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In the looney tunes show he dodged lasers from marvin/braniac and elmer/luthor.I said if Bugs eye laser is light speed not FTL. I guess he has probability manipulation too in his super form since he never had public problems like the real Superman (just joking on the last sentence):b
 
Thundereld said:
In the looney tunes show he dodged lasers from marvin/braniac and elmer/luthor.I said if Bugs eye laser is light speed not FTL.
I guess he has probability manipulation too in his super form since he never had public problems like the real Superman (just joking on the last sentence):b
yeah, used ftl by error.he didnt dodge the attacks of zod until he knew how strong they were though

and i can get a joke when i see one
 
Last i checked sans ignoring invincibility frames was an effect of karma, as rather than ignoring them karma removes them. I might be wrong and i will double check this later, but bugs has been hit in the soul before when he becomes a ghost. If i remember correctly when his ghost dies it also has a ghost in infinitem though that might be another loony toon i am thinking of.

As far as Karma goes i don't think bugs has ever actually permanently killed someone. As you can remove people from your LOVE (and levels) by simply going back to before they where killed.

Either way he can also dominate people like, so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy5f87-kI8c

I will post again when i find absolute proof for my claims it will take a bit though i am far more familiar with undertale than i am loony toons.
 
Sirbus said:
Last i checked sans ignoring invincibility frames was an effect of karma, as rather than ignoring them karma removes them. I might be wrong and i will double check this later, but bugs has been hit in the soul before when he becomes a ghost. If i remember correctly when his ghost dies it also has a ghost in infinitem though that might be another loony toon i am thinking of.
As far as Karma goes i don't think bugs has ever actually permanently killed someone. As you can remove people from your LOVE (and levels) by simply going back to before they where killed.

Either way he can also dominate people like, so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy5f87-kI8c

I will post again when i find absolute proof for my claims it will take a bit though i am far more familiar with undertale than i am loony toons.
no, hes 1 kr free dammage still ignores invincibility frames

kr is poison, not actual karma

were still using super bunny by battle assumptions
 
Right, but i thought the karma running down your back was the reason for the invincibility frames being gone, not the kr poison as that occurs regardless of wether you ever get hit or not. Sorry its been a bit since i mudered him i will have to double check some things.
 
Sirbus said:
Right, but i thought the karma running down your back was the reason for the invincibility frames being gone, not the kr poison as that occurs regardless of wether you ever get hit or not. Sorry its been a bit since i mudered him i will have to double check some things.
no problem
 
Ok, so I honestly can't confirm it, but going over the sans fight again I did discover a few things. First when looking through the effects of KARMA. According to the wiki's data mining It is the effect that reduces invincibility frames to zero. So in theory if you haven't murdered people, then its effects upon you should be diminished if not entirely gone.

2nd. It should also be noted that KR also drains slower the more invincibility frames you have.

3. As bugs has a ton of invincibility frames and even someone completely sloppy can avoid taking enough damage for instant lethality in the UnderTale battle to actively die from sans's first attack (draining to 1 hp is much more likely) Then wouldn't bugs win the initial trade? I know frisk and chara scale all the way up to universal+, but i presumed the hax nature of sans attacks didn't really take the durability of the opponent into account and werent more effective on weaker targets. (karma has a percent drain speed, not a static number as people have tested it with a level 1 character against sans through cheat engines.

http://undertale.wikia.com/wiki/Karmic_Retribution#KARMA

It isn't the best source, but its the only collection of data i could find that said anything actually definitive about how karmic justice works.

P.s. It is commented that the bone attack back stab is a garunteed kill, but it does have a set amount of damage it is just way over the chosen child's durability/hax resistance. I only bring this up because sans and bugs are both guilty of sparing their opponents into a trap. Though at killing a 2-B i think bugs's reality warping is the only thing that could spare him from the attack.
 
Okay, but that oly disproves statement 1 and only if that is just a given fact. The rest of my statements aren't wrong in that scenerio.

It should also be noted that sans doesn't negate all invincibility frames. If you equip the bonus items in the fight you actually do get some invinciblity frame and a hit reduction from 30 to 23. If this is the case then bugs might not be negated atleast entirely, because it would only scale up to the number of frames frisk/chara have naturally.
 
for number 3, bugs has no recistence so he gets oneshot pretty easly, as he doesnt have determination to keep him kicking

as for second , source

you have invincibility frames in all routs, not genocide only, so where does the lv increases invincibility frames?


and hacking is non canon.if it was asriel would have regen and frisk could be potentialy 2A attack that oneshotted all of asriels healt
 
I posted my source, it says so in the other wiki that was built from data miners. Lucky for you however i found a second source to coroborate my first.

http://uselessundertalefacts.tumblr...e-stuff-about-the-sans-fight-that-you-may-not

LV doesn't remove invincibility frames. KARMA removes invinciblity frames. The thing sans uses and the only fight in the game where you have 0 invincibility frames is in the KARMA fight. However in that fight items can still give you invinciblity frames and the number that is related to invinciblity frames also provably effects karma's drain speed. Proving that sans doesn't remove all invinciblity frames against his foes, but rather only the amount frisk/chara had at base when they fought him.

Next, the hacks simply prove that attack does an amount of damage. It would actually be easier to make an attack that goes on forever rather than one that eventually just stops, so a hacked hp bar can prove that sans can't just continously burn a surendered foe to death if they have enough soul hax resistance (though i am not saying bugs does.

Finally the hack for a level 1 to fight sans litterally is just there to prove that Karma has a percentile damage drain speed, not a static amount, so it is less effective against a weaker opponent.


Finally bugs has reality warped other peoples attacks before to say he can't do it here would be a feat of sans's resistance to reality warping (of which he has shown little to none) rather than bug's resistance to soul hax.

Either way, after going through all of the information anyone has bothered to post on the matter, playing the game again and killing sans myself, and analyzing sans character I have to vote bugs. Not for any of the reasons above, but because, i can't see any reason a non bloodlusted sans wouldn't let bugs take him for a ride like he does to elmer fudd on most episodes. The fight starts and bugs disappears and is replaced with a dancing toriel (bugs in a mask) who gets him to do the la cucaracha and carry a bomb until it exploads and sans is ko'd (because bugs wouldn't let him die). Or more simply bugs bfr's him through a similar comedic scenerio as a joke in an infinite hallway (I can think of atleast 1 that bugs doesn't have to create) and his teleportation/distance distortion can't save him as he has never teleported over a mile in distance. (biggest calc i could find for the underground calculated it to 8.15 acres.) https://aminoapps.com/c/undertale/p...he-underground/aoVS_0u6mdVvgRoKnZvnEbGNeE2pPZ

sry for the word polution. This is my last comment on this as wether or not i have swayed everyone i think i have made more than my case.
 
I agree with sirbus and bugs cuold really just transmute or give life to sans attacks just like he does with elmer's bullets
 
other wikis cant be used as sorce and data mining is non canon. and bugs has no invincibilty frames

it does NOT affect karma draining effect. and when do equipment giveinvincibility frames? the only one that prolongs them didnt work

hacks are noncanon

HACKS ARE NOT CANON

he only did it with phisical attacks, not magic and he cant do that in his super form which we are using here

sans is eloodlusted by default, as he only fights bloodluste, and he does not have a toriel mask, he has no prior knowlege. charactes always go for the kill, so no KOs. this is SUPER bugs were using, as its his highest tier form, by extension we can only use his feats, not a composiite bugs feats.
 
@Ricsi-viragosi

Everyone has his/her own battle assumptions.Probably Sirbus and thunder were thinking that bugs would start in base form,so do i.The people main argument people have is that does take his fight seriously.That's because he in a comedy cartoon,not stuck undergroud in a battle to the death with a demon.If bugs is in a life death situation like this vs debate,he would rather use the ability that would sve him rather than dying. Bugs has killed people for things like this or this. I see this battle going like this,sans throws bones at bugs,which he dodges.Bugs would say"you know this means war ".Sans would just soul grab bugs and throw him to a zone surronded by gaster blasters.Then there would be a big explosion,but bugs is inside sans' clothes and sans doesn't know that.Bugs leaves a dynamite leaves sans clothes and kisses him than BAM.GAME OVER sans.that makes 5 votes for sans and 4 for bugs or 5 if 9spaceking too.
 
Fireld said:
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no, there are rules that point out battle assumptions and we go by those

and all his character fllaws stay, so how would he know hes in a lifee death scenario? for all he knows his enemy cant even hurt him, something that his highest tier form does tend to presime
 
where does it say sans is bloodlusted, last i checked bloodlusted has to be specified unless its specified in their page they are always bloodlusted.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bloodlust

Sans doesn't fit the definition of bloodlusted. He goes for the kill in the one fight he fights in, but even then he thinks creatively and uses his powers in unique ways. Despite what the game says sans's gaster wheel is far more damaging then his turn one and is much closer to a strongest attack.

To add further insult to injury. Bug's has manipulated characters who both are and aren't bloodlusted and posses's mind control

Also while people are generally fighting to the death in these battles, BFR can be accepted. Given sans has never shown to teleport through dimensions or through spaces larger than the underground bugs and super bugs both have means of BFR from ranges outside what he has ever teleported before.

I actually linked to someone who proved those items do give invincibility frames and that they do work meaning some form of intangibility works, though no one has proven bugs has that, it should be listed in sans's profile.

Finally bugs has attacks with notably higher range than sans and he can only dodge about 30 times. Given sans' range has never been shown to be larger than a hallway and Chara was melee range bugs can likely stand outside of sans's attack range and shoot him with lasers. Countering teleportation with teleportation.

This is all ignoring that bugs is now ftl making this a huge stomp unless speed equalized.
 
Some characters are naturally bloodlusted, and act this way in their own fictional continuity.

sans is always bloodlusted as his first attack is already going all out. and he fits it perfectly: Bloodlust refers to a state where a character is fighting without any inhibitions, and cares about nothing other than defeating the enemy.

they only take hits if they are more likely to win because of it

not super bugs, which is what were using, and bugs tanks even if peapole are weaker than him in supe form

super bugs never really bfred right away

why? in his page it says :


  • KARMA: Whatever is struck by one of Sans' attacks. It essentially functions as poison damage for one's soul.
sans can dodge over 120 gun shots. and bugs gets oneshotted
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Some characters are naturally bloodlusted, and act this way in their own fictional continuity.
sans is always bloodlusted as his first attack is already going all out. and he fits it perfectly: Bloodlust refers to a state where a character is fighting without any inhibitions, and cares about nothing other than defeating the enemy.

they only take hits if they are more likely to win because of it

not super bugs, which is what were using, and bugs tanks even if peapole are weaker than him in supe form

super bugs never really bfred right away

why? in his page it says :


  • KARMA: Whatever is struck by one of Sans' attacks. It essentially functions as poison damage for one's soul.
sans can dodge over 120 gun shots. and bugs gets oneshotted
Okay- what..?


May I remind that Bugs has plot manipulation? If KARMA is ever involved- he can always make the tables turn on Sans himself..
 
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