Sans vs Darkseid

[The_Wright_Way]

Speed equalized.


No preperation.


Victory by any means.


Neither Darkseid's true form nor anti life equation are available.


Takes place in a large indestructible purple void.


Round 1: Post flash point darkseid


Round 2: Post Crisis Darkseid


Round 3: Pre Crisis Darkseid


Darkseid 4


Sans 1


Stalemate 0



It's a beautiful day outside...

vs.

 

[Cropfist]

Darkseid via stamina and range. Also, Sans isn't dodging an Omega Beam.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Can the omega beam hit someone who can teleport?

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

And also gaster blaster sort of equalizes omega beams, and equally be used against darkseid.

 

[Cropfist]

Gaster blasters won't follow Darkseid when he tries to dodge them.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

true, but gaster blasters can be spammed, while omega beams are one contiuous attack.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm with Crop. Sans ain't dodging an Omega Beam, let alone all of that other hax he has.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

Ok, but batman has been seen to force omega beams out of the way by force of will.

 

[Cropfist]

PIS.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Ok, but batman has been seen to force omega beams out of the way by force of will.

Batman has plot shields. Sans does not. That's the only way to survive Omega Beams.

 

[PostmodernD]

Going with Darkseid. He has a decent stamina advantage and the Omega beams are a great Hax.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

Sans can Gaster Spam just as fast, and I I think Sans would be the most Determined thing in this universe, so he would have respawn capabilities, seeing as darkseid wants to dominate the universe and destroy the ability to make choices. Sans is in a genocide-like state, fighting a powerful enemy who aims to control everything.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sans hasn't respawned ever unless Chara/Frisk allowed it, and Gaster Blasters require a charge-up time.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

Not anymore. Speed was equalized.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That changes nothing about that.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

Ok. Saw the speed equalization thread and misunderstood it. But gaster blasters have been shown to be spammed. And the most Determined being in the universe at the time, Sans can respawn.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

As much as I love Sans, he's never respawned before, as he doesn't possess determination. Even Undyne (who is stronger than him) was only able to come back once, and she was already melting.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

Only the most determined being in a universe can respawn. In this case, he is the only one with Determination.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Monsters don't possess powerful SOULs, and therefore don't posssess determination (Undyne being a obvious exception, and look how well it turned out for her (R.I.P.). Kinda a big plot point of the game. Also, Frisk could respawn when Asriel was the most determined being.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

No, Frisk was still the most Determined one. Determined enough to pull hopes and dreams into existence, and to keep themselves alive while under a constant giant laser.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

God Flowey was more determined than Frisk, and Asriel was literally God Flowey + 1 (even though that somehow leads to ∞ jumps in power).

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also, Chara was the most determined by far, and Undyne was capable of respawning for a bit into a terrifyingly hard boss fight.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

The Sans boss fight was immensily harder, and Frisk literally turne Asriel Dreemurr boss fight into normal kid asriel.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Frisk didn't turn Asriel. Asriel realized what he was doing was wrong, and willingly gave up. Only person above Asriel in-verse is the Annoying Dog.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

And Frisk, who always has immense Derermination, high enough to prevent death, even more than just saving and loading.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah. Which proves that you don't have to be the most determined to respawn. Which makes the Sans respawning argument moot. Even then, he's never demonstrated it.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

Frisk did have higher determination at that point.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Also, Frisk could respawn when Asriel was the most determined being.

No, they couldn't. That was the point of the fight. The reason their SOUL kept going back together with a "But it refused" is because if Frisk DID allow Asriel to fully kill them, they couldn't come back, and Asriel would reset everything. Frisk was technically "dying", but only for a second, as their SOUL remained and brought them back almost immediately. If Frisk had died normally (as in, the way they do at every other part of the game), they would have lost.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

So yes, Frisk had high enough Determination to prevent death by Multiversal being.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I don't see how this is relevant when Sans can't respawn.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Ever's right.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

According to the lore, the most Determined being in the universe has the ability to respawn

 

[The_Wright_Way]

According to the lore, the most Determined being in the universe has the ability to respawn

No, only humans can do that. Undyne being the only exception to this.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

And flowey. And Asriel. And any other monster if they are determined.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Anything with DETERMINATION that has the most of it can respawn. Frisk, Flowey, Asriel, etc.

Sans does not have DETERMINATION.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

Why does he not? What is the proof?

 

[Promestein]

Sans never showed any use of Determination, even in a minor form, so we can't assume that he had it.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

He did not use determination in the classic sense, but he was very determined.

 

[Promestein]

That doesn't mean he has DETERMINATION.

 

[MegalovaniaBonetrousle]

Ok. Let's stop wasting hours saying whether sans can respawn or not at all.