Settling Twitter's Debate | Kratos vs Sun Wukong

[RanaProGamer]

Well, you've seen the tweets, it's time to settle this VSBW style

Standard Battle Assumptions

Speed equalized

4-A Versions

1-C is restricted but Low 1-C is allowed

Demigod Kratos vs Great Sage Wukong

Who wins and why?

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

So Kratos has nothing against Type 5 immortality and Invulnerability other then soul based powers, and no answer to info based abilities.

If Sun becomes Low-1C through size then Kratos is ******.

Sun has no answer to conceptual power null from Zeus's Fury, conceptual and probability destruction/Deconstruction/Transmutation from Hades's magic or Poseidon's Rage.

I guess it comes down to whoever decides to use the appropriate power, which I think would be Kratos given his info analysis and ability to find enemy weaknesses with the Amulet of Uroboros. There's also the question if Wu can ressurect.

I'll wait to hear more info about Wu before judging tho.

 

[Robo432343]

Can’t Wukong just dodge Kratos’ conceptual stuff

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Can’t Wukong just dodge Kratos’ conceptual stuff

They're equally as fast as each other, no?

 

[ShionAH]

They're equally as fast as each other, no?

"Infact he is so well versed in Martial Art's that he could fight an exact clone of himself to a draw, that clone had precognition while also instantly knowing about any event that occurs within thousands of miles of themselves."

Is what they mean I think, I know Kratos has a similar feat but his clones were weaker than him.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

"Infact he is so well versed in Martial Art's that he could fight an exact clone of himself to a draw, that clone had precognition while also instantly knowing about any event that occurs within thousands of miles of themselves."

Is what they mean I think, I know Kratos has a similar feat but his clones were weaker than him.

The clones Kratos fought are directly stated to be stronger then him tho

They don't have precog admittedly

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Is what they mean I think, I know Kratos has a similar feat but his clones were weaker than him.

Just gonna correct this. Those clones were stronger, faster, more agile, and considerably more bloodlusted than him

 

[ShionAH]

The clones Kratos fought are directly stated to be stronger then him tho

Those clones were stronger, faster, more agile, and considerably more bloodlusted than him

Yeah but they were less skilled than Kratos, unlike in Wukongs situation

I am pretty sure Wukongs situation is much much more impressive since its entirely possible Kratos won by having better skill

Atleats thats my two cents on it

Edit: This answers your commen too

"Kratos' clones were verbatim stated to be stronger and faster. He fought several of himself at the same time and won."

 

[Planck69]

"Infact he is so well versed in Martial Art's that he could fight an exact clone of himself to a draw, that clone had precognition while also instantly knowing about any event that occurs within thousands of miles of themselves."

Is what they mean I think, I know Kratos has a similar feat but his clones were weaker than him.

Kratos' clones were verbatim stated to be stronger and faster. He fought several of himself at the same time and won.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Yeah but they were less skilled than Kratos, unlike in Wukongs situation

Doesn't detract from what I said. Kratos fought a bunch of stronger and faster clones of himself at the same time and won

 

[ShionAH]

Kratos was at a stat disadvantage against a bunch of clones and still won

Way less impressive since we literally know that the clones have shitty ass combat skills

While Wukong fought an exact clone with same abilities, stats and skills as him who also had precognition to see all of Wukongs moves yet it lost

I personally think thats more impressive.

 

[Planck69]

Way less impressive since we literally know that the clones have shitty ass combat skills

While Wukong fought an exact clone with same abilities, stats and skills as him who also had precognition to see all of Wukongs moves yet it lost

I personally think thats more impressive.

I feel the fact that fights dozens at a time massively offsets that. This is less a pure skill matter and more so the fact that Kratos can tag and kill multiple faster opponents simultaneously.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Way less impressive since we literally know that the clones have shitty ass combat skills

While Wukong fought an exact clone with same abilities, stats and skills as him who also had precognition to see all of Wukongs moves yet it lost

I personally think thats more impressive.

Kratos also fought Ares, a guy who absorbed all of his powers, gets passively stronger and more skilled and has knowledge of conflict across space-time.

Regardless, I don't think this is a skill battle, it's more of what will catch you

 

[ShionAH]

I feel the fact that fights dozens at a time massively offsets that.

It really doesn't, a skilled martial artist could definitely beat several bigger guys. Especially when the said bigger guys have specifically shitty skills and all they do is randomly throw punches.

Kratos also fought Ares, a guy who absorbed all of his powers, gets passively stronger and more skilled and has knowledge of conflict across space-time.

Having knowledge on conflict and wars doesn't mean you can punch good tbh, he is also listed as Gifted in combat so I dont think he is impressive.

Anyways Idk about Wukong so I cannot say much but his profile looks more impressive skill wise

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Having knowledge on conflict and wars doesn't mean you can punch good tbh, he is also listed as Gifted in combat so I dont think he is impressive.

Anyways Idk about Wukong so I cannot say much but his profile looks more impressive skill wise

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion.

But again, I don't think this is a skill fight.

 

[Dammerung0858]

It really doesn't, a skilled martial artist could definitely beat several bigger guys. Especially when the said bigger guys have specifically shitty skills and all they do is randomly throw punches.

Having knowledge on conflict and wars doesn't mean you can punch good tbh, he is also listed as Gifted in combat so I dont think he is impressive.

Anyways Idk about Wukong so I cannot say much but his profile looks more impressive skill wise

One of the big things Wukong can do in the game is the spell Pluck of Many, which creates numerous clones of him which can unleash basic combos

Spoiler: (I'm not sure if you want to be spoiled, this comes later in the game)

(although I think you can eventually level it up to the point where they can use some spells?)

, so at the very least, from the information about Kratos taking on numerous fresh clones of himself who were single-minded and not as skilled, it wouldn't come down to The Destined One just Pluck of Many'ing him into oblivion. As long as they're relatively close in skill, Kratos can navigate around them, especially because they can't take a ton of damage and will disappear after a short amount of time.

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion.

But again, I don't think this is a skill fight.

I'd have to agree with this. Even with their skills equalized, Kratos can do just about everything The Destined One can do (except for making clones of himself) and more besides. Heck, Kratos could literally alter his armor set after every strike to min/max poison damage, stack bifrost, absorb rage/HP... I can't really see Kratos losing this one.

 

[Planck69]

One of the big things Wukong can do in the game is the spell Pluck of Many, which creates numerous clones of him which can unleash basic combos

Spoiler: (I'm not sure if you want to be spoiled, this comes later in the game)

(although I think you can eventually level it up to the point where they can use some spells?)

, so at the very least, from the information about Kratos taking on numerous fresh clones of himself who were single-minded and not as skilled, it wouldn't come down to The Destined One just Pluck of Many'ing him into oblivion. As long as they're relatively close in skill, Kratos can navigate around them, especially because they can't take a ton of damage and will disappear after a short amount of time.

I'd have to agree with this. Even with their skills equalized, Kratos can do just about everything The Destined One can do (except for making clones of himself) and more besides. Heck, Kratos could literally alter his armor set after every strike to min/max poison damage, stack bifrost, absorb rage/HP... I can't really see Kratos losing this one.

This is Demigod Kratos actually, he can't do the armour stuff in this key.

 

[Dammerung0858]

This is Demigod Kratos actually, he can't do the armour stuff in this key.

Ah, darn! My apologies to you and Shion, it's been a long day, and I'm always too excited to talk about the armor stuff.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Bumbo

 

[Spicy78]

this is actually getting discussed??? shit, i REALLY wanted to make matchup for weeks but i was afraid of making it in case this it would end up as a stomp

imo, at first glance kratos should take this. as planck said, i this seems to be less of a skill match and more of who has the better arsenal and who can use it in a better way (which, afaik, kratos does and it's not even close). kratos has experience in handling clones that are literally superior than him in every single aspect (except skill-wise), so even if sun wukong's clones are actually skilled in combat, i think both cases cancel each other out and kratos could handle wukong's clone spamming relatively fine

i won't get ahead of myself and vote tho. i'm now knowledgeable on sun wukong and i really want to see this discussed further

 

[MadeByZiggy]

I'll wait for more Kratos points.
Based off his profile alone it looks like he outhaxes.

 

[MadeByZiggy]

Way less impressive since we literally know that the clones have shitty ass combat skills

While Wukong fought an exact clone with same abilities, stats and skills as him who also had precognition to see all of Wukongs moves yet it lost

I personally think thats more impressive.

He stalemated his clone.
he didn’t beat him. The Macaque

 

[Robo432343]

it depends how quickly Wukong becomes Low 1-C through size and if its a common move for him to do that

 

[Apotheosis69]

Inb4 Wukong eventually gets so unfathomably buffed...

 

[Huesito88]

Inb4 Wukong eventually gets so unfathomably buffed...

He will definitely just not anytime soon at all

 

[Spicy78]

bruh this matchup was so good, what happened? bump

 

[Catbowtie]

I can't believe I fell for the Sun Wukong Propaganda. Voting Kratos because of @Dammerung0858's reasons.

 

[Planck69]

Not much changed beyond Kratos getting Analytical Prediction for this key. Anything new for Wukong?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Sūn Wùkōng won't have anything for a while before JTTW's revision by Udl and I.

His page is terribly outdated, it ain't even funny. This thread honestly should be closed, cus when Wùkōng gets updated. It will be beyond a stomp.

 

[Spicy78]

Sūn Wùkōng won't have anything for a while before JTTW's revision by Udl and I.

His page is terribly outdated, it ain't even funny. This thread honestly should be closed, cus when Wùkōng gets updated. It will be beyond a stomp.

would POH kratos even have a chance?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Just... No lol

Me and Udl wholeheartedly believe Great Sage Wùkōng will be 1-A minimum

 

[Apotheosis69]

Actually scratch that, even Post-Buddha sealing Wùkōng is still 1-A.

Cus the Tao alone in JTTW, is actually ridiculous

 

[Spicy78]

Just... No lol

Me and Udl wholeheartedly believe Great Sage Wùkōng will be 1-A minimum

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO i guess twitter was right lol. will he get any new abilites/haxes?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Oh boy, you have no idea

 

[noninho]

China>>>>>Greece

 

[Planck69]

I'll close this then, if the page is outdated.