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Scion vs Edelweiss: 5th strongest High 6-A
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Earl, stop. Your arguments, to what I have plentifully seen, convince a glaringly small number of people. Your 'facts' are not facts and your arguments are flawed, but that's not your strategy. Screaming an argument over and over doesn't make it correct, and neither is waiting for your opponents to time out because they have better things to do.
I'm being serious about this. I've had a plethora of disgruntled people talk about how you act in debate, and to be frank, it only serves to give Rakudai and it's matches a bad name. It's not fun to debate a person who never, ever, under any circumstances will change from their viewpoint, and will repeat it ad infinitum, then claim they won if you give up. It's a misleading and fallacious debate tactic.
No, you haven't debunked anything. Calm down with your sense of superiority, you haven't 'fact'd' anyone.
I'm voting Scion, for the reasons mentioned above.
I'm being serious about this. I've had a plethora of disgruntled people talk about how you act in debate, and to be frank, it only serves to give Rakudai and it's matches a bad name. It's not fun to debate a person who never, ever, under any circumstances will change from their viewpoint, and will repeat it ad infinitum, then claim they won if you give up. It's a misleading and fallacious debate tactic.
No, you haven't debunked anything. Calm down with your sense of superiority, you haven't 'fact'd' anyone.
I'm voting Scion, for the reasons mentioned above.
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I mean i gave feats of them using desperado hax, which people asked me to provide to prove it's not just talk so....
I don't know why you're upset here.
I don't know why you're upset here.
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I'm leaning towards Edel because Scion's arguments don't really make much sense to me. Specially the 4D one, since the new tiering system needs more than just saying "4D" for it to mean anything.
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You realize that the 4D stuff has little to no actual bearing on the argument right? Because the argument is that Scion thinks and Edel turns into atoms.
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Scion FRA.
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I don't see that happening before Desperado hax kills Scion.
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Yeah uh
That stuff pretty objectively doesnt exist and even if it did it isn't instant
The fate hax at least
That stuff pretty objectively doesnt exist and even if it did it isn't instant
The fate hax at least
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Uhm, funnily enough the 4D is being debated whereas the "turned into atoms" is not.
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>Pretty objectively doesn't existHl3 or bust said:
I mean, you do you, but do not call it "objectively".
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...What? That is more than just a statement of 4D without anything else.
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Spatial dimensions aren't higher though. I already did my homework on that.Moritzva said:
Nene Saikyou has a similar thing where she uses gravity to affect 6 dimensions. But it does not give any more bonuses than normal 3D stuff. If it's a similar case where it's 4 spatial dimensions. It wouldn't be better as it's just "more axis of movement", not really more potent, unless it's "infinitely above 3D".
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Earl is right. Unless said 4D is explicity stated that said dimension is infinitely above 3D.
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Yeah those dimensions are the smaller-than-atom ones that even Aeyu doesn't want to touch. They really have absolutely no place in the tiering system.
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So what are the wincons exactly?
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It was just an example of "more dimensions =/= more potent" in the current system. Because if im not mistaken right now we go off of "levels of infinity". So you're "infinitely above 3D", rather than being assumed to be infinitely above 3D simply due to being 4D.Hl3 or bust said:
That dimensional change was the main point of the system change, since dimensions are just axis of movement.
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Edel is Desperado passives, Scion is atomization via thinking.EmperorRorepme said:
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Passives should win that race.
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It was just an example of "more dimensions =/= more potent" in the current system. Because if im not mistaken right now we go off of "levels of infinity". So you're "infinitely above 3D", rather than being assumed to be infinitely above 3D simply due to being 4D.
That dimensional change was the main point of the system change, since dimensions are just axis of movement.
That's literally exactly what I said. The literal only caveat is dimensional proven superiority.
That dimensional change was the main point of the system change, since dimensions are just axis of movement.
That's literally exactly what I said. The literal only caveat is dimensional proven superiority.
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Then why you correcting Ion for agreeing with me on the "4D is not infinitely superior until proven it is"?
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They dont here becsuse they've been repeatedly shown to not take effect instantly.EmperorRorepme said:
Even if it did, Edel gets to deal with another Scion who now resists her fate hax.
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It would be NLF to assume he would gain resistance to Fate hax of that potency.Hl3 or bust said:
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It's literally one layer above baseline. Stilling is several layers above baseline in terms of its hax and is also given to Scion by the Entity.
So no, it is not
So no, it is not
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Because you're acting like Scion isn't and I corrected that. Reading the post explains the post.Firephoenixearl said:
Additionally, why on earth would some fate hax be a problem to react to for Mr. "I Have All Powers" Scion?
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Because you're acting like Scion isn't and I corrected that.
So Scion's 4D stuff is infinitely above 3D?
So Scion's 4D stuff is infinitely above 3D?
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Several actually. That's the only advantage Edel has over the other desperados. She can affect everyone. Even Nene who should be > Ikki > Iris > Or Gaule. She has a scaling chain from desperados.Hl3 or bust said:
And "above baseline in other hax". I mean that's not really a way you can compare. And who is the Entity?
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Yeah literally no page indicates that any Desperado can affect other Desperados with their passives other than Edelweiss.
Yes you can actually, thats why i mentioned layers specifically. The Warrior Entity, Scion's true body.
Yes you can actually, thats why i mentioned layers specifically. The Warrior Entity, Scion's true body.
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Ikki affected Iris. Iris affected Or gaule. Edel affected Nene.
Are you seriously comparing hax? As in actually get into a debate of the like "my time hax is stronger than your space hax" and have it work?...You really cannot compare hax unless it's of the same type or dimensionally infinitely stronger.
And the warrior Entity is how strong?
Are you seriously comparing hax? As in actually get into a debate of the like "my time hax is stronger than your space hax" and have it work?...You really cannot compare hax unless it's of the same type or dimensionally infinitely stronger.
And the warrior Entity is how strong?
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The fate hax ain't even that good. She didn't even cut Stella with fate, she cut her with intimidation aura. It's a glorified Kiai.
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How can she reach Scion?
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Scion completely, and utterly Stomps.
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Also, I'm going to say this
Ya'll need to make a CRT on that Fate Hax if it's as bad as everyone says it is, because it gets very annoying when it gets brought up on how it works every Desperado thread
Ya'll need to make a CRT on that Fate Hax if it's as bad as everyone says it is, because it gets very annoying when it gets brought up on how it works every Desperado thread
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I dont think a CRT is needed when it isnt going to change what the profile says
Maybe a blog explaining the stuff would be better?
Maybe a blog explaining the stuff would be better?
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No...it was specifically done via being a desperado. Also how is glorified Kiai "causality taking shape"?The real cal howard said:
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Clarifying how an ability works on a profile makes far more sense and is easier to understand then trying to make a blog for it.
Especially when the interpretation of the ability vastly varies
Especially when the interpretation of the ability vastly varies
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No...it was specifically done via being a desperado. Also how is glorified Kiai "causality taking shape"?
No, her being a desperado allowed her to have the ability to perform a glorified kiai. And that's not what happened. Nothing said causality took shape. It said she released her bloodlust aura and it cut Stella. Not to mention that the vision showed not only her getting decapitated, but all her limbs cut off. Her neck was the only thing cut.
No, her being a desperado allowed her to have the ability to perform a glorified kiai. And that's not what happened. Nothing said causality took shape. It said she released her bloodlust aura and it cut Stella. Not to mention that the vision showed not only her getting decapitated, but all her limbs cut off. Her neck was the only thing cut.
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