Satoru Gojo VS Frieren

[Rosa]

Satoru Gojo (Profile) VS Frieren (Profile)

Been seeing a lot of people talk about this matchup but I have no idea what Frieren has to win here so I thought I'll make it a thread.

Gojo's speed is up for revision at the moment, so I'll avoid any discussion of speed disparities (so it's equalised speed).

 

[Arceus0x]

Uh... What can Frieren do here exactly? Infinity should just block everything off

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Couldn't Freiren seal Gojo away with his infinity intact? Idk someone explain how her sealing works

 

[Ped2018]

This might be a stomp

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Couldn't Freiren seal Gojo away with his infinity intact? Idk someone explain how her sealing works

Yeah, i dont understand how her seal works, If she needs physical contact or something, she won't hit Kit Kats.

 

[Zabazab]

We've seen her remove sealing that she has cast, but we haven't seen her actually cast it. When she removed it, she just held her staff and an aura formed around the petrified individual which released them from stone.

Other than sealing, the only wincons that come to mind are her ability to analyze and dispell magic (dispelling Limitless could be an option), or hypnosis magic which requires eye-contact.

 

[BadSystems]

We've seen her remove sealing that she has cast, but we haven't seen her actually cast it. When she removed it, she just held her staff and an aura formed around the petrified individual which released them from stone.

Other than sealing, the only wincons that come to mind are her ability to analyze and dispell magic (dispelling Limitless could be an option), or hypnosis magic which requires eye-contact.

Even if she dispels neutral infinity (which I don't think she'll get an opportunity to), can Frieren even damage Gojo? He's Large Town level+ while she's Small Town level, and idt Zoltraak's "deconstruction" helps. Feels like a stomp

 

[JnSteHar002]

Couldn't Freiren seal Gojo away with his infinity intact? Idk someone explain how her sealing works

Yeah, i dont understand how her seal works, If she needs physical contact or something, she won't hit Kit Kats.

I think it'd be possible but not a guarantee.

All I have to go for Frieren's sealing is that it can work on someone much stronger than her, but we don't know how big of a gap that was/the limits of the spell. Sure, Gojo was sealed in Shibuya that was after manhandling the Disaster Curses, opening the 0.2s DE, killing a thousand transfigured humans and then the confusion/duress of seeing his dead best friend alive again b/c he's hijacked by a freaky body hopping curse. Assuming CE and Frieren's magic are equalized/can affect one another, it'll be determined if the sealing spell can be completed before the 6 eyes can register it for Gojo to block it w/Limitless.

We've seen her remove sealing that she has cast, but we haven't seen her actually cast it. When she removed it, she just held her staff and an aura formed around the petrified individual which released them from stone.

Other than sealing, the only wincons that come to mind are her ability to analyze and dispell magic (dispelling Limitless could be an option), or hypnosis magic which requires eye-contact.

I think a similar issue will come up for the analyze and dispell or the hypnosis.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

the only wincons that come to mind are her ability to analyze and dispell magic (dispelling Limitless could be an option),

Gojo can fight Power null by increasing the power of Limintless/infinity through the Curse energy change, basically you would need more and more to even affect Infinity, although idk why it's not in Gojo profile when Sukuna say it

• Power Nullification (Sukuna can use Domain Amplifcation in order to neutralize Cursed Techniques.[15] Even from the likes of Gojo's Infinity, which was able to overpower the combined Domain Amplifications of both Jogo and Hanami)

 

[Zabazab]

Even if she dispels neutral infinity (which I don't think she'll get an opportunity to), can Frieren even damage Gojo? He's Large Town level+ while she's Small Town level, and idt Zoltraak's "deconstruction" helps. Feels like a stomp

Yeah if she dispelled Infinity her only proper haxes are her sealing and her contact-based paralysis. Frieren doesn't have as much hax as the other top tier Mages, like Serie or the Seven Sages of Destruction.

Gojo can fight Power null by increasing the power of Limintless/infinity through the Curse energy change, basically you would need more and more to even affect Infinity, although idk why it's not in Gojo profile when Sukuna say it

This just sounds like Amplification vs Jujutsu is treated as a measurable "volume" of powernull, unlike dispelling magic which is treated akin to hax.

Either way it doesn't really matter, Frieren can dispell Diagoldze which resists powernull.

 

[Tago238]

I’m pretty sure this is a stomp in Gojo’s favour and while I think it would be interesting to discuss if infinity is something Frieren can really use anti magic on (I take the opinion that there’s context saying she can’t really do that before she gets blown up), it doesn’t really matter cause it’s obviously a stomp even then.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Frieren has no way to bypass Infinity, also, if Gojo gets into CQC, it's over.

 

[Zabazab]

It'd take like, five minutes for her to develop a counterspell to deactivate Infinity, but I think the AP difference might be too big for her to fight him for that long, and barely any of her spells can harm Gojo even if Infinity is down. Either she uses her mysterious sealing or Gojo blows her up. The large starting distance could benefit her though.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

It'd take like, five minutes for her to develop a counterspell to deactivate Infinity, but I think the AP difference might be too big for her to fight him for that long, and barely any of her spells can harm Gojo even if Infinity is down. Either she uses her mysterious sealing or Gojo blows her up. The large starting distance could benefit her though.

You know that Gojo can just well, Teleport close to her and kill her with one punch and he have enough speed to move, or just move his hand and cast Blue (no the sphere but the Telekinesis part of it) to crush her in the distance

 

[Bigitess]

You know that Gojo can just well, Teleport close to her and kill her with one punch and he have enough speed to move, or just move his hand and cast Blue (no the sphere but the Telekinesis part of it) to crush her in the distance

The speed here is the same, if it weren't for the same speed, Gojo wouldn't make dust. Frieren's speed exceeds Gojo's speed, and Gojo's infinity is automatic, which means if the enemy is faster than him, his hax won't work as it should.

 

[LaserPrecision]

The speed here is the same, if it weren't for the same speed, Gojo wouldn't make dust. Frieren's speed exceeds Gojo's speed, and Gojo's infinity is automatic, which means if the enemy is faster than him, his hax won't work as it should.

I don't think Gojo has that problem at all. He sets parameters given the mass, velocity, and shape of things. All he would need to do is go "Anything over this speed isn't permitted past Infinity". Same for the other factors (Shape and Mass). Doubt even with a speed advantage she could get through. Only time Infinity would have an issue in this case is if she uses something completely foreign to him since his Infinity won't be acclimated to already block it out. But speed is something he's already considered for Infinity and set parameters for. So if she were faster, she wouldn't get past it by the merit of her speed alone.

the only wincons that come to mind are her ability to analyze and dispell magic (dispelling Limitless could be an option)

That begs the question though; Has she shown the ability to dispel Spatial and Mathematics manipulation? I think the argument that will be brought up is that they negate the "magic" system itself, rather than the hax in and of itself (Magic in this case being Cursed Energy). But that begs another question; has she shown the ability to dispel or interact with "magic" (Cursed Energy in this case) at the atomic scale? Gojo's Six Eyes enables control over Cursed Energy at an atomic scale to manipulate space, physics, and mathematics. If she has, then sure, eventually finding a way to dispel Infinity is feasible. If not, then no amount of time would help her in trying to get rid of it (This is under the assumption that it dispels the power system itself and not the hax itself. But if it works by negating the hax itself, then it's a question of if she can negate the hax Infinity is comprised of on a atomic scale).

I mostly bring this up, because I feel this details are often overlooked.

 

[Bigitess]

I don't think Gojo has that problem at all. He sets parameters given the mass, velocity, and shape of things. All he would need to do is go "Anything over this speed isn't permitted past Infinity". Same for the other factors (Shape and Mass). Doubt even with a speed advantage she could get through. Only time Infinity would have an issue in this case is if she uses something completely foreign to him since his Infinity won't be acclimated to already block it out. But speed is something he's already considered for Infinity and set parameters for. So if she were faster, she wouldn't get past it by the merit of her speed alone.


That begs the question though; Has she shown the ability to dispel Spatial and Mathematics manipulation? I think the argument that will be brought up is that they negate the "magic" system itself, rather than the hax in and of itself (Magic in this case being Cursed Energy). But that begs another question; has she shown the ability to dispel or interact with "magic" (Cursed Energy in this case) at the atomic scale? Gojo's Six Eyes enables control over Cursed Energy at an atomic scale to manipulate space, physics, and mathematics. If she has, then sure, eventually finding a way to dispel Infinity is feasible. If not, then no amount of time would help her in trying to get rid of it (This is under the assumption that it dispels the power system itself and not the hax itself. But if it works by negating the hax itself, then it's a question of if she can negate the hax Infinity is comprised of on a atomic scale).

I mostly bring this up, because I feel this details are often overlooked.

I read in the febdom about his hax, infinity is automatic, Gojo's speed is supersonic, Frieren is massively hypersonic, he won't have time to activate infinity. And you can bypass infinity by using a spatial section or distorting space.Here's the fact that it's automatic

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I read in the febdom about his hax, infinity is automatic, Gojo's speed is supersonic, Frieren is massively hypersonic, he won't have time to activate infinity. And you can bypass infinity by using a spatial section or distorting space.Here's the fact that it's automatic

automatic mean always active, is like GER

 

[Bigitess]

automatic mean always active, is like GER

No, there is a passive hax, and there are also automatic ones, but the automatic one is not always active, Gojo can activate and disable it, but the passive one means he is always active and Gojo cannot activate or disable it. Gojo himself claimed that he could activate it, which means that it is automatic, so if the enemy's speed exceeds Gojo's speed, know that Gojo will have time to activate infinity.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I read in the febdom about his hax, infinity is automatic, Gojo's speed is supersonic, Frieren is massively hypersonic, he won't have time to activate infinity. And you can bypass infinity by using a spatial section or distorting space.Here's the fact that it's automatic

Oh, that's where the misunderstanding comes from. Automatic just means it's always active. Even when he's asleep Infinity is active. Heck, Infinity blocks things he's actively ignoring/not paying attention to at all. His speed doesn't really matter. (Also that link doesn't open for me)

 

[LaserPrecision]

No, there is a passive hax, and there are also automatic ones, but the automatic one is not always active, Gojo can activate and disable it, but the passive one means he is always active and Gojo cannot activate or disable it. Gojo himself claimed that he could activate it, which means that it is automatic, so if the enemy's speed exceeds Gojo's speed, know that Gojo will have time to activate infinity.

Gojo keeps Infinity on the ENTIRE time he's fighting someone. Why would he ever turn it off during a fight so someone could potentially bypass it?

 

[Bigitess]

Gojo keeps Infinity on the ENTIRE time he's fighting someone. Why would he ever turn it off during a fight so someone could potentially bypass it?

It doesn't hold infinity all the time And here's a link, maybe it'll open here

 

[LaserPrecision]

It doesn't hold infinity all the time And here's a link, maybe it'll open here

Oh, yeah, this clears up the miscommunication. Infinity is passive, i.e. always active. The only thing that's automatic is its targeting. Gojo confirms this in his convo.

"What I'd been doing manually I can now do automatically. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE INTENSITY OF CURSED ENERGY, BUT IT'S MASS, SPEED, SHAPE... I CAN USE THEM ALL TO DISTINGUISH THE DANGER OF THE OBECT."

He confirms there that the only automatic aspect is its ability to distinguish danger. He never says Infinity turns itself on and off automatically. In fact, the very next panel contradicts that's what's happening when he says:
"Right now, I can almost always keep the Limitless activated at all times while using minimum resources."

We know he keeps it active at all times and that wasn't just a theoretical statement because his friends reply that he'll fry his brain if he keeps the ability active at all times, and he replies RCT keeps his brain refreshed. Plus we see before Toji comes in, that Geto noticed Gojo has been keeping Infinity active for several days straight

(Chapter 70, during the scene in the beach)
"Satoru. You've been using your technique nonstop since yesterday, haven't you?"

So yeah, the targeting is automatic (I.e. it lets things that are deemed safe past Infinity, like the eraser Geto threw). But the ability itself is always active. The only time it wouldn't be is if Gojo literally had zero energy left. So blitzing won't really help.