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Shadow vs Reimu (0-0-5)

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sanicspood said:
does reimus fate manip bend fate to her victory? if so, do we know if solaris' fate manip does the same thing? because his explanation is vague, he just has fate hax becuz he was stated to
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It doesn't always makes her win, but it's probably due to her opponent being resistant to it or some other factor. Her Fate and Probability Manipulation bends things that the user want if that helps, which in this case beating Shadow, the passive comes from Reimu being lucky.
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
The literal end of time, in Sonic's verse. This would be taking place in the Dream World in Touhou's verse, not really an applicable reason for more rings to appear unless Shadow has the ability to summon more ring boxes into the fight, and rings are typically used more for a gameplay function when it comes to Super Forms in the games, considering Sonic was able to hold his Super Form for around a week iirc in Advance with no sign of collecting more rings. Plus it seems more fair overall as it's both characters would just have to deal with what they immediately have. It's not like Reimu's gonna be getting refills on her Ultramarine Elixir or anything.
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My argument was that super forms seem to be able to summon rings, plus in 06 Shadow can charge up in his super form power even though reality was destroyed
 
I mean, even if they're not a single ring in the Touhou universe, Shadow can just Chaos Control to a place were there are rings, collect enough and come back to keep fighting.
 
Incon FRA, I guess? Plus the ring argument is kinda mute since rings are pretty much standard equipment for all Sonic characters.

Are rings currency? power sources? Mcguffins? All three? Who knows it changes almost every other game lol!

Sonic Vs 2hu MUs are at least fun to debate compared to others.
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Incon FRA, I guess? Plus the ring argument is kinda mute since rings are pretty much standard equipment for all Sonic characters.

Are rings currency? power sources? Mcguffins? All three? Who knows it changes almost every other game lol!

Sonic Vs 2hu MUs are at least fun to debate compared to others.
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Yeah, there's at least a decent amount of haxx trade that could help push them around, and character wise there's fun stuff there too.
 
He can, but Reimu can stay in Fantasy Nature for a very long time as well, she has no reason to ever leave it either. If he has access to more rings, it just means he can prolong the fight for longer. Even without extending his super form they've already shown to be able to last at least a week thanks to Sonic Advance so it was gonna be a long while anyways.
 
OnsokunoSonic said:
So Shadow has to incap Reimu before she went into Fantasy Nature, so Shadow still has his wincon there.
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Fantasy Nature is a near instant activation to my knowledge, so its a very brief and unlikely incon, especially with Reimu's probability manipulation and fate hax to keep her safe from something like that. Not to mention her whole shtick is dodging, it's unlikely a kill shot would get landed in such a brief window.
 
nothing should be stopping her from using her abilities to affect the reality Shadow would be within, as when she's using Fantasy Nature she can still attack with danmaku and the likes.
 
So isn't this a stomp? Shadow wincon is to incap her, when Reimu can activate Fantasy Nature with mere thought.
 
OnsokunoSonic said:
So isn't this a stomp? Shadow wincon is to incap her, when Reimu can activate Fantasy Nature with mere thought.
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That's what i just said, reimu just go fn and she will eventually concept hax shadow, it would only be incon if we just gonna assume that her concept hax suck for some reason?
 
Zephyr_ said:
That's what i just said, reimu just go fn and she will eventually concept hax shadow, it would only be incon if we just gonna assume that her concept hax suck for some reason?
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Too bad her conceptual hax doesn't sux, her conceptual hax should be somewhere around Yukari's level.
 
Does Reimu resist Resistance-Bypassing Time Stop? And even if she does, does her attacks?

Also isn't this woman getting upgraded to Tier 1 soon? I get it, it's hasn't gone through yet so the show may continue, but ffs lol. This shouldn't even be a thing at that rate
 
ShakeResounding said:
Does Reimu resist Resistance-Bypassing Time Stop? And even if she does, does her attacks?

Also isn't this woman getting upgraded to Tier 1 soon? I get it, it's hasn't gone through yet so the show may continue, but ffs lol. This shouldn't even be a thing at that rate
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She float out of reality and resist all touhou hax including time stop of course. I dont think shadow can touch something that is outside of reailty.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Does Reimu resist Resistance-Bypassing Time Stop? And even if she does, does her attacks?

Also isn't this woman getting upgraded to Tier 1 soon? I get it, it's hasn't gone through yet so the show may continue, but ffs lol. This shouldn't even be a thing at that rate
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She should resist it while in FN, I don't think she innates it naturally though, as she's stopped by Sakuya's timestop. But Sakuya's timestop is especially potent and arguably a resistance bypassing timestop in of itself.
 
We have argued up there, that Fantasy Nature is beyond even concepts, Fantasy Nature activation is thought based.
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
as she's stopped by Sakuya's timestop. But Sakuya's timestop is especially potent and arguably a resistance bypassing timestop in of itself.
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Well, she's stated to be unbounded by time, but Sakuya's time stop is very potent just like you said.
 
Well Shadow's Chaos Control should affect Reimu while not in FN because it bypasses resistance just like Sakuya's (and that's only in base, Super Shadow's Chaos Control is magnitudes above that), but it doesn't matter if Reimu used FN first.
 
It is likely for Reimu to use Fantasy Nature due to Fantasy Nature being a Last Word which Touhou character should use if fighting an opponent not under spell card rules.
 
It should also be noted that Reimu's FN is so potent and she used it enough that her best friend, Marisa, had to be the one to make her restrict it to make it functional under spellcard rules, it would likely be one of her immediate first moves in a fight, especially one not under Spell Card Rules.
 
I've been of the opinion that this is an incon that leans more in Reimu's favor in the long term. If Reimu's concept haxx is nearing Yukari's level, then she definitely should bypass Shadow's durability and take him down. For all intents and purposes Shadow is trying to fight an entity he cannot see or even affect while Reimu can just cast as much bullshit as she likes from outside of reality, and if she can just conceptually erase him, then yeah, this is a win in Reimu's favor imo.
 
I also think that if Reimu handily wins against both Sonic and Shadow we should reconsider re-doing her Silver matchup, considering that the reasoning for Silver's win in that debate was based on the pretenses that he could bypass Fantasy Nature for the same reasons Shadow was argued to.
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
I've been of the opinion that this is an incon that leans more in Reimu's favor in the long term. If Reimu's concept haxx is nearing Yukari's level, then she definitely should bypass Shadow's durability and take him down. For all intents and purposes Shadow is trying to fight an entity he cannot see or even affect while Reimu can just cast as much bullshit as she likes from outside of reality, and if she can just conceptually erase him, then yeah, this is a win in Reimu's favor imo.
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Reimu can still summon that one god of boundaries if her concept manipulation isn't strong enough. So meh reimu stomp.
 
So has the opinion shifted to a Reimu win overall? People seem to believe so now.

If this goes thru as a Reimu win I highly suggest the Silver runback
 
Most people seem to agree Reimu on this, we should probably run through and tally the votes to close it soon. I'm leaning to Reimu for my vote.
 
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