as a whole not like individually or anything. Of course the calc isn't taking into account any of the other dust effects we see there that are responsible for like the ice generation or electricity, its just for the actual combined yield of the explosives in there themself

granted the thread was made for originally because of this Keeweed was also still wanting to know the answer for just regular explosives in general as well which we have our answer to now at least for that part so ig it'd just be this really being moreso of what we'd need opinions on more specifically

 

[DontTalkDT]

its not combined via magic or anything supernatural or whatever but the original reason for this thread being started was due to RWBY a feat exactly the same as what I described it as before, granted its rwby so instead of a dynamite explosive they used canisters of fire dust which basically act the exact same as just explosives and they have a bunch of these canisters of fire dust packed closely into a case which just explodes as a whole not like individually or anything. Of course the calc isn't taking into account any of the other dust effects we see there that are responsible for like the ice generation or electricity, its just for the actual combined yield of the explosives in there themself

granted the thread was made for originally because of this Keeweed was also still wanting to know the answer for just regular explosives in general as well which we have our answer to now at least for that part so ig it'd just be this really being moreso of what we'd need opinions on more specifically

Yeah, basically my point. It seems like everyone agreed that exploding chemical explosives like that RWBY thing would work.

When I talk about other combinations, I mean things like Naruto and Boruto combining Rasengans. But as that wasn't the question of the thread, I feel like the OP was answered.

 

[Keeweed]

Ah okay I see I misunderstood your point then. Thanks for making it far clearer for future reference. Rwby’s 8-A feat is good to go then and hopefully others can use this thread as an example of the rule in the future.

 

[Antvasima]

So is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

 

[Dalesean027]

So is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

This can be closed they've answered the question

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so.

Thank you to everybody who helped out here.