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Shadow vs Mewtwo

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Theuser789 said:
One attack.

Shadow finishs battles as quickly as he can, unlike Dio who gloats, and Dio couldn't use his ice powers before absorving Joseph's blood
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Quick derailing to a finished thread, but this is wrong. Once he left the mansion, he killed Kakyoin in a single timestop, killed Joseph in just a couple of them because Joseph covered himself in hamon which would have oneshotted Dio if he actually tried to punch him, and would have killed Jotaro on his first timestop, too, if Jotaro hadn't tricked him into believing he could move in his stopped time. Dio then got paranoid as he feared Jotaro could catch him off-guard during timestop and heavily injure him if he got close (which actually happened once Dio understood the trick just to find out that Jotaro could move in it regardless). Also, even if freezing didn't work, that's not really the point, as he could have just used mindhax, for example.

Anyway, Mewtwo FRA
 
Shadow is a completely diferent character than Dio, Shadow would finish the battle in a single time stop the moment that he uses telekenisis via experience to that, he already has beatten oponents as strong as himself in a single time stop

Shadow can also boost himself Cal, he can use Chaos Boost, Hero and Dark mode which gives Shadow invunerability and take off his inibitor rings as well

And Chaos Control is faster than any of Mewtwo's hax

If speed was unequal Shadow would 100% wi

Also what I said isn't wrong Triforce, Dio didn't kill Polnareff in the stairs nor did he kill them in his room during the time-stop, simply using it both times to play tricks on them, also he spent a good amount of time monologuing in his stopped time while killing Kakyoin, and he chose a road roller to kill Jotaro instead of something simpler, he also wanted to know how much he could stop time after absorving Joseph's blood so he didn't kill Jotaro when he couldn't move after he wasted his seconds, and he didn't start with a time stop against Jotaro, he first wanted to compare The World with Star Platinum
 
And to add the only mind hax useful of Mewtwo's is mind control, Shadow has fought in Heroes without memory as well as he can, he can fight normaly even without memory, so if Mewtwo takes Shadow's defence but choses to erase his memories instead of mind control that would change nothing in the way Shadow fights, it would be useless
 
Theuser789 said:
And to add the only mind hax useful of Mewtwo's is mind control, Shadow has fought in Heroes without memory as well as he can, he can fight normaly even without memory, so if Mewtwo takes Shadow's defence but choses to erase his memories instead of mind control that would change nothing in the way Shadow fights, it would be useless
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That doesnt mean Shadow will fight as smart or offensively as he can normally does with memories.

Like, Shadow can still physically fight without them, but that doesnt mean he'll know how to use specific abilities that would help him get the edge.
 
He can fight just as well, Heroes proves it, the first thing he does is fight Omega and he can use Chaos Control is the first level, he also fights just as well against Sonic in their fight even without memories.

As I said memory wipe would be useless
 
Theuser789 said:
He can fight just as well, Heroes proves it, the first thing he does is fight Omega and he can use Chaos Control is the first level, he also fights just as well against Sonic in their fight even without memories.
As I said memory wipe would be useless
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And again, this doesnt change what I said.

"Fighting just as well" doesnt mean Shadow will go for specific abilities that would give him the edge or win right away. Him using Chaos Control is not enough of a justification.

Also, how much of Shadows memories were erased when he did this? Because Mewtwo can input fake memories as well.
 
What @Theuser said what I was going to say. Shadow is still a smart combatant even with memory loss. Like he's able to get Rouge out of the way and fight Omega, use Chaos Control and knows how to use it in Seaside Hill, and somehow knows how to use guns and teleportation in his own game where he still had memory loss. Mewtwo erasing his memory would do nothing much but restart Shadow's memory lane in the Adventure games
 
And again, this doesnt change what I said.

"Fighting just as well" doesnt mean Shadow will go for specific abilities that would give him the edge or win right away. Him using Chaos Control is not enough of a justification.

Also, how much of Shadows memories were erased when he did this? Because Mewtwo can input fake memories as well.

All of them, Rouge says that he couldn't renember anything, fake memories wouldn't work, Shadow could fight even with fake memories inserted by Black Doom and Gerald, especialy Shadow post his own game when he doesn't have any doubt or cares about his past
 
Even disregarding Safeguard, Distracted seems like just a concussion given getting hit too hard is POW moves or regular attacks can cause it.
 
From what I recall, Shadow was never shown fresh out of a mind wipe and there was always some time that passed offscreen for him to know some basic stuff. You don't see Shadow the second he got his memory wiped and he's still a badass fighter. There's always some time that passed.
 
Theuser789 said:
fake memories wouldn't work, Shadow could fight even with fake memories inserted by Black Doom and Gerald, especialy Shadow post his own game when he doesn't have any doubt or cares about his past
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Fake memories like, say, making Shadow believe his enemies are his allies?
 
The real cal howard said:
From what I recall, Shadow was never shown fresh out of a mind wipe and there was always some time that passed offscreen for him to know some basic stuff. You don't see Shadow the second he got his memory wiped and he's still a badass fighter. There's always some time that passed.
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Team Dark's opening, Shadow imediately after being awakened with no memory fought against Omega, there's no time Skip, he was asleep the entire time

Exactaly like that Kukui
 
Does Heroes take place immediately after SA2? Actual question. Like, does the game's events happen immediately after Shadow nearly dies in SA2?
 
No, but Shadow wasn't conscious during that time, he was asleep in a capsule, Heroes is the first time he's awake, Rouge says that he can't renember anything
 
Okay. I was just curious. I had nothing leading to that.

Anyway, if Shadow was still capable of his combat skills, it just means that losing his memory didn't get rid of the basics, not that mindwipe would be useless. Because mindwipe is just that. A wipe. Shadow forgot who we was, but not how to fight. Mewtwo'd get rid of everything.
 
Or that Shadow's combat skills are instinct to him, Shadow couldn't renember anything, Shadow didn't renember a single thing in Heroes, none.

He forgot everything Cal, Occam's razor, you are over analizantig this, Shadow can simply fight without knowing everything
 
Not in Heroes opening cutscene, only in his own game which takes place after that, Rouge says he doesn't renember anything.

Also Mewtwo's mind wipe isn't everything, people still know how to breathe or blink for example
 
Theuser789 said:
Also Mewtwo's mind wipe isn't everything, people still know how to breathe or blink for example
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People dont need to know how to blink or breathe, that is an instinct.

Unless your saying a new born baby has a memory of breathing?
 
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