Shido vs. Kratos

[Dienomite22]

So he leads with death manipulation here as the others stated above, the death hax doesn't work due to Kratos being resistent/dodging or whatever and Kratos slaps, just like GiverofThePeace said.The votes for Shido can't be valid if they are based on Shido leading with death hax.

 

[Ionliosite]

Shido would still have at least 1 vote because of HyperNepsy, since she gave more reasons other than death hax. The other 2 would likely be invalid tho.

 

[Dienomite22]

Didn't HyperNepsy's reasons come from Shido possibly leading with something else besides death hax and Shido trying something else in case death hax doesn't work? The first part isn't true since we've established that Shido will lead with death hax and the latter is only possible if Kratos doesn't attack Shido which we've established he would.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Hm
After reading his most recent fight in Volume 20, now that he is aware that he has Ain, he firstly use it right of ther batt to surely kill the opponent, Spirits or not so it's probably the things he will do it here, so it's: Death Manipulation, Law Manipulation or Existence Erasure. Pick one, but in the context of Dead battle, he used Death Manipulation. that his opening move.

^

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Can't shido like


Dodge shit with teleportation

Isn't one of his abilities LITERALLY teleportation dodging

People are really assuming he's gonna stand there and let Kratos kill him even though unless Kratos lands a SERIOUS blow (ie not grazing) he'll just heal with Camael

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Still voting Shido via Ain

 

[Dienomite22]

Can't shido like


Dodge shit with teleportation

Isn't one of his abilities LITERALLY teleportation dodging

People are really assuming he's gonna stand there and let Kratos kill him even though unless Kratos lands a SERIOUS blow (ie not grazing) he'll just heal with Camael

Sure but this is God of War Kratos, he has a massive aoe and is more than willing to use hax like pseudo black holes or telekinesis to kill Shido if he decides to do that.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

the assumption then seems to be "Shidou won't do anything after death hax doesn't work and we're going to assume he leads with that because that's the best chance of kratos winning"

 

[Dienomite22]

I literally acknowledge Shido could do something after death hax not working, what are you talking about?

 

[HyperNepsy]

If death hax won't work than shido would try everything else he has, which wouldn't take long. There's Transmutation, sealing, Kurumi's time manip, mind control, Absolute zero, weather manip, Future/fate manip, etc.

Shido can pull off this stuff pretty fast as he has kinda used everything against mio when his stuff wasn't working.

 

[Dienomite22]

Meanwhile Kratos just smacks Shido which is pretty fast as well.Also, He used everything on Mio because he had prior experience with her moments before and was angry.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Kratos FRA.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

If death hax won't work than shido would try everything else he has, which wouldn't take long. There's Transmutation, sealing, Kurumi's time manip, mind control, Absolute zero, weather manip, Future/fate manip, etc.
Shido can pull off this stuff pretty fast as he has kinda used everything against mio when his stuff wasn't working.

You didn't refute my original premise and now you want us to believe that Kratos won't do an attack way before: A. The angel comes out

B. the ray hits him

By the time Shido realizes it doesn't work, Kratos has alraedy done an attack. Also for the hax itself. Kratos resists, time manip, mind control, weather manip is useless, absolute zero has already been explained why it's no longer dura negation + Kratos has resistance to the coldest ice in-verse iirc, Fate Manip just lol, only real threat here is sealing, and I can give an argument for him resisting transmutation since the arms of hades doesn't effect him.

^This mind you is assuming that he'd do this before Kratos smacks him down after getting off the death manip (and that's being nice seeing as how the death manip goes off)

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

the assumption then seems to be "Shidou won't do anything after death hax doesn't work and we're going to assume he leads with that because that's the best chance of kratos winning"

So either you didn't read the thread or you're attempting to strawman the argument, either way this is not the assumption, one of the arguments this entire thread is literally the kratos would be able to get off his hax before the death manip, comes out, hit, etc. So no, no one here remotely implied Shido won't do anything after death hax it's that Kratos has already won before he gets it off/while he gets it off. We went under the assumption that he leads with death hax literally because of what causality explained.

 

[Elizhaa]

Switching my vote to Kratos FRA

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Kratos FRA.

 

[Ionliosite]

Bump

 

[Elizhaa]

The total vote passed the required 7 votes. Grace in a way is over since it was over 24 hours since the last argument.

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[Schnee_One]

Everyone knows this, it's just the OP didn't count the last vote.

 

[Ionliosite]

Oh, I forgot to put it.

 

[Schnee_One]

Me, God, Diemonite, Giver, Elizhaa and Milly voted Kratos so only one is left.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

daddy boi FRA

 

[Ionliosite]

Grace!

 

[Nier_Hitoshura]

I feel bad for Shido as this is his third loss, however, Kratos for reasons above.

 

[Ionliosite]

Shido: "I am already dead".

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

no u

 

[Ionliosite]

Grace ended, this can be closed and added.