Sarda the Sage vs. Ness

[Jinsye]

Take two

Low 2-C Sarda and Post-Magicant Ness

Who wins?

Sarda the Sage: 0

Ness: 0

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

I knew this was gonna happen.

I hecking called it!!!

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Anyway, what can that guy do to Ness?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Are his resistances 4-D?

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Who are you referring to?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Sarda

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Ah.

Then I shall stay put.

 

[Jinsye]

Sarda's resistance to reality and plot manipulation are from his own attacks being used against him and him being like "eh"

Sarda's capable of viewing an entire fight and future and past hundreds of times before it happens passively due to his state of existence and he should also be capable of erasing timelines and erasing people from all of history. He also controls the elements to the most metaphorical and abstract level if that helps as well.

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Isn't erasing timelines 2-C?

 

[Jinsye]

He's only shown to do it one at a time

 

[PaChi2]

Ness cant touch a guy who exists outside a 1-B multiverse.

 

[Jinsye]

Ness cant touch a guy who exists outside a 1-B multiverse.

Lowballing him to Low 2-C rn

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Oh, uh ok.

This matchup makes my head spin in all directions. Well at least Ness has Nigh-Omniscience, which would theoretically grant him every abilities that is used in the Earthbound verse, with the addition of being protected and guided by a fully omniscient entity who exist in all Unknown amount of timelines and people's mind. Though apparently Truth is not bound by conventional time.

 

[PaChi2]

Lowballing him to Low 2-C rn

You cant lowball his existence.

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

This matchup is oof'd

 

[PaChi2]

Ness doesnt resist Hair manipulation.

Sarda via Hairhax.

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Sarda doesn't resist Okey Manipulation.

Ness via okey hax.

 

[Jinsye]

I'm fairly sure if we take the Low 2-C lowball we're ignoring the 612-dimensional thing so he'd just be existing beyond a Low 2-C reality

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Does he resist Plothax on a 4-D level?

 

[Jinsye]

It's his own plothax so sure enough

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Ness doesn't even resist plot hax at all.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ness doesn't even resist plot hax at all.

I was talking about Sarda tho

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If Sarda resists, then Ness fatehax likely wont work here

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Oh. Rip.

 

[Jinsye]

Though Ness doesn't use plothax so idk where resisting it would bring Sarda

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ness doesnt have plot hax tho, he uses fatehax

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Though Ness doesn't use plothax so idk where resisting it would bring Sarda

If Sarda resists plothax, he most likely resists fatehax too, since Plot>>>Fate

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Eh, I mean TOTU could still prevent Ness from dying and such.

Question is, could TOTU come in and smack Sarda with sheer AP?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

That would be considered outside help, no?

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Pretty sure all of that is attributed to his Fate Manipulation especially if the best outcome requires it.

 

[Jinsye]

I still dont think that's allowed. That's outside help really

 

[PaChi2]

I'm fairly sure if we take the Low 2-C lowball we're ignoring the 612-dimensional thing so he'd just be existing beyond a Low 2-C reality

That is still above Ness' range, isnt it?

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

I still dont think that's allowed. That's outside help really

I mean, that's how he stomped Iihiko, really.

 

[Jinsye]

That's sorta wrong then. A god shouldn't be allowed to just come down and punch the opponent unless the person is specificslly capable of summoning them

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ness stomped Iihiko via fatehax only, iirc

 

[The_Coolest_Water_Bottle]

That's sorta wrong then. A god shouldn't be allowed to just come down and punch the opponent unless the person is specificslly capable of summoning them

It should still be allowed, because otherwise SCP-343 and Khorne shouldn't be allowed for Kharn and SCP-682

 

[Jinsye]

They're granting boons to them, Khorne isn't coming down himself and punching the shit out of his opponent with his 1-B fist

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Ness stomped Iihiko via fatehax only, iirc

Yep. Like I said, I'm pretty sure that whole the thing is still attributed to Fate Manipulation. Since Ness is literally being protected by a much stronger entity.

if Ness has no way of winning the battle or no way of dealing damage to enemy, then the best situation for Ness in this case would require the help of The Player since that's what happened with his battle against Giygas.

 

[PaChi2]

They're granting boons to them, Khorne isn't coming down himself and punching the shit out of his opponent with his 1-B fist

I wish he did, tbh.

 

[The_Coolest_Water_Bottle]

They're granting boons to them, Khorne isn't coming down himself and punching the shit out of his opponent with his 1-B fist

Well, that is how Giygas was canonically defeated, so I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed here.