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I see, I shall ask Sandman and Matt about it when I have time.
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Should superman be upgraded to universal?
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I agree that DC heroes like Superman shouldn't be upgraded above 4-B. Solar System level is literally the highest they can be while remaining mostly consistent.
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We talk.about consistency but supermans powers do rise as he learned how to control them. Much like how new 52 started with being unable to fly so why dont we look at supermans potential to get stronger.
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But pre-training Superman was notably worse feat wise than post training Superman. So an extra key would just be for a lower tier.
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Learning how to use their powers isn't entirely the same things as growing stronger. Also Superman's power often fluctuates, he goes back and forth from stronger and weaker based on how much solar radiation he has stored up. And to be fair, his portrayals that are lower than 4-B are even more consistent, but we usually pass those as PIS. In fact, that's where all his power comes from is the yellow sun; without yellow or blue stars, Superman would at best be Batman's level.
And while All Star isn't entirely canon, it is branched from the Post-Crisis continuity and a pretty accurate portrayal of Superman's absolute peak. He was to perform super casual Large Star level feats and is stated to be stronger than before, but to an unknown extent. But there's another weakness, spending too much time inside the center of the sun eventually gave him cancer, which in turn supposedly "killed him".
And while All Star isn't entirely canon, it is branched from the Post-Crisis continuity and a pretty accurate portrayal of Superman's absolute peak. He was to perform super casual Large Star level feats and is stated to be stronger than before, but to an unknown extent. But there's another weakness, spending too much time inside the center of the sun eventually gave him cancer, which in turn supposedly "killed him".
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Well, it is in this case. As Superman placed mental limits on all of his abilities. The one single time the mental limits came off before his training was against Doomsday.
> And to be fair, his portrayals that are lower than 4-B are even more consistent, but we usually pass those as PIS
This sentence reads extremly weird to me. Why not just say the site takes his typical higher ends into accout rather than dismiss consistency?
> And to be fair, his portrayals that are lower than 4-B are even more consistent, but we usually pass those as PIS
This sentence reads extremly weird to me. Why not just say the site takes his typical higher ends into accout rather than dismiss consistency?
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It's not dismissing consistency, just that Superman has frequently struggled to do things below Tier 4 before, but that's off topic.
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> It's not dismissing consistency, just that Superman has frequently struggled to do things below Tier 4 before
But that is consistency if ifs frequent. I'm not suggesting a downgrade, I just find your justifications a bit weird since it can be flipped to support Tier 3 or 2 Superman: "And to be fair, his portrayals that are lower than Low 2-C are even more consistent, but we usually pass those as PIS."
Just saying "We take his consistent 4-B higher ends into account" fits better as a reasoning imo.
But that is consistency if ifs frequent. I'm not suggesting a downgrade, I just find your justifications a bit weird since it can be flipped to support Tier 3 or 2 Superman: "And to be fair, his portrayals that are lower than Low 2-C are even more consistent, but we usually pass those as PIS."
Just saying "We take his consistent 4-B higher ends into account" fits better as a reasoning imo.
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We have tried to find a balance between his lower and high end feats. He does have some feats at a 4-B level, which is far higher than his usual displays, but any feats higher than that have been unreliable, outliers, or via standard extremely inconsistent superhero comicbook power-scaling.
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However, as stated by Captain Allen Adam, the computer had infinite memory.Qawsedf234 said:
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Yes, that's why I suggested a detailed blog post for the discussion rule. But anyway, I do think the question on this thread is just about answered, so we could close it. Though Discussion rule could be made as well as a foot note explaining Superman's tier.
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Sorry. Head-glitch on my part. I juggle a lot of different tasks. We should add a discussion rule or a footnote to the Superman (Post-Crisis) page, yes.
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As for the discussion rule, I agree with DDM's suggession. If we want to add a footnote to his page, it can be something like this:
- There are far too many outliers, canonicity issues, and lack of legitimacy for several of Superman's feats. Therefore, after extensive discussions over the years, it has been decided according to power-scaling rules for DC Comics that the most consistent rating for Superman (Post-Crisis) is 4-B.
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Maybe something like this instead?
"After extensive discussions over the years, it has been decided that the most reliable rating for this version of Superman is 4-B. Any feats higher than that have been deemed to be outliers, have canonicity issues, be unreliable, or subject to standard extremely inconsistent superhero comicbook power-scaling."
"After extensive discussions over the years, it has been decided that the most reliable rating for this version of Superman is 4-B. Any feats higher than that have been deemed to be outliers, have canonicity issues, be unreliable, or subject to standard extremely inconsistent superhero comicbook power-scaling."
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That looks quite good.
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Okay, I will do so.
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