Shido vs. Kratos

[HyperNepsy]

Anyone who has power that's not human like shido will consider them like a spirit.

Which in his case, is a threat

 

[Dienomite22]

An angry strong ass and ripped Spartan warrior totally isn't a threat.
Kekeke xD

Not necessarily, I think Shido would believe any of the spirits he's encountered or has are more dangerous than someone who just looks ripped and angry.

 

[Dienomite22]

Shido has resistance to time manipulation iirc but soul manip no. Though shido would probably do anything else before that happens

Shido doesn't have resistance to time manipulation according to his profile.

 

[HyperNepsy]

He resisted Kurumi's time manipulation

 

[HyperNepsy]

Wait nvm that was life

 

[Schnee_One]

An angry strong ass and ripped Spartan warrior totally isn't a threat.

Kekeke xD

To a person who's literally fight off Celestial Spirits in a world were Spirits are literally the only things that are anywhere near that strong?

Suuuuuure.

Context is necessary, Shido isn't going to look at some Cosplayer looking guy and think he's up there with the strongest people.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Anyone who has power that's not human like shido will consider them like a spirit.
Which in his case, is a threat

He wouldn't even know Kratos has powers and assume he's a dude with blades, which a human can have. The reasoning to consider him a spirit doesn't make any sense.

If he can't resist time manip and they're 4 km away then Kratos is going to use time manip get in close and proceed to either one-shot or soul manip.

 

[Ionliosite]

How would Kratos know that Shido doesn't resist time manip?

 

[The_Causality]

Hm

After reading his most recent fight in Volume 20, now that he is aware that he has Ain, he firstly use it right of ther batt to surely kill the opponent, Spirits or not so it's probably the things he will do it here, so it's: Death Manipulation, Law Manipulation or Existence Erasure. Pick one, but in the context of Dead battle, he used Death Manipulation. that his opening move.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Why would he think he resists it whatsoever?

Death Manip won't kill Kratos due to his ressurection. Also how does his moves work, thought based?

 

[The_Causality]

@Giver i didn't say that it should work, i only answered to the great question of what shidou's opening move

To answer your question, Law and EE yes but no for his Death hax, it throw multiple ray of light which kill anything at contact, it's avoidable.

Anyway, Shidou's battles are pretty meh (spirits need more matchup imo) so i'am out of this.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

So the death hax isn't thought based, meaning Kratos with the gap their at time stops then proceeds to one-shot via AP advantange or soul hax. Also Kratos resists death hax now that I think about it regardless so Shido is doubly screwed. Yeah Kratos takes this.

 

[Dienomite22]

This Kratos doesn't have ressurection.

Kratos doesn't need to know Shido doesn't resist Time manipulation, he could just try it to see if it works.Shido has to summon the spirit in order to use those abilities I believe.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

It's been confirmed in GoW 3 he's always had power of hope inside of him.

If he has to summon them then Kratos really just time stops immedieatly, and it's even worse since his opening move is something Kratos resists.

 

[Ionliosite]

Shido has to summon the spirit in order to use those abilities I believe.

Shido needs to summon the Angels to use those powers. Spirit is the name of the users, not the abilities.

 

[Dienomite22]

That's not accepted on his profile and the key in this match up being used is before his interaction with the box, so he only has resurrection and his immortalities in his Power of Hope form.

 

[Elizhaa]

Chain Olympus is only Low 2-C with Zeus Gauntlets otherwise he is Tier 7:

• At least 7-B, likely higher normally. At least 3-A, likely Low 2-C to 2-C with Gauntlet of Zeus

His defence is only Low 2-C with Helios Shield which he doesn't use quickly in characters:

• At least City level, likely highernormally. At least Universe level, likely Universe level+ to Low Multiverse level with Sun Shield (Is the shield used by Helios himself. Contain the Promordial Fire which is stated to be the source of Helios' energy within it)

 

[Ionliosite]

I know almost nothing of GoW so I didn't know about the Helios thing.

 

[Elizhaa]

I know almost nothing of GoW so I didn't know about the Helios thing.

Basically, he is still Tier 7 physically for durability, too; only Low 2-C with the Helios shield which he doesn't used quickly in character.

 

[Ionliosite]

Is Pandora Box better? Or which key do you think will be fair?

 

[Nier_Hitoshura]

As the God of War key would be the most fair. Anything beyond that seems like a mega-stomp for Kratos.

 

[Dienomite22]

Probably as a God of War or Pandora's Box

 

[Ionliosite]

Ok, changed it to God of War. Votes have been reset.

 

[Dienomite22]

I still firmly believe Kratos taps easily here

 

[Ionliosite]

Bump

 

[HyperNepsy]

I still think shidou wins

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Kratos wins for the same reasons I gave above, Shido's opening move is something Kratos resists, Kratos time stops then proceeds to soul manip or one-shot via better AP.

 

[Schnee_One]

I also believe Kratos wins FRA, the AP gap alone and Shido leading with something that's useless against him gives a solid win.

 

[Ionliosite]

Kratos wins for the same reasons I gave above, Shido's opening move is something Kratos resists, Kratos time stops then proceeds to soul manip or one-shot via better AP.

Shido has had like 20 opening moves, which of all of them?

 

[Schnee_One]

I thought Causality said he leads with Death?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Basically, he is still Tier 7 physically for durability, too; only Low 2-C with the Helios shield which he doesn't used quickly in character.

Ummm, I'm pretty sure that shield is always on his arm during cutscenes. I don't see why he shouldn't use it.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Causality said he leads with death, which he resists. Not to mention from what I hear he needs to summon the person first to even use their hax, which Kratos time stops before that happens.

 

[Ionliosite]

I thought Causality said he leads with Death?

The problem with Shido is that he leads with a different thing almost every time. Deathhax is just his newest toy.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

So if it's his newest thing he'd likely lead with that first since that's the usual go to thought process of a MC.

 

[Ionliosite]

I never said he wouldn't lead with deathhax, I was just making fun at the fact Shido has no consistent opening move and you took it seriously.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Looked like you was implying we don't know what he leads with. Don't really know how to tell your intent when you're typing.

 

[HyperNepsy]

I don't think people know Summoning the angel only takes like a second.


Though regardless shido has many different opening moves like loni said.

And with all the different things shido has he can pull it off.

I'm still voting for him

 

[Dienomite22]

Kratos doesn't resist death manipulation and he doesn't have resurrection in this form

 

[HyperNepsy]

And even if he did resist death manip

What scale?


Because shido's death hax is Mio's which Is pretty good.

And shido dosen't summon the person he summons the angel @Giver

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

How good is said death hax? Assuming that he starts with it