Seth vs Genos (Radiant vs OPM)

[XDragnoir]

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This is War Arc Seth vs Post-G4 Genos

Speed equal, fight takes place where Saitama and Genos fought, fight starts at 50m

Votes:

Seth:
Genos:
Incon:

 

[Kachon123]

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[LIFE_OF_KING]

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[XDragnoir]

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Yeah, pure sadness.

 

[Kachon123]

What does Seth start with

 

[XDragnoir]

What does Seth start with

Nothing too specific, I just edited the OP with a distance which I think could be good for both (50m), at this range Genos is too far for Seth to hit with a spell, so he would close the distance first.

He could either do that with his Broom or using Fantasia to amp his speed, but Seth is more of a reactive fighter I'd say, he acts based on what his opponent is trying to do.

 

[Recon1511]

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[Recon1511]

So if I'm not getting anything wrong Seth scales to 7 kilotons and this Genos key upscales from baseline 7-C 5.8 kilotons by casually two shotting Hydrated DSK

 

[Kachon123]

Since the fight starts at 50m, Genos would likely start with an Incinerate Canon (at least 500 meters of range on his first upgrade, meaning right now it should be much greater than that).

Genos would use his Incinerate Canon to shoot at the opponent, but at the same time rush at them so that wherever they dodge (if they end up doing so), he would be there to continue to pressure them. Genos is a really good pressure fighter. Once he starts, he doesn't stop.

Genos is also really good at mixing in his long ranged attacks at close range. He also can vaporize and burn his opponents with his High Voltage Fist attack, which isn't needed to be used at long range.

Added on top of this, Genos has extremely good Battle IQ, being really good at finding out his opponent's weakness and patterns, and being able to counter them. There are a couple of instances of this.

Spoiler: Genos Battle IQ

G4: In his fight with G4, Genos was able to use G4's giant body to his advantage, and found his weak spot, melting him from the inside with an Incinerate Canon.

G4: Also in his fight with G4, Genos found out that G4 was using lasers to fight, and he was able to quickly use his surroundings alongside his own abilities to stop G4 from using them.

Face Ripper: In this fight, Genos realized that Face Ripper was extremely dependent on his knife, with it being his main source of defense and offense. Genos was able to purposefully make himself seem open to bait Face Ripper to hitting him in the head, where he's far more durable, which in turn made Face Ripper the one who was open, allowing Genos to promptly defeat him.

Awakened Cockroach: Against Awakened Cockroach, similar to his fight with Face Ripper, realized that Awakened Cockroach was far faster than himself, which made him bait Awakened Cockroach into getting trapped.

Garou: Same thing

Elder Centipede: Genos realized that he couldn't deal damage to Elder Centipede's Carapace, so he was broke inside of his mouth in order to burn him from the inside out.

The heat of Genos' attacks are able to melt solid steel and vaporize rock, so unless Seth has heat resistance of that level, I will have to vote Genos.

 

[Kachon123]

So if I'm not getting anything wrong Seth scales to 7 kilotons and this Genos key upscales from baseline 7-C 5.8 kilotons by casually two shotting Hydrated DSK

"<" = normal scaling above
"<<" = big amp/upgrade
"<<<" = oneshot or near oneshot

7 kilotons = Fantasia Beam ~ Seth < Post Training Seth << Post Seal Release Seth <<< Vlad <<< Berserker State

6.41169216 kilotons < Arms Genos ~ Dry DSK <<< Hydrated DSK <<< Post AC Genos << Post G4 Dura <<< Post G4 AP

They scale relative in terms of AP

 

[Recon1511]

Spoiler: Genos Battle IQ

G4: In his fight with G4, Genos was able to use G4's giant body to his advantage, and found his weak spot, melting him from the inside with an Incinerate Canon.

G4: Also in his fight with G4, Genos found out that G4 was using lasers to fight, and he was able to quickly use his surroundings alongside his own abilities to stop G4 from using them.

Face Ripper: In this fight, Genos realized that Face Ripper was extremely dependent on his knife, with it being his main source of defense and offense. Genos was able to purposefully make himself seem open to bait Face Ripper to hitting him in the head, where he's far more durable, which in turn made Face Ripper the one who was open, allowing Genos to promptly defeat him.

Awakened Cockroach: Against Awakened Cockroach, similar to his fight with Face Ripper, realized that Awakened Cockroach was far faster than himself, which made him bait Awakened Cockroach into getting trapped.

Garou: Same thing

Elder Centipede: Genos realized that he couldn't deal damage to Elder Centipede's Carapace, so he was broke inside of his mouth in order to burn him from the inside out.

I'm saving these for whenever I feel like updating Genos Intelligence adding battle IQ feats...

 

[Kachon123]

I'm saving these for whenever I feel like updating Genos Intelligence adding battle IQ feats...

I mainly posted that for you because I knew you had that on the back of your mind lol

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Its Impossible for me to argue propely with Seth's profile, so I will just leave and say he could potentially defeat 98.7% of the verse

 

[Recon1511]

 

[XDragnoir]

Minor questions and details before I talk about your main post.

Does Genos go for the kill against humans or he only does that against monsters? Seth does have small horns but he is far from a threatening person, yk.

7 kilotons = Fantasia Beam ~ Seth < Post Training Seth << Post Seal Release Seth <<< Vlad <<< Berserker State

The guy Seth one shot is actually called Von Tepes (I could swear it was just Vlad Tepes, well, whatever)

 

[XDragnoir]

Its Impossible for me to argue propely with Seth's profile, so I will just leave and say he could potentially defeat 98.7% of the verse

Go revise his profile then.

 

[Kachon123]

Does Genos go for the kill against humans or he only does that against monsters? Seth does have small horns but he is far from a threatening person, yk.

He goes for the kill either way. He doesn't discriminate

 

[Recon1511]

Minor questions and details before I talk about your main post.

Does Genos go for the kill against humans or he only does that against monsters? Seth does have small horns but he is far from a threatening person, yk.

Only humans he has fought are Sonic and Garou and he tried to kill both.

 

[XDragnoir]

Only humans he has fought are Sonic and Garou and he tried to kill both.

You mean the guy known for being a Hero Hunter and the guy who is known for being an Assassin? Genos has no such info about Seth who is literally just a teenager from his looks, why would Genos go for the kill?

 

[Kachon123]

the guy who is known for being an Assassin

Genos doesn't know who Sonic is.

Sonic went to Saitama's house and Genos sensed confronted him telling him to back off or he'll kill him, then they started fighting.

 

[XDragnoir]

Since the fight starts at 50m, Genos would likely start with an Incinerate Canon (at least 500 meters of range on his first upgrade, meaning right now it should be much greater than that).

With the starting distance, Seth would be able to use his speed amps + his sixth sense to avoid most of the attack and use barrier spells to block the rest.

Genos would use his Incinerate Canon to shoot at the opponent, but at the same time rush at them so that wherever they dodge (if they end up doing so), he would be there to continue to pressure them. Genos is a really good pressure fighter. Once he starts, he doesn't stop.

That's not helping him here due to Seth's 6th sense and speed amps as well, he'd be able to evade Genos' attacks with barely any problems. He was able to avoid an attack he wasn't even aware and that was likely without using his 6th sense.

Genos is also really good at mixing in his long ranged attacks at close range.

That's... pretty basic, Seth can do the same, covering any angle his target could have tried to evade.

Not just that, Seth is also able to adapt and learn really fast even mid fight.

He also can vaporize and burn his opponents with his High Voltage Fist attack, which isn't needed to be used at long range.

Yeah, heat would be a problem.

Added on top of this, Genos has extremely good Battle IQ, being really good at finding out his opponent's weakness and patterns, and being able to counter them. There are a couple of instances of this.

The above already gives a good idea on how good Seth is at fighting, he has good fighting ability and has his sorcery to even things out, be it through speed and AP/Dura amps, his own long range spell, defensive spells or sixth sense.

Other that that, Seth has his dimensional storage that he can use against... anything really, it's not limited to objects as his profile implies, but Seth only uses it against non-living things and he could do it here once he notices Genos body is mostly robotic.

Spoiler: Genos Battle IQ

G4: In his fight with G4, Genos was able to use G4's giant body to his advantage, and found his weak spot, melting him from the inside with an Incinerate Canon.

G4: Also in his fight with G4, Genos found out that G4 was using lasers to fight, and he was able to quickly use his surroundings alongside his own abilities to stop G4 from using them.

Face Ripper: In this fight, Genos realized that Face Ripper was extremely dependent on his knife, with it being his main source of defense and offense. Genos was able to purposefully make himself seem open to bait Face Ripper to hitting him in the head, where he's far more durable, which in turn made Face Ripper the one who was open, allowing Genos to promptly defeat him.

Awakened Cockroach: Against Awakened Cockroach, similar to his fight with Face Ripper, realized that Awakened Cockroach was far faster than himself, which made him bait Awakened Cockroach into getting trapped.

Garou: Same thing

Elder Centipede: Genos realized that he couldn't deal damage to Elder Centipede's Carapace, so he was broke inside of his mouth in order to burn him from the inside out.

Not saying these don't mean something, they showcase Genos' Battle IQ, but most of these don't apply to this fight directly.

Seth doesn't use weapons, there's nothing in their surroundings that he could use to help and Seth isn't a giant with weak spots.

"<" = normal scaling above
"<<" = big amp/upgrade
"<<<" = oneshot or near oneshot

7 kilotons = Fantasia Beam ~ Seth < Post Training Seth << Post Seal Release Seth <<< Vlad <<< Berserker State

6.41169216 kilotons < Arms Genos ~ Dry DSK <<< Hydrated DSK <<< Post AC Genos << Post G4 Dura <<< Post G4 AP

They scale relative in terms of AP

About this, after looking at the fight with Face Ripper again, Genos seems to have one shot him with a fire blast, there is an explosion afterwards and his whole body was glowing.

Is there another one shot for this key of Genos or is that what the bolded part of the scaling is referring to? Cause if his punches/kicks are weaker than Seth then he would have even less of a chance at pressuring Seth, as I said off-site, the above scaling chain doesn't take Seth's spells into account and they add yet another << or maybe even a <<< for his strongest spells.

 

[Kachon123]

That's not helping him here due to Seth's 6th sense and speed amps as well, he'd be able to evade Genos' attacks with barely any problems. He was able to avoid an attack he wasn't even aware and that was likely without using his 6th sense.

Dodging the beam doesn't do anything as by the time he dodges, Genos would be right where he dodges to attacking him with large AoE attacks.

 

[XDragnoir]

Dodging the beam doesn't do anything as by the time he dodges, Genos would be right where he dodges to attacking him with large AoE attacks.

Seth would be aware of that as soon as Genos moves due to his 6th sense and this doesn't stop Seth from dodging again.

Indeed, Seth has two speed amps (one through fantasia and the other through his berserker form) so the moment he uses it he will be a good deal faster than Genos.

That and the closer he gets the more he is getting in the range of Seth's own spells which would be a pain in the ass for Genos as his dura scales lower than them.

 

[Kachon123]

Seth would be aware of that as soon as Genos moves due to his 6th sense and this doesn't stop Seth from dodging again.

It does stop him. Even Garou who has IR, Analytical Predictions, and other stuff of that nature was unable to dodge Genos' attacks due to their nature. Claiming that Seth would be able to do this to someone who leaks heat with his attacks and mixes in AoE explosions without proof doesn't work.

 

[Epiccheev]

Other that that, Seth has his dimensional storage that he can use against... anything really, it's not limited to objects as his profile implies, but Seth only uses it against non-living things and he could do it here once he notices Genos body is mostly robotic.

How does it work specifically? Is it like he can just teleport something he touches to his inventory or can he just look at something and stash it?

 

[XDragnoir]

How does it work specifically? Is it like he can just teleport something he touches to his inventory or can he just look at something and stash it?

Seth can seal/miniaturize objects, he even learnt to use that same spell on his own body.

As you can see there it's painful to use and Seth was KO'ed by absorbing a few large monsters, but that's only when used on his own body and Genos isn't big enough to be a problem anyway, much less if Seth aims only at his arms.

Even Garou who has IR, Analytical Predictions, and other stuff of that nature was unable to dodge Genos' attacks due to their nature.

Garou doesn't have a 6th sense akin to Seth's afaik. Seth's Shaman Vision tells him about all movement in the area around him, even if he is not looking at them. That's completely different from IR and Analytical Prediction + Seth has the speed advantage.

Also, what exactly do you mean by "their nature"? They're fire blasts.

Claiming that Seth would be able to do this to someone who leaks heat with his attacks and mixes in AoE explosions without proof doesn't work.

How exactly is any of that making a fire blast any harder to dodge? Saitama did it with sheer speed in one of the scans you sent above, here Seth has both the speed advantage and a 6th that is pretty different from most characters in OPM.

Seth gets the direct info of where things are and where they're moving to, but could you give the scan for Genos hitting Garou with his incineration cannon?

 

[XDragnoir]

Is it like he can just teleport something he touches to his inventory or can he just look at something and stash it?

Just noticed I didn't explain this part.

Seth can seal things from a small range if they're not living, so Genos would be in danger to this, as most of his body is not biological.

 

[XDragnoir]

Bump

 

[Arkenis]

Shouldnt even have been done. Seth's page is just outdated rn. He missing likely over 50 other stuff.

 

[XDragnoir]

Shouldnt even have been done. Seth's page is just outdated rn. He missing likely over 50 other stuff.

Ehhh, P&A wise he is just missing teleportation and BFR from his new knowledge about confinement spells and being able to see through illusions, that's everything I can remember (he could get other minor things like transformation and empowerment but those barely mean anything, being in the profile or not).

The problem with his profile is the lack of some stats and keys.

 

[XDragnoir]

Bump