Satou Kazuma vs Albedo

[Akreious]

I mean, its on Megumin's profile

And Meg profile states that feat is * 2.24 and in the calc the result was not halved the 2.24 times is something different from the calc.

Huesito, you're reading the calc wrong. the 2.24 is for the 12.25 Megatons.

The Calc even says so

"Explosion yield = 12.25 Megatons (City Level)

It was decided here that there's no need to halve the result, so it's actually 24.5 Megatons."

The profile says that Megumin should be 2.24x This Feat, linking to the calc. The Calc's final calculations says 12.25 Megatons, so 2.24x that is 24.5 Megatons which is noted under the yield within the calc (Quoted above).

Edit:

Actually I see what you're saying after re-reading your message like 10 times. If you read it like that, yes. It would indeed by that feat x 2.24 which would be 54.88 Megatons.

An AP advantage but not large enough to win Kazuma the battle here.

 

[Huesito88]

2.24 isn't a halved result that seperate and it was decided it wouldn't be halved. I'm not reading it wrong the profile says 2.24 times stronger than the feat listed and the calc says is 24.5 megatons, which would make it city level+ like it's current rating.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Still missing a vote up there! Squints expectantly....

 

[Tots_Real]

Satou Kazuma vai using steel plus high luck to take away her equipment and make her easier to beat and if all else fails he runs away, hide and think up a plane.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>Using Steel

Steal wont help here, since she has resistances and three layers of armor

>Runs away

Yeah, good luck with that when your opponent can teleportate

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

So with speed equalized hes going to escape a warior of comparable strength/steal all her equipment before she beats him to death with her axe Im gonna call bull.

If seed was unequal he would have a chance to escape but in this scenario pretty much his only advantage other than ap is non existent, the ap gap isn't big enough to allow him to peirce all three lairs of armor before she kills him. In chacter he's liable to steal her panties before going for something improtant like her armor

Stealing her armor is negated due to her armor being comprised of three sets of armor layered over one another.

 

[Tots_Real]

well if he can't steal the armour he just steals the ring.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Which ring, he has no knowledge of her abilites or equipment, even out of character hes not going to grab one of her least valulable peices of equipment for no reason. Again in character he waste his first attack stealing panties and being a pervert while albedo is immediatly going for the kill.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Also repeat what ring are you referring to?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

She doesnt need the ring to teleportate

Sure, she can teleportate with the ring, but she also has a 5th tier spell that allows her to teleportate up to hundred of kilometers in range

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Actually doom the ring simply allows for teleportation within the tomb of nazerick if he steals it he gains nothing as it is only usefull to somebody who can you know? Teleport so even going for the ring is a useless idea.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Right, forgot about that. But still, she has a spell that allows her to teleportate

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yes she does which is why the ring is usefull to her. Its useless to anyone without the ability to teleport....

Also he escapes and makes a plan? Against a characters whose intellegence far surpasses his own...Not buying that either.

 

[Tots_Real]

Actualy Kazuma doesn't intentionaly go for the panties it's more of a random lottery type thing but with his high luck he can get valuable items from his aponent, so taking away an item that effecently teloports would be done.

Also where is this fight taking place anyway?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yes she does which is why the ring is usefull to her. Its useless to anyone without the ability to teleport....
Also he escapes and makes a plan? Against a characters whose intellegence far surpasses his own...Not buying that either.

I think you missed my point. What I meant is that she doesnt need the ring in the first place to teleportate. Even if Kazuma steals the ring, she could just use a 5th tier spell that allows her to teleportate regardless

 

[Tots_Real]

Actualy Kazuma doesn't intentionaly go for the panties it's more of a random lottery type thing but with his high luck he can get valuable items from his aponent, so taking away an item that effecently teloports would be done.

Also where is this fight taking place anyway?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Actualy Kazuma doesn't intentionaly go for the panties it's more of a random lottery type thing but with his high luck he can get valuable items from his aponent, so taking away an item that effecently teloports would be done.
Also where is this fight taking place anyway?

Its SBA, so..Central Park

 

[Tots_Real]

For the intelegence thing, Kazuma still has a chance with this, Kazuma is a master scumbag and would find and use a cheap tatics to survive unlike Albedo.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

So he gets one of three suits of armor as she beats him with her axe? Good on him he still has to shatter her two other layers of armor before he can damage her. Looking at there pages side by side why not check whos attack potency is higher.

 

[Tots_Real]

New York feels wrong for some reason, but still Kazuma is more suited for the area since it have way more places to hid like the sewers.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yes but she is a hyper genius who is only loyal to ainz what does he take advantage of? She is the greatest shield in nazerick. any attempt to fight dirty is useless as albedo starts out bloodlusted against inferior life forms like humans. In chacter she rushes to attack and kill unlike kazuma.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Im getting the feeling you really want kuzuma to win here, he lacks the ap to overwhelm her armor his best ability is a gamble that could very well end with him holding panties. Most of his abilites that aren't trying to hit her with his sword or steal are negated. This is a battle of attrition and one side has three suits of armor.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

New York feels wrong for some reason, but still Kazuma is more suited for the area since it have way more places to hid like the sewers.

Hiding wont work because of Albedo's Enhanced Senses and Teleportation

 

[Tots_Real]

Im getting the feeling you really want kuzuma to win here

Nah just likes playing devils aviciter.

 

[Tots_Real]

Hiding wont work because of Albedo's Enhanced Senses and Teleportation

How good is he enhanced sencses is it better then kuzuma presence hiding

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Fair enough but how does he win this situation? He can at best if he gets lucky steal a single lair of armor, He than has to beat through two other layers while she tries to kill him. He cant escape due to albedos hieghtened senses and ability to teleport. I repeat this is a battle of attrition where one side has supuriior armor, equipment, intellegence, and resitances. He can theoretically win but the circumstances for such a victory are incredibly unlikely and require him to be bloodlusted as he wont go in looking to kill her.

 

[Tots_Real]

Wait would Albedo even have her armor in this fight, since SBA are bing used she should have her standard equipment and is it really standard for her to wear that, isn't that more he wear when it's super serous.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

SBA says that both have their standard equipment

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

And her standard equipment is the three layer armor

 

[Tots_Real]

SBA says that both have their standard equipment

but does he usualy have that equipment

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Its what she wears when going into combat so we assume she has it, Plus based on shalltear using a skill armor and weapons can instantly be equipped. And as for senses if we scale with ainz it can see through invisibility.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

but does he usualy have that equipment

Yes, she does

 

[Akreious]

Hiding wont work because of Albedo's Enhanced Senses and Teleportation

How good is he enhanced sencses is it better then kuzuma presence hiding

Kazuma's Lurk ability has the explicit weakness that it doesn't prevent detection from Life Detection spells and Magic Detection spells.

One of the most basic combat spells in the Overlord series is "Life Essence", which allows the user to see the Life value of everything (By everything I mean other people). So Kazuma's lurk would do nothing to prevent Albedo from using Life Essence and scanning a 360 area to see a big green blip where Kazuma is.

In fact, Shalltear was explicitly scolded by Ainz for not even attempting to use the Life Essence spell to see Ainz' HP. Even though he already prepared for such a thing, the fact that she didn't even try was something Ainz told her to work on.

"Wait would Albedo even have her armor in this fight, since SBA are bing used she should have her standard equipment and is it really standard for her to wear that, isn't that more he wear when it's super serous."

When in-battle, Albedo wears her armour. As per SBA, she knows she's in a battle and as such, for battles, she brings her 3-layer armour. Her other costume set, the one we usually see her in, is her casual wear.

You're trying to make the argument that Albedo as we see her is usually in casual wear and therefore that must be her standard gear whilst ignoring the fact that we basically ONLY see her when she's doing her job as a manager and not as a tank. This is a battle; her standard gear for battles is her battlearmour.

It's sort of like, sure my day-to-day clothing is a T-Shirt and such. But if I'm going into a battlefield or something as a soldier, my Standard Equipment would be bullet-resistant vest, a pistol, my rifle, grenades, Tactical helmet, Radio, and more.

 

[Dragopentling]

Al-BAE-Do FRA

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Kazuma - 1 (Tots Real)

Albedo - 5 (Milly, The pen or sword, Akreious, Emperor, Dragonpentling)

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

He's still not counting milly's vote for some reason....

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Armor... isn't a problem at all. She just make her strip by stealing them. Kazuma can bypass resistances, his life drain drained Aqua who has magic resistance of level 100 while he is only around 10.

Kazuma can bypass Vanir, at least for a while who can see past, present and future, souls and emotions at kilometers range.

Kazuma is around 50+ megatons, he has AP advantage. Kazuma doesn't fight fairly, he doesn't go cqc here. Also just binding her in a chain works.

 

[Akreious]

"Armor... isn't a problem at all. She just make her strip by stealing them. Kazuma can bypass resistances, his life drain drained Aqua who has magic resistance of level 100 while he is only around 10."

Kazuma would have to use 3 steals in succession with eachother which he's never done period. Plus she'd be bullrushing him, he'd have no chance to get those steals in. And even then it's a question if it works since Shalltear noted that the armour has magic disruption properties.

Also Kazuma has only ever used Drain on people who's having skin contact with him or having near skin contact. Albedo's in full plate armour with 2 other layers under that. There isn't a resistance to bypass because Drain wouldn't work as there's no direct contact being made.

"Kazuma can bypass Vanir, at least for a while who can see past, present and future, souls and emotions at kilometers range."

None of that has anything to relate with life detection...? Which is an explicit weakness of Lurk?

"Kazuma is around 50+ megatons, he has AP advantage. Kazuma doesn't fight fairly, he doesn't go cqc here. Also just binding her in a chain works."

Already addressed this myself.

"Actually I see what you're saying after re-reading your message like 10 times. If you read it like that, yes. It would indeed by that feat x 2.24 which would be 54.88 Megatons.

An AP advantage but not large enough to win Kazuma the battle here."

The argument you made here are also ignorant of the entire discussion this thread has already did. Binding her in chains won't work since she has movement restriction resistance. It's a common thing in Overlord; Ainz has it, Shalltear has it (Hence how she got out of that bone dome thing despite being impaled on it), and Albedo specifically has anti-binding abilities herself that lets her bypass this. It's nothing new in Overlord and anybody worth their salt has it.

Doesn't matter if he doesn't fight fairly. She has the mobility advantage (Teleportation), better mindset (Kill the person! rather than Kazuma's attempts at stealth and sometimes flat out fleeing), Lots of items to steal (Would require 3 steals to take off all of Albedo's armour; with each layer allowing her to take fatal attacks with no damage to herself), and the perfect spells to bypass Kazuma's own skills.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Hilarous thing is she is currently one of the chacters we know the least about becuase she hasn't been in combat. Even lacking knowledge on several of her more esoteric abilities and powers she still takes this with low to mid difficulty....

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

He used it consecutively in his fight against anti-generic-haired-harem-isekai-NEET-robot-ninja. It's in character. He can do spells in rush of a fight, take his fight against Griffin or Fenrir.

Oh yeah, that. Then it's useless.

Magic resistance covers restraining magic, it works on Darkness who has even higher resistance than Aqua.

That isn't a better mindset, I argue Kazuma is even better, he's more analytical of the situation. That's nothing new, even fodder magicians have teleportation.