• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Sans vs Uzi Doorman

Well I highly doubt Uzi would agree, since they're assuming he intends on doing them real harm- so surrendering would presumably be really bad without a really good reason.
Local ****** skeleton solos Uzi's whole verse because they didn't fight to the death (rookie mistake)
 
lets say they yap for a bit... I still think they end up fighting and killing each other tbh. I dont see these two coming to an understanding even more under SBA.
 
No no those are ghosts inhabiting bodies. he could likely tell the difference just at a glance since he figure out so much just from looking at someone.
Hmm. That is a good point. He is unnaturally perceptive.

I guess that sort of leads us to questioning if Sans considers a sentient AI to be a person or not, which we have no way of knowing.

So it's not out of the question- but I'm entirely uncertain whether or not it sways things.
 
I guess that sort of leads us to questioning if Sans considers a sentient AI to be a person or not, which we have no way of knowing.

So it's not out of the question- but I'm entirely uncertain whether or not it sways things.
Hey look buddy, I'm an Battle Boarder. That means I solve problems, not problems like "Is a non-sentient AI a person?" Because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy.
 
Hey look buddy, I'm an Battle Boarder. That means I solve problems, not problems like "Is a non-sentient AI a person?" Because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy.
When are you going to make Engi's profile not suck dick?
 
lets say they yap for a bit... I still think they end up fighting and killing each other tbh. I dont see these two coming to an understanding even more under SBA.
Without good SI they're probably both going to claim they don't plan on doing anything bad, but the other person just won't believe them, so that makes sense to me.

I'm arguing that Sans would probably try to go for a non-lethal option, though.

The instance of killing he does, and which so many people are using as evidence he does kill, is ironically a showcase of how hard it is to get him to kill. The prerequisites it took to get him to that point are absurd, and if you're even slightly less awful he decides not to. And that's despite him knowing that he's not really killing you.
 
The instance of killing he does, and which so many people are using as evidence he does kill, is ironically a showcase of how hard it is to get him to kill. The prerequisites it took to get him to that point are absurd, and if you're even slightly less awful he decides not to.
sorta a hit or miss actually. sometimes it takes little to nothing to get him to try and kill you.

Flowey states that when sans found out he was a time traveler it was on sight with sans, so depending on what exactly is going on he might just go for it immediately. Do we account that having the amount of power uzi has a qualifier to make him wanna kill you? who knows.
 
Flowey states that when sans found out he was a time traveler it was on sight with sans, so depending on what exactly is going on he might just go for it immediately. Do we account that having the amount of power uzi has a qualifier to make him wanna kill you? who knows.
Scan?

I don't remember that, only vague references that they've fought before.
 
misremembered the quote, but it still shows sans won't hold back from killing to when the universe is threatened.
Indeed. We have two instances where he's willing to kill if the entire universe is threatened (and the person he's killing can't actually die).

Pretty high bar.
 
Indeed. We have two instances where he's willing to kill if the entire universe is threatened.

Pretty high bar.
And we have an instance where just finding out things about Flowey caused sans to murder him several times over. He has killed for less than the universe being threatened.
 
And we have an instance where just finding out things about Flowey caused sans to murder him several times over.
Which presumably includes him being a psychopathic killer who plans on destroying the universe, in addition to being able to just rewind time instead of dying.
 
Which presumably includes him being a psychopathic killer who plans on destroying the universe, in addition to being able to just rewind time instead of dying.
it still means Sans doesn't NEED the universe being threatened to kill, let alone the fact this is still not a sentient person and he shouldn't really care about destroying them.
 
Honestly if "yapping IC" thing works, I think I know a certain guy who likes to philosophize before fighting a ton so he'd be a victim in every single MU. Also this'd mean we'd probably need to remove all of Sans' MUs, since all of them assumed that two characters fight immediately rather than question each other.

That's why I do not consider IC fights fair, it's essentially putting characters OOC but stillt trying to make them act IC and the result will be discussions like these.
I do agree that if people just blood-lusted him it'd achieve what they're actually wanting, without real Sans fans like me going uhm acktually.
 
Which presumably includes him being a psychopathic killer who plans on destroying the universe, in addition to being able to just rewind time instead of dying.
Sans has reports. If Flowey was capable of destroying universe at the time of fighting Sans, and Sans fought specifically because of this, why is universe still there then?

Again, you're forgetting WHY he is a nice guy. It's because of promise. Otherwise, "you'd be dead where you stand".
 
Sans has reports. If Flowey was capable of destroying universe at the time of fighting Sans, and Sans fought specifically because of this, why is universe still there then?

Again, you're forgetting WHY he is a nice guy. It's because of promise. Otherwise, "you'd be dead where you stand".
You'd be dead where you stand because you're the key to saving everyone he knows and loves- not because he isn't a nice guy.
 
I do agree that if people just blood-lusted him it'd achieve what they're actually wanting, without real Sans fans like me going uhm acktually.
Okay i get what you're going for, and i get he's supposed to be in character, and i say this in the nicest way possible;

we're a battle boarding site, not a philosophy class. I don't think anyone came here wanting to debate "does sans consider non-sentient AI as a person?" and whether or not he'd actually do the battle boarding thing on the battle boarding thread.
 
You'd be dead where you stand because you're the key to saving everyone he knows and loves- not because he isn't a nice guy.
You have a point here.

I just had an impression that you argue "unless you're a world-nuking threat, Sans will basically do nothing" thing, which is pretty common and which I consider just a myth.

Wait a second... Uzi IS world-nuking threat, no? Unless I misunderstand something here... Sans' reports would go crazy.
 
Isn't "Sans' reports" just Sans with prep? Like isn't this all just Sans with preparation?
 
You have a point here.

I just had an impression that you argue "unless you're a world-nuking threat, Sans will basically do nothing" thing, which is pretty common and which I consider just a myth.

Wait a second... Uzi IS world-nuking threat, no? Unless I misunderstand something here... Sans' reports would go crazy.
I'm not even arguing Sans would be completely unwilling to kill, just that he's definitely not nearly as kill-happy as people have been implying, and if he thought he had any chance of resolving something without death he'd probably at least try it.

And... I don't know. If she is, and he could tell, he probably wouldn't hold back from what we've seen. I was operating under the assumption that wasn't on the table. He's clearly willing to kill if it means preventing some mass catastrophe or saving all his friends.
 
Wait I'm sorry, who did FinePoint vote for? I'm voting whoever FinePoint voted for.
 
And... I don't know. If she is, and he could tell, he probably wouldn't hold back from what we've seen. I was operating under the assumption that wasn't on the table. He's clearly willing to kill if it means preventing some mass catastrophe or saving all his friends.
I suppose the question is now;

Does he consider someone with the power to destroy the universe an immediately threat?

In game, Flowey seems to imply he does, and sans himself seems to imply so considering he only didn't kill Frisk because he was asked not to by Toriel.
 
I suppose the question is now;

Does he consider someone with the power to destroy the universe an immediately threat?

In game, Flowey seems to imply he does, and sans himself seems to imply so considering he only didn't kill Frisk because he was asked not to by Toriel.
I think he probably does.
So given this new information (which really should've come up earlier...), I'll switch to Sans FRA.
So called freethinkers over here.
No, they're on to something. The world would be a better place if everyone thought the same way, and simply agreed with me on everything.
 
Wait I'm sorry, who did FinePoint vote for? I'm voting whoever FinePoint voted for.
Voted for Sans.
Pretty much every character talks before starting a fight, keyword being before.
Think we base starting moves on when the fight actually starts. Like if pre-fight banter counted, sans wouldn’t have 90% of his wins.

Is Uzi even the insta-kill silent type?
Is that another vote for Uzi?
can i get a video of uzi using their AOE as a starting move then?
Uzi can start with explosion manipulation to blow up sans.
Counted
 
Back
Top