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Because Bibleman is literally stronger and tougher. 300 Megajoules >>> 98 MegajoulesIdazmi said:http://shortsleeveandtieclub.com/electromagnetic-rail-gun-uses-32-megajoules-of-energy-to-launch/ <- Electromagnetic Rail Gun Uses 32 MegaJoules of Energy to Launch.
If Sonic scales to 98 Megajoules, I don't see how Sonic doesn't one shot.
That would make AP and Durability the same calculation, thus severely imbalancing all characters who can dish out more damage than they can take.Buttersamuri said:His AP should scale to his durability via harming people who can harm him. (...) On top of that. You can't be serious to think someone who's 3 times tougher and stronger would only take 8 hits for sonic to kill. That's horribly incorrect.
I hard forgotten that the speed was equalized, however, I still have a point in that - in Sonic's case - his speed and his AP are interrelated. Notice how he weant through the rock? He tunneled into it through raw torque. That's not the only time he done things like that: he burrowed tens of meters into the earth (Sonic is one meter tall) to weaponize an oil derrick against an airship, triggering an earthquake in the process that sank an entire island.Buttersamuri said:As well. Your logic is extremly poor considering Speed is equal
On top of that as well. Both are MHS+. Making your argument even further incorrect
Looking at Bibleman's profile, his AP is "Likely Small Building level" because "(Should scale to his durability, able to harm Luxor Spawndroth. The Sword of The Spirit is able to block a similar blade, which is able to effortlessly cut through steel)"Buttersamuri said:That's a pointless argument as it has no ground to stand on. He can clearly take hits from people as strong as him.. claiming that other characters can take more than can dish is Other Characters. He doesn't fall under that category.
You have no evidence that he's stronger: only more durable. That, and did you not read what I just posted about Sonic's torque, and ability to continuously generate force with his speed? He didn't create the earthquake brought down that island with a single casual attack: his speed translates into constantly increasing power. This is also true (although less so) of the Sonic games of the time.Buttersamuri said:Ok. So. Speed is still equal, meaning he can attack and react at just a rapid pace.
And my point is your very very VERY wrong with a lot of you're points. Sonic doesn't even come close to 8 shotting. Speed is eqaul, making him able to react and attack at just a rapid rate. And he much stronger and tougher.
Buttersamuri said:Neither is your argument. However mine has ground to stand on. Saying he is likely doesn't change the fact he scales. (...) we are using his 9-A key, so that means we use the 9-A Calc. Which is 300 Megajoules. So the evidence is very much there.
You're still treating AP and durability as one thing. They are not one thing. They are two separate things.Buttersamuri said:2. And you have not been reading. Bibleman Scales to people who can hurt him thus making him scale to his durability.
Pages are not flawless, that's why we edit them. I've already given evidence for MY claims, it's not also up to me to provide evidence for yours. It's not me making vague comparisons to other characters: that's literally what you are doing right here!Buttersamuri said:Your logic is flawed because you've ignored what is Very straight forward and I've said multiple times. Your trying to debunk something that's literally on the page. the evidence is required needs to come from you. Cause the reason he scales is because people hi can injure him, he scales to. That's proof right there. You have nothing but vague comparison to other characters which is entirely irrelevant
Except that 9-A key is his base form. You know how Sonic did that feat? He was in base form. Which is why we shouldn't treat pages as gospel for just existing.Buttersamuri said:3. Ok. Let me make this clear. This is their 9-A versions. Bringing in feats like that and asking me why I'm not using them is obvious. Very obvious. Thats a feat beyond 9-A, and isn't being used on a feat that's specifically using 9-A Sonic. If you have a problem with that feat not being used, make a CTR, but that feat ain't working here.
That's called circular reasoning. By that logic, Kylo Ren's total AP scales directly to Chewbacca's Bowcaster.Buttersamuri said:And you are failing to acknowledge that someone being able to damage Bibleman, someone who Bibleman also fights makes him scale to his durability Man can hurt Bibleman putting their AP and durability at 300 Megajoules. Bibleman can match them. So Bibleman scales. It's that simple
That has yet to be proven.Buttersamuri said:And yet you are wrong about them. You continue to ignore the fact his AP scales to his durability because he fights people up can injure him. You are making vague comparisons. Trying to say some characters can take more than they can give us vague. That's other characters. Not this one.
If this feat exists (and it does) then there is no 9-A Sonic (as far as AP). Also, Sonic is scaled to 9-A as a durability feat. The island feat affects his AP. See how they're not the same thing?Buttersamuri said:Ok. So. Make a CTR and stop complaining here if you want the feat to be acknowledged. Bringing that feat up means absolutely nothing as that's not a feat that can be used: this is 9-A sonic. So no twisting that in any way to use it.
Again, by that logic, Chewbacca is as powerful as Kylo Ren. You should be able to see the problems there.Buttersamuri said:If Kylo can injure someone who can physically injure him, his AP scales to his durability, yes. That's how basic logic works. Unless there is specific reason why they would be more durable, this logic works.
No, it's not. Your statements need proving.Buttersamuri said:Which it doesn't need to be cause it's basic 1 2 3 logic
The debate doesn't magically stop because you can use false logic to assert without evidence that Bibleman's AP and Durability are the exact same. Also, you need to prove that the Sonic feat is an outlier, not mererly claim that it is on nothing but the page. And believe me, I intend to make a revision thread, as soon as I collect some more data and the lockdown is no longer a problem.Buttersamuri said:Which again. Make a CTR and stop wasting time on this pointless point. You are going nowhere with this. This debate doesn't magically stop because he has that one feat. It may not be on the page cause it's an outlier. If you think it should be on the page. For the third to fourth time. Make a CTR.
What's in front of me? I'm the one posting evidence supporting my position. Your response so far is to simply ignore the feat because it's not on the page, and implying that it shouldn't be on the page ("It's not on his page for a reason").Buttersamuri said:I'm not going further either you. You obviously downplaying like hell and ignoring the clear and basic evidence right in front of you.Your vote shouldn't count as completely ignoring BiblemanD stats, cause he scales to 300 Megajoules. You can't twist it around and act like I need evidence here when you trying to ignore what's in front of you.
Stop conflating AP and defense: they are not the same, and are not treated as automatically scaling to each other on this wiki: that's WHY they are listed separately.Buttersamuri said:If someone can damage Bibleman. They scale to 300 Megajoules. If Bibleman can match their strength. Bibleman also scales to 300 Megajoules. This is in fact the case. No twisting that around with other characters. No "I need evidence" because that in itself is the evidence. Stop ignoring it.
It's not on his page because it wasn't evaluated: I can't find anything even referencing the feat here. And I'm not going to be making a CTR until the forum move is completed.Buttersamuri said:"Oh but you have to" no I don't, and trying to use that argument is weak AF. It's not on his page for a reason. Again. Make a thread and stop whining at me about it. It's not in the page, so we don't use it. you think that's wrong, CTR it.
Again: Of course if anyone can hurt Bibleman, their AP scales to Bibleman's defense. That doesn't mean Bibleman's AP automatically scales to his own defense. His durability is based on surviving vaporization while his AP is merely based on a blade cutting through steel. We know Biblman's AP has to generally scale at or above his enemies' defense.EnnardTrap1987 said:Literally, every character that Bibleman has fought, all seem to scale to him.
The only difference, is that Bibleman is the only character in the series who is seen surviving vaporisation. And since his villains are able to harm him, they scale to him.
Feel free to explain why AP and durability are accounted for separately on this wiki if what I said is not true.Xx.davidparra said:^The Headassery is strong with this one
Yet, on the page, only his durability is shown to scale to human vaporization. You are merely asserting that his AP is the same.Buttersamuri said:AP and durability are accounted separate because they CAN be different. But that doesn't mean they automatically are for every page. Gotta use their actual feats and what they would scale to, which your not using. Matching someone's power who can damage you means their and your AP scales to your durability. Cases can exist where they are tougher than they are strong. But that isn't demonstrated for him.
Now. I'm not wasting anymore time explaining this 20 more times to you. Bibleman scales to human vap. Both AP and durability wise.
No, he just said that it does. I've seen this argument before, usually from Dragonball fanboys, and it's just as broken now as ever because it assumes that everyone's durability and AP are typically the same stat. The logic he uses is:Xx.davidparra said:he literally explained to you 4 times why his dura scales to ap
You assume. What if the the AA gun had missiles instead, that could shatter the plane entirely? And it could also easily have far more armor than the aircraft it shoots down. Yet, it still doesn't have the AP to match the aircraft I proposed. AP and durability are not the same, and one should never be assumed based on the other.Buttersamuri said:also because an AA gun CANT destroy a plane. The most it can do is cause a domino effect to cause it to crash. That's a vastly different situation. If you hit a Plane or a car in the right spot, it will cause it issues in its mechanics. But isn't the gun scaling to their power, thats a gun piercing it and then causing it an issue on its inner workings. You can jam the cogs of s robot without even being remotely strong enough to destroy the robot
The gun isn't cause the plane to explodes into bits. What causes that is the planet crashing. Which is why a gun wouldn't scale to that.