SCP-682 vs Golden King

[The_Everlasting]

@Assalt

I have a thread on GK right now, you can comment there if you like, with all your grievances.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

did u watch the videos of inganock as well? Because it explains what critters really are

I know what they are described to Ben in inganock thanks to Celestial's scans. That said, they don't show such properties when fighting the Golden King and beings like Tesla make a deliberate point about the importance of their physical bodies dying (although they can repair them, to lose them is serious or he wouldn't make losing his body an issue).

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

they are in the same verse so those are the same critters (possibilities and shit hell they said physical destruction is impossbile). And old ones are fantasies that are concepts again tesla is lightning incarnate thx to the curse of the thunderbird so like M he is a conceptual being only on a far smaller scale than him (And tesla's final attack while hitting GK and made his body gone AFAIK came back in an instant and tesla was stated to be equal)

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Divine Divinity is in the same verse as Divinity: Original Sin 2 even though the characters don't work the same way. It's a passive retcon. The Divine in Divine Divinity is strong, but not uber-powerful. He was killed by a Dragon Knight and was described as a Demigod. In Divinity: OS2, he is a reality-destroying powerhouse that is the avatar of all 7 gods.

The Critter killed by the GK never gives any hint of being his "existing only has possibilities" self, and all evidence points to the contrary. The Critter dies and GK doesn't give a crap and it isn't hinted that he destroyed a conceptual possibility. Later, after he assumes his Ultharatolotep form, it is a big deal that he strikes the metaphysical level and rends space-time, which is WAY less impressive and killing a conceptual possibility with your look.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

False equivalency actually. Critters have never been contradicted on how they are. He affected them with the glare plain and simple. This isn't about actual divinity but more on what concept these guys have. Thunderbird later tesla are lightning incarnate, M is darkness incarnate and such and M with the entire old ones are conceptual beings. Tesla was confirmed to fully die but he came back cuz of an anchor without it he would have stayed down 100%. All of GK's attacks affected tesla even with his resistance fell.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

>Lightning incarnate

>Lightning will exist after he dies and is reliantly immortal on memories, not lightning

Gotta pick one here.

Also Critters clearly ARE contradicted, as they were physically atomized instead of being killed on the metaphysical level, even though it is a big deal later on when his final forn attacks metaphysically.

Also Celestial only provided scans (well a translation with no source but I trust it to be real) saying M was conceptual, not that Tesla and GK are conceptual.

Also, how far do we take flowery language if the only showing of the characters currently in question shows the opposite?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Alright,i'm here and counting the vote.

-GK: 5 (Zensum,Fill,Gar,Knight,Quantu)

-Necro Lizard: 0

Homu,i thankful about this,arigatou!!!

 

[Rikimarox2]

GK Fra.

 

[Zensum]

@Assult The Critters are never contradicted. The GK explicitly does not physically atomize in the conventional sense. They were destroyed by Cracking-based 'atomization' which proves nothing other than Cracking-based power can do nonsensical stuff. The proprieties of the Critters stay the same throughout the series and are detailed in Inganock where Critters were also being "turned into particles" as well. GK reality warping just manifests as 'atomization' so this doesn't disprove them being abstract. Also you seem to be confusing the gaze with the more superior hand. Tesla was killed by being slapped into nonexistence, not by being stared at. The gaze at base killed hundreds of Critters casually. In Ultharathotep it's boosted by several hundred millions time. GotR was just destroying Tesla's electrical membrane while GBH outright obliterated him in one swing.

ALRF, CP and Fab will be able to better expand on it when they log in

 

[KamiYasha]

This isn't a stomp Weekly.

More inconclusive rather than a stomp imo.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Can people explain how this is not a stomp? Because I'm not seeing it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kami 682 can do literally nothing in this fight while the Golden King wins just by existing. This is the very definition of a stomp

 

[Zensum]

Can people explain how this is not a stomp? Because I'm not seeing it.

@Kami 682 can do literally nothing in this fight while the Golden King wins just by existing. This is the very definition of a stomp

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1591012

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Zen GotR would oneshot 682 instantly, how can you say it wouldnt?

 

[Zensum]

@Zen GotR would oneshot 682 instantly, how can you say it wouldnt?

Because it can't perma kill 682, GDH is what can but they need to land which is what we are debating with assult but you keep closing

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

i can see SCP have small ways to win like power absorb (he doesn't have resistance to that so...) and mind can work on GK so i fail to see how SCP has NO way to win when it has some ways just GK has more

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes it can, 682 has never regenerated from conceptual erasure or anything that the GK can do

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Red 682 cant absorb something that erases him beyond his ability to regenerate

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

u mentioned he resists though like right above. And GK has no resistance to mind though

 

[WeeklyBattles]

u mentioned he resists though like right above. And GK has no resistance to mind though

He doesnt, i was wrong

682 wont be able to use his mind hax when he's erased at the very start of the fight

Please stop trying to make a stomp sound like a fair fight

 

[Zensum]

Yes it can, 682 has never regenerated from conceptual erasure or anything that the GK can do

682 resists conceptual manip, existence erasure, quantum matter damage, and can regen from EE

Anyways

GotR cant perma erase on that level of low godly esepcially with all those reistences, GDH is what can but assult trying to argue it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

GotR erases beyond anything 682 has ever shown any resistance to

 

[Zensum]

GotR erases beyond anything 682 has ever shown any resistance to

682 isnt low godly and doesn't have resistance to concept manip? Then those need to be changed on 682 profile

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Not to the level that the GK erases no

 

[Zensum]

Not to the level that the GK erases no

682 is well within that level based on its profile that he would need to resist GotR. Especially being Non-Corporeal and Acausaul, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation..etc etc

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Why is this got reopen?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

682 is well within that level based on its profile that he would need to resist GotR. Especially being Non-Corporeal and Acausaul, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation..etc etc

No, 682 is nowhere near the level needed to resist the GK. Non-corporeal only applies to its true self, Higher Dimensional maip is only a possibility, and acausality wont help here

 

[Numbersguy]

GK erases 682, then the universe explodes and it dies.

Inconclusive because of literal insanity...

 

[WeeklyBattles]

GK erases 682, then the universe explodes and it dies.
Inconclusive because of literal insanity...

Apparently GK can regen from an incorporeal self that can survive the universe bust

There is nothing 682 can do here and the GK instawins just by existing

 

[Numbersguy]

The profile doesn't state that though... they better add it.

 

[Zensum]

No, 682 is nowhere near the level needed to resist the GK. Non-corporeal only applies to its true self, Higher Dimensional maip is only a possibility, and acausality wont help here

All of these abilties are on the key we are using on the profile... and as it is it's enough to resist the GotR. GK isnt above acuasuilty and GotR hasnt destroyed anything with a combo of concept,erasure, matter resistence, reailty warping ..etc plus that level of regen. If this isn't the case the profile needs to be fixed.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The profile doesn't state that though... they better add it.

" Or just chill after the universe is busted since he can exist as some sort of incorporeal conciousness without a body housing him then leisurely go to his dimension that way. Or do whatever he wants, really " - Fabtastic Glasses

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Zen No, 682's resistances arent on the level that GK's powers are. You can have resistances that are a lower level than the powers of the opponent, which is the case here.

682 gets erased instantly at the beginning of the fight

 

[Jinsye]

This is a stomp for the same reasons Amon vs. GK was a stomp iirc.

 

[Zensum]

@Weekly GotR has never effected anything with these combo of resistences so how would it be above? And that ability can't perma destroy anything with low godly regen and that immortality alone. Also there seems to be some inconsisentcy with the keys and abilties on 682 profile based on what you are telling me.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Zen From what literally everyone else arguing for Golden King is saying it seems like he's erased things with far better resistances

From what everyone is saying about the things that the GK has erased it would absolutely bypass Low-Godly

How so?

 

[Zensum]

@Zen From what literally everyone else arguing for Golden King is saying it seems like he's erased things with far better resistances

From what everyone is saying about the things that the GK has erased it would absolutely bypass Low-Godly

How so?

Yes, the far superior abiltiy GDH can erase on that level which is what we were arguing for earlier. Not GotR it can't destroy scp permanently

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes it can, GotR has erased things that are far beyond what 682 is capable of regenerating from, such as beings that exist as ideas, abstract possibility, and concepts. Hell you were arguing that it would erase 682 instantly earlier in this very thread.

 

[Zensum]

Yes it can, GotR has erased things that are far beyond what 682 is capable of regenerating from, such as beings that exist as ideas, abstract possibility, and concepts. Hell you were arguing that it would erase 682 instantly earlier in this very thread.

Yes with GDH as it effects the metaphysical+.etc like we've said several times. GotR we determined could not as it is far inferior and specifically it's hasn't perma destroyed anything with low godly regen and all these resistences on top of that to bat.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

weekly if some abilities don't apply to its base then it should be moved...and there is the adapt thing no??