Sans vs Uzi Doorman

[FinePoint]

Can someone give a good reason why I shouldn't close this match right now for being a stomp? Uzi has type 2 Inorganic Physiology, how is Sans going to be able to affect her?

Apparently he has feats of affecting soulless beings (though I don't see how that makes sense).

 

[StrymULTRA]

Apparently he has feats of affecting soulless beings (though I don't see how that makes sense).

This is complete incredulity.

You see Flowey saying he died a lot against Sans, you see him lacking a SOUL, and on the profile there's evidence that Sans' KR affects also the body.

Either you're gonna say that Flowey has a SOUL despite every statement of him being soulless, or you accept that Sans can dura neg soulless things.

 

[FinePoint]

This is complete incredulity.

You see Flowey saying he died a lot against Sans, you see him lacking a SOUL, and on the profile there's evidence that Sans' KR affects also the body.

Either you're gonna say that Flowey has a SOUL despite every statement of him being soulless, or you accept that Sans can dura neg soulless things.

I meant it doesn't make narrative sense that he can dura neg soulless things, not that he can't.

I'm just criticizing the writing, I guess. Not making an actual argument.

 

[VIZION99]

This is complete incredulity.

You see Flowey saying he died a lot against Sans, you see him lacking a SOUL, and on the profile there's evidence that Sans' KR affects also the body.

Either you're gonna say that Flowey has a SOUL despite every statement of him being soulless, or you accept that Sans can dura neg soulless things.

Sans's profile claims his karma affects soulless beings.

 

[VIZION99]

This is complete incredulity.

You see Flowey saying he died a lot against Sans, you see him lacking a SOUL, and on the profile there's evidence that Sans' KR affects also the body.

Either you're gonna say that Flowey has a SOUL despite every statement of him being soulless, or you accept that Sans can dura neg soulless things.

anyway, have you decided on a winner?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

To be fair Sans yaps a lot before his first attack canonically.

That’s because he specifically knows Frisk and what they did, lol.

None of MUs follow this logic. Otherwise he wouldn’t be even close to incon-ing Zeno.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I meant it doesn't make narrative sense that he can dura neg soulless things, not that he can't.

How does it not make sense given that all of characters have soul except Flowey? Dura negging soul or dura negging soulless has virtually no difference on UT narrative.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Doesn't Uzi have jack shit for AoE?

The death of Sans is AoE. If she doesn't have it it's pretty decisive in the Skeleton's favor.

 

[koopa3144]

Doesn't Uzi have jack shit for AoE?

The death of Sans is AoE. If she doesn't have it it's pretty decisive in the Skeleton's favor.

Uzi does have pretty large AoE with shockwaves.

 

[VIZION99]

Doesn't Uzi have jack shit for AoE?

The death of Sans is AoE. If she doesn't have it it's pretty decisive in the Skeleton's favor.

So have you decided who to vote?

 

[Ebihara]

Have you decided who to vote?

I like @TheOrangeGuy09 reasonings more so ill vote for sans for now.

 

[VIZION99]

I like @TheOrangeGuy09 reasonings more so ill vote for sans for now.

counted

 

[VIZION99]

I like @TheOrangeGuy09 reasonings more so ill vote for sans for now.

Also, I am curious, why do you think Sans win?

 

[Ebihara]

I am not convinced she wont just get dankuma down before she can pull her win con off. I think is close thats why i said "for now"

 

[VIZION99]

I am not convinced she wont just get dankuma down before she can pull her win con off. I think is close thats why i said "for now"

I feel like Uzi can use her absolute solver abilities first before Sans could finish her off, Especially since Uzi has regeneration and immorality. Uzi's abilities would probably one shot Sans while Sans's karma deals poison damage and durability bypassing but it won't be as fast to finish off Uzi.

 

[Ebihara]

I feel like Uzi can use her absolute solver abilities first before Sans could finish her off, Especially since Uzi has regeneration and immorality. Uzi's abilities would probably one shot Sans while Sans's karma deals poison damage and durability bypassing but it won't be as fast to finish off Uzi.

thats why we voted for differnt charcters. I disagree that would be the outcome.

 

[VIZION99]

thats why we voted for differnt charcters. I disagree.

I understand

 

[Ebihara]

I usally dislike sans matchups, but this one i like.

 

[VIZION99]

Doesn't Uzi have jack shit for AoE?

The death of Sans is AoE. If she doesn't have it it's pretty decisive in the Skeleton's favor.

Also, I am pretty sure her explosion Manipulation would work too.

 

[Arkansalter2]

FRA

 

[VIZION99]

FRA

So who did you vote for?

 

[Arkansalter2]

So who did you vote for?

Uzi (that's lil uzi vert).

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I think Uzi would buy based on my own subjective opinion

 

[VIZION99]

Uzi (that's lil uzi vert).

I think Uzi would buy based on my own subjective opinion

counted

 

[Comiphorous]

Does Uzi start with AOE? if not she kinda gets killed before she can resort to that it seems.

 

[Comiphorous]

I think Uzi would buy based on my own subjective opinion

Also, if you have your own reasons you gotta actually say them before it counts lmao.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Also, if you have your own reasons you gotta actually say them before it counts lmao.

hax difference and attack potential leaves obvious chances weak

 

[Comiphorous]

hax difference and attack potential leaves obvious chances weak

can i get a video of uzi using their AOE as a starting move then?

 

[ArthurBeyy]

can i get a video of uzi using their AOE as a starting move then?

Uzi There is already a 3A ap = dura situation, bro sans can't even get over it

 

[DaReaperMan]

Uzi There is already a 3A ap = dura situation, bro sans can't even get over it

Comi asked for Uzi using AoE as a starting move, not her profile which doesn't matter because Sans dura negs anyway.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Comi asked for Uzi using AoE as a starting move, not her profile which doesn't matter because Sans dura negs anyway.

You don’t get to rewrite a character’s opening actions just because it benefits your outcome. If Uzi doesn’t canonically open with AoE, then it cannot be assumed as her standard move period. This isn't headcanon vs headcanon, it's about verifiable in-character behavior.

And "Sans dura negs anyway" is irrelevant unless he can act before being hit, which AoE timing and conditions directly affect. If you want to argue ability interaction, you first need to prove activation order and behavior consistency, not jump straight to result based logic.

 

[Comiphorous]

Uzi There is already a 3A ap = dura situation, bro sans can't even get over it

I'm going to go on a limb here and say that there in fact ISN'T a clip of uzi using their AOE as a starting move.

Voting sans, unless someone can provide that.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I'm going to go on a limb here and say that there in fact ISN'T a clip of uzi using their AOE as a starting move.

Voting sans, unless someone can provide that.

I'm going to push back on that the burden of proof lies on the one claiming that Uzi doesn't open with AoE, especially when multiple examples and patterns suggest otherwise.If you’re going to vote Sans based on that alone, you need to disprove the claim with actual footage, not just doubt it. Otherwise, this argument is running on pure assumption.Unless you can conclusively prove that AoE isn’t part of Uzi’s starting combat options which we have reason to believe it is voting against her on that basis isn’t valid.

 

[Comiphorous]

I'm going to push back on that the burden of proof lies on the one claiming that Uzi doesn't open with AoE, especially when multiple examples and patterns suggest otherwise.If you’re going to vote Sans based on that alone, you need to disprove the claim with actual footage, not just doubt it. Otherwise, this argument is running on pure assumption.Unless you can conclusively prove that AoE isn’t part of Uzi’s starting combat options which we have reason to believe it is voting against her on that basis isn’t valid.

If theres numerus examples post them here thats what i asked?????

 

[DaReaperMan]

You don’t get to rewrite a character’s opening actions just because it benefits your outcome. If Uzi doesn’t canonically open with AoE, then it cannot be assumed as her standard move period. This isn't headcanon vs headcanon, it's about verifiable in-character behavior.

All you had to say was "No, there isn't proof" and leave it at that.

And "Sans dura negs anyway" is irrelevant unless he can act before being hit, which AoE timing and conditions directly affect. If you want to argue ability interaction, you first need to prove activation order and behavior consistency, not jump straight to result based logic.

Sans has one singular fight in Undertale, his consistency is one singular sequence of attacks that if you've ever played Undertale, can gib players with over 90 HP in seconds. Uzi has 20 HP. She's getting mulched in less than a second.

I will ask again: with the Absolute Solver, what is Uzi's first move? Stop dancing around it, stop bullshitting, pull the FREE EPSIODE and show me Uzi using AoE first thing, and I'll vote for her. But don't try to bullshit me, because I will check.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

If theres numerus examples post them here thats what i asked?????

If you look at the character profile, you will understand lmao

 

[ArthurBeyy]

All you had to say was "No, there isn't proof" and leave it at that.

Sans has one singular fight in Undertale, his consistency is one singular sequence of attacks that if you've ever played Undertale, can gib players with over 90 HP in seconds. Uzi has 20 HP. She's getting mulched in less than a second.

I will ask again: with the Absolute Solver, what is Uzi's first move? Stop dancing around it, stop bullshitting, pull the FREE EPSIODE and show me Uzi using AoE first thing, and I'll vote for her. But don't try to bullshit me, because I will check.

You're asking for proof, and that's fair but you're also moving the goalpost. Uzi's combat consistency across multiple episodes shows that the Absolute Solver enables sudden AoE and wide-range destructive abilities once she engages, often early into combat.Demanding a frame-by-frame timestamp for “first move AoE” like it's a fighting game opener ignores narrative pacing and context. This isn't turn-based combat she doesn't need to flash AoE at the exact frame to make her destructive potential valid.If you're voting Sans purely on a durability neg interaction, that's fine. But don’t pretend Uzi doesn’t start with high-impact Solver use when provoked. We’ve seen her blitz, dismember, and corrupt enemies within seconds and just to be clear threatening to “check” doesn’t intimidate anyone. We’ve all watched the same show. Either engage in good faith or keep it civil.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You're asking for proof, and that's fair but you're also moving the goalpost. Uzi's combat consistency across multiple episodes shows that the Absolute Solver enables sudden AoE and wide-range destructive abilities once she engages, often early into combat.Demanding a frame-by-frame timestamp for “first move AoE” like it's a fighting game opener ignores narrative pacing and context. This isn't turn-based combat she doesn't need to flash AoE at the exact frame to make her destructive potential valid.If you're voting Sans purely on a durability neg interaction, that's fine. But don’t pretend Uzi doesn’t start with high-impact Solver use when provoked. We’ve seen her blitz, dismember, and corrupt enemies within seconds and just to be clear threatening to “check” doesn’t intimidate anyone. We’ve all watched the same show. Either engage in good faith or keep it civil.

Sans FRA.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Sans FRA.

Just dropping “Sans FRA” without engaging with the ongoing rebuttals isn’t contributing much. Multiple points have been raised about Uzi’s AoE potential, Absolute Solver scaling, and reactive feats that you’re glossing over. If you're voting, at least acknowledge the counterarguments or specify why you still side with Sans despite them Otherwise, it comes off as dismissive bandwagoning I'm vote Uzi

 

[Comiphorous]

If you look at the character profile, you will understand lmao

I'll take that as a no.

Looking through the profile, it does not appear Uzi even uses their strongest haxes like Blackhole creation on people at all and largely doesn't start with many of the haxes that would allow Uzi to immediately kill sans like this thread seems to imply. so i'll stick with voting for Sans for those reasons.

Just dropping “Sans FRA” without engaging with the ongoing rebuttals isn’t contributing much. Multiple points have been raised about Uzi’s AoE potential, Absolute Solver scaling, and reactive feats that you’re glossing over. If you're voting, at least acknowledge the counterarguments or specify why you still side with Sans despite them Otherwise, it comes off as dismissive bandwagoning I'm vote Uzi

We actively are attempting to but you are deciding not to answer questions nor provide proof. it is difficult to have an engaging rebuttal when you won't be engaging.