Serlock_Holmes
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Do we have proof he negates the armor and attacks don't juss pass through it?
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Sans Vs a Harem King?
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Frisk can reduce damage by using armor and this is showned throughout the game
Sans can straight up negate that by bypassing the armor stats regardless of how durable they are (Heart locked is a good example which has 99 Defense stats)
Fezzih_007
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Barriers ≠ Amor trought.
Serlock_Holmes
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Yes but if he can bypass the armor then he doesn't need to have Dura negation to begin with.
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Barriers have durability which Sans can straight up ignore it
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Humans take Soul attacks as physical attacks
Fezzih_007
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When he ignore the durability of a barrier? A armor is not the same thing. And also-
He give 1 demage anyway, it don't really matter how many durability his armor give him, since it can't fully negate the demage. So is not him ignoring armor durabilty, and is him just giving one demage.
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He can't
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I'm not saying he negated barriers In-Game, I'm saying barriers normally have durability, Which Sans can negate
Shido not having resistence to SOUL manipulation makes him have 20 HP which Sans will kill him in seconds if he gets hit even once
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Like i said, Barriers have durability, Sans can ignore them regardless of how durable they are, Besides he has intangible attacks
Intangible attacks ≠ Spiritual attacks (aka soul attacks)
Fezzih_007
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I talking about the same thing, i saying he don't negate armor durability, so he would't be able to negate the barrier.
Not that ever show Shido barrier being broken anyway.
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He negates Armor's durability, He literally bypasses Heart locket's 99 Defense stats
Fezzih_007
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He not bypassing the Hearts locket defense stats, he just giving 1 demage to Frisk, he don't need to bypass to do that.
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He does 1 damage because his stats is literally 1 ATK
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Plasma and lightning attacks are already intangible attacks to begin with let alone spiritual ones
Fezzih_007
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Yeah, i know.
So? Is still him not bypass the durability of the Armor.
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Yeah, But they don't have dura neg, Do they?
He is bypassing them, Otherwise he would be doing 0 Damage .-.
Fezzih_007
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Dura neg =/= negging all kinds of barriers.
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Barrier's have durability
Shido can't defend an attack from a Low 2-C, Can he?
Sans can bypass that via dura neg
Fezzih_007
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He can't, no. He need to show him bypassing a barrier durability to do so.
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There ya have it then, Sans can bypass the barrier's Durability with Karma which is dura neg
Fezzih_007
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Karma just work in Soul, lol.
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It also negates armor, Otherwise Frisk's heart locket would be useful
Fezzih_007
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Man, I think we gonna be repeating ourselfs is this continue.
Like again, Frisk Heart Locket don't negate demage, Sans can still harm him. Is not him negating armor.
And a armor is not a barrier anyway, just because It have a durability, It don't mean Sans can negate without showing him negating Shido barriers durability.
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Agreed XD
Fezzih_007
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I guess we can wait for the votes then.
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Yeah
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Karma only takes affect if Sans actually hits his opponent. Which is easy in undertale because of the game mechanics of how armor works. They basically just provide you with spiritual durability, rather than making you untouchable.
He can't hit Shido because his attacks are blocked by a barrier that surrounds him at all times.
Sans being able to hit Frisk while he has armor on is not the same thing.
For example, here:
Attack -> Person with armor on. The attack is actually hitting the person, they just have higher defense due to the armor they're wearing.
Attack -> Barrier | Person. The attack is not even hitting the person at all because there's a barrier around them.
To top it off, it is also stated in the Monster Physiology page that the soul manipulation durability negation is limited and can not affect those of significantly higher durability.
He can't hit Shido because his attacks are blocked by a barrier that surrounds him at all times.
Sans being able to hit Frisk while he has armor on is not the same thing.
For example, here:
Attack -> Person with armor on. The attack is actually hitting the person, they just have higher defense due to the armor they're wearing.
Attack -> Barrier | Person. The attack is not even hitting the person at all because there's a barrier around them.
To top it off, it is also stated in the Monster Physiology page that the soul manipulation durability negation is limited and can not affect those of significantly higher durability.
Eden_Warlock99
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That doesn't apply to sans
If it did, lad wouldn't be able to beat anyone above 9-A
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That requires extraordinary proof.
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Bump?
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Last Bump?
RoggerReggor
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Like what are you going to do after this one?
Fezzih_007
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I mean, Shido wins this pretty handily, because of the range.
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Man idkLike what are you going to do after this one?
RoggerReggor
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Seems legit.Man idk
