Shadow vs Mewtwo

[Theuser789]

Mewtwo doesn't use mind hax in character at the start of a fight, he wouldn't know that Shadow resists it until it's too late, Shadow ends fights quickly

Shadow didn't exploit his weakspots, he beat himself via physical attacks , that's headcanon, if he can beat himself in one time stop then he can beat Mewtwo in one time stop

Shadow will use a time stop the moment that he realises that Mewtwo's power is similar to Silver's

Shadow resists sleep manipulation via the immunity idol

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Mewtwo doesn't use mind hax in character at the start of a fight, he wouldn't know that Shadow resists it until it's too late, Shadow ends fights quickly.

Not if he uses precog. Mewtwo will not purposely use an ineffective move as his starting move if precog blatantly makes him aware that it will not work.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Saying he can beat Mewtwo becuase he beat himself is terrible reasoning. Also, Mewtwo does use mind hax at the beginning of a fight and would immediately know that it isn't working. Mewtwo will then use Miracle Eye to remove Shadow's reistance and then uses his mindhax again. Mewtwo also starts with precog so he knows when Shadow will go for time stop and prevent it.

 

[Theuser789]

How do will all know that he will start with precog? Mewtwo usualy starts with telekenisis

Mewtwo never uses mind hax at the beggining of the fight

Shadow Chaos Control takes two seconds, it's shoter than Mewtwo's mind hax, if he can beat himself in a single time stop then he also can beat someone just as powerful as him in only one

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

He beat someone he could one-shot, not someone as strong as him.

 

[Theuser789]

No, he did not, Infinte's copys are just as strong as the original

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

He beat someone he could one-shot, not someone as strong as him.

He literally one shot himeself

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

He cannot one-shot someone as strong as him. If he one-shot the clone, then that just proves that the clone was weaker than himself.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

If Shadow can one shot himself than Mewtwo who's stronger can do the same without even worrying about hax. That's a double edged sword.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

The replicas Infinite creates, which Shadow one-shotted is said to have powers as formidable as the originals.

 

[Wokistan]

Well in theory people irl could one shot one another with a hard enough blow to vulnerable areas like the neck even if none is particularly stronger than the other. I don't think all the robot shadows are exactly on the level of the real one though.

 

[Theuser789]

Not really, he beat himself in one time stop, he himself says that the copys are as strong as the original

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

But the fact that Shadow himself one-shot his copy literally contradicts that statement.

 

[Wokistan]

With his limiters off he is strong enough to obliterate an army of Mephiles the Dark clones though.

 

[Theuser789]

If Shadow can one shot himself than Mewtwo who's stronger can do the same without even worrying about hax. That's a double edged sword.

Shadow is not a glass canon

He will spam time stop the moment that he realizes that Mewtwo uses telekineses, just like he did with Silver

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Those same copies also beat the crap of Sonic.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

But he never starts with those off. In fact, he generally only takes them off as a last resort.

 

[Wokistan]

I was thinking of the robot shadows in heroes/his own game

As for the Infinite clones, he did get the drop on them and Sonic was being ganged up on. I do think he's probably at least a bit stronger than Sonic in terms of raw strength though.

 

[Theuser789]

But the fact that Shadow himself one-shot his copy literally contradicts that statement.

He says that they are as strong as the original imediately after that cutscene, and that's proven in Metal's and Zavok's boss battles

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@user. You're implying he is though, if he's strong enough o one shot himself. Also, Shadow had a whole fight with Silver prior to using CC though and Silver used TK then. Shadow just hit him over and over.

 

[Modernmyrmidon]

There's no way the copies are as strong as the originals. Remember Classic Sonic literally one-shot the Chaos Clone.

 

[Theuser789]

But he never starts with those off. In fact, he generally only takes them off as a last resort.

Shadow can increase his power with Chaos Boost as well as Hero and Dark mode

 

[Wokistan]

How good's mewtwo's precog? Would it prompt him to immediately open with miracle eye and mindhax to avoid the time stop stuff?

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

If they were as strong as Shadow, then Shadow wouldn't be able to one-shot. And, like Cal said, then Mewtwo should be able to one-shot regardless of his hax.

 

[Theuser789]

There's no way the copies are as strong as the originals. Remember Classic Sonic literally one-shot the Chaos Clone.

The copys were able to harm and beat modern Sonic

 

[Wokistan]

You can one shot people on your level though via certain methods, as I've established above. Durability isn't some monolith, some areas are more vulnerable than others. He had the drop on those copies so I don't see why he can't hit an area conducive to that, and stopping time gives him whatever point of contact he wants. Or just hitting more than one time, though he doesn't leave it stopped forever.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

How good's mewtwo's precog? Would it prompt him to immediately open with miracle eye and mindhax to avoid the time stop stuff?

It should be > normal Pokémon given that Mewtwo's combat capabilities were canonically raised to the highest a Pokémon can have. So if Mewtwo has it, it should be superior to any normal Pokémon.

TL;DR, it's above Xatu, Espeo, Gardevoir, and Gothitelle.

 

[DMB_1]

Infinite's copies are portrayed a bit inconsistently.

Metal Sonic was able to fight off both Sonic and the Avatar, while the others were easily slain by literally everyone else.

 

[Theuser789]

@user. You're implying he is though, if he's strong enough o one shot himself. Also, Shadow had a whole fight with Silver prior to using CC though and Silver used TK then. Shadow just hit him over and over.

Because Shadow was trying to know Silver, here he's going for the kill, he will know to stop time agaisnt a enemy with telekenesis.

Maybe Shadow has the Ap necessary to one-shoot himself and people with similar durability like Mewtwo, there's also Wok comment

 

[Theuser789]

Infinite's copies are portrayed a bit inconsistently.
Metal Sonic was able to fight off both Sonic and the Avatar, while the others were easily slain by literally everyone else.

Zavok could also fight Sonic, and they beat him in the intro, clone Shadow even matches Sonic's hominig attack

 

[DMB_1]

It's impossible for Shadow to one-shot himself with a physical attack.

It's much safer to assume that the close was weaker.

 

[Theuser789]

How good's mewtwo's precog? Would it prompt him to immediately open with miracle eye and mindhax to avoid the time stop stuff?

It should be > normal Pokémon given that Mewtwo's combat capabilities were canonically raised to the highest a Pokémon can have. So if Mewtwo has it, it should be superior to any normal Pokémon.

TL;DR, it's above Xatu, Espeo, Gardevoir, and Gothitelle.

Does Mewtwo start with precog?

 

[Wokistan]

That's not quite AP though. It means he can hit parts of the body that naturally can't take as much force to kill faster, which is a thing literally anyone can do. Time stopping just makes it easier for him.

 

[Theuser789]

That's not quite AP though. It means he can hit parts of the body that naturally can't take as much force to kill faster, which is a thing literally anyone can do. Time stopping just makes it easier for him.

Shadow kicked his clone's neck, he can do the same to Mewtwo

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mewtwo's got two of those tho

In all seriousness, even dis-considering the regen, given Throat Chop is a move Mewtwo can easily survive, a neck kick shouldn't be too serious.

 

[Theuser789]

How?

 

[Theuser789]

Mewtwo's got two of those tho

In all seriousness, even dis-considering the regen, given Throat Chop is a move Mewtwo can easily survive, a neck kick shouldn't be too serious.

Shadow would simply stop time again( which is faster than Mewtwo's hax) and use Chaos Blast

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Has Shadow ever consecutively linked time stops before? Plus doesn't Chaos Blast like...exhaust him?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The replicas Infinite creates, which Shadow one-shotted is said to have powers as formidable as the originals.

As formidable doesnt mean they arent weaker.

 

[Theuser789]

Shadow can spam Chaos Blast in Chaos Boost and Dark mode, Chaos Blast doesn't exhaust him afaik

Chaos Control doesn't have a cool down, Shadow was going to use it again before Silver used his own Chaos Control and then created the time portal