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Shanks vs Kaido
- Thread starter FluffyCreatureZ
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Shanks must have already defeated Kaido once because we saw Shanks in Marineford, not Kaido.
If we look at the vol. 14 of the magazine, there are rivals on the cover and inside, and in the part where we are informed about Shanks and Mihawk, it is stated that Mihawk and Shanks are the 2 strongest rivals, that is, Shanks and Mihawk will be stronger than Kaido, which is also mentioned on the cover. Eichiro Oda tells us that Shanks and Mihawk are stronger than Kaido. It is obvious that he did this to show that he is stronger, so I invite those who give it to Kaido to think again.
If we look at the vol. 14 of the magazine, there are rivals on the cover and inside, and in the part where we are informed about Shanks and Mihawk, it is stated that Mihawk and Shanks are the 2 strongest rivals, that is, Shanks and Mihawk will be stronger than Kaido, which is also mentioned on the cover. Eichiro Oda tells us that Shanks and Mihawk are stronger than Kaido. It is obvious that he did this to show that he is stronger, so I invite those who give it to Kaido to think again.
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That was a crew vs crew battle, and the only one we know Kaidou had with him is King.
Mndks
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Why do you think they praise their rivalry with each other and then suddenly switch to other rivals? And here shanks and mihawk are praised, so shanks and mihawk > there must be 2 people left, so a context like 2v2 where they would take everyone doesn't scale for shanks individually, and let's say this argument was completely true (but completely false) it would contradict statements like "kaido's strongest man" "strongest creature" "one on one kaido wins", so this argument is not true due to lack of context
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"In a one-on-one fight, always bet on Kaidou, because he's too chicken-shit to fight fight anyone stronger than him."
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Considering all this, maybe Shanks can win. Are there any more details about the pre-combat thing?
Mndks
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Haha hu that's really funny man, and don't you think the fact that kaido has never lost to anyone in a one on one fight, but has always fought more than one person on his own, doesn't support that?
Mndks
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It's impossible to know which of the shanks or the kaidon has the upper hand in battle.
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Woah this makes it interesting, what is the AP level of the characters on the wiki right now?
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He had to get an assist aganst Oden.
Mndks
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Dude, that was 20 years ago. And just because he beat oden with help doesn't mean you're gonna lose to him one on one.
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In this panel, people talk about it and Shanks is someone who does not prefer to fight, so finding kaido stronger than this panel and people saying is complete nonsense
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Then why did you vote for kaido instead of inconclusive?
Mndks
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Dude, which panel? Kaido is stronger thanks to its expressions and mind-blowing durability. And as far as you know, there's not much action for shanks, who has almost never been seen, so even if shanks is stronger now, there's no way to prove it in feats.
Mndks
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Because my argument is not the war before marineford
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What do you mean?
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You said "Name a 1v1 Kaidou was losing.
He needed someone to distract Oden to bail him out, and he was traumatized about it.
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Isn't that an argument from ignorance fallacy?
Mndks
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Yes, if we only had this panel, it would not be a right judgment to immediately accept it as true because this is the word of random people in the One Piece universe, but when we look at the other statements / actions we have, we see this. We see that they strongly support this statement. And I was wondering why you made a sentence like Shanks doesn't fight?
Did you read why I voted for Kaido? I told Marineford that we had no knowledge of the previous war. Power scales from that battle cannot be given for either character.
This statement was given when we first saw Kaido in the series, that is, 20 years after that war.
It is impossible to prove that Kaido would lose if he fought Oden one on one. He had great respect for Oden's power. this wasn't a trauma
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He had a direct flashback to this scene when Guernica hit Luffy and he freaked out.
Mndks
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Of course not, if so, explain it and just because it's a fallacy doesn't mean the argument is wrong.
Mndks
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Can you give me a chapter, I will check it out
Mndks
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and a panel where oden praises the power of kaido
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Luffy would have lost that clash anyways he was at his limit
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That has nothing to do with what I was saying.
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Oden says "If I can't win, other people can't for a while," how does that make Kaidou stronger?
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Did you read my argument or did one of your friends ask you to say that?
Mndks
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I didn't say kaido>oden because of this panel, you misunderstood me. Only Oden praises Kaido's strength and mentions the possibility of losing to Kaido since the possibility of winning is not certain. There is no kaido>oden or oden>kaido in this panel anyway.
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Mndks
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There is no evidence that they fought one on one in that war. Even if they fought, we have no information on how long they fought in which situation.
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"Why do you have thoughts of your own?" Is all I just heard.
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Yeah, Oden couldn't onetap Kaidou. Both can hurt each other, that doesn't make them even just because the odds aren't 100%.
noninho
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If IC he destroyed Kidd for knowing via kenbunshoku that he's a menace to one of his pals, he would not call them to fight with him against Kaidou, he'd put them strategically to fight the other pirates where he'd know they're not in danger.
Mndks
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There is no way to prove that this applies to that war. Wanoda even makes a sentence like "I don't remember the last time I fought one on one."
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When was this? During the fight where Luffy first met him?
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