Sans bypasses LS crt (yes again)

[King_Dom470]

Im doing this again because I thought of an argument that I think actually makes sense for this:

Let’s say you have telekinesis and can only lift 300 lbs like that’s your limit. So you go over to try and tk a guy who weighs 200 lbs but can lift 400 lbs obviously you should be able to lift him because that’s not how tk works. Even if sans is fighting someone like Superman he should be able to lift him because Superman probably doesn’t weigh a ridiculous amount. On the other hand someone like Godzilla could probably resist it because he weighs so much. So yeah

 

[Ikelaggan]

This ye old thread practically explains it better, but yeah LS isn't really a big factor on the opponents side unless they're able to fly to have some form of leverage.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Was this ever rejected? This is something that applies to every TK user. I think I might revise the TK page to add this so we have a standard

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Im doing this again because I thought of an argument that I think actually makes sense for this:

Let’s say you have telekinesis and can only lift 300 lbs like that’s your limit. So you go over to try and tk a guy who weighs 200 lbs but can lift 400 lbs obviously you should be able to lift him because that’s not how tk works. Even if sans is fighting someone like Superman he should be able to lift him because Superman probably doesn’t weigh a ridiculous amount. On the other hand someone like Godzilla could probably resist it because he weighs so much. So yeah

Of course the opponent can't fight against the Tk if he can't apply leverage to something. If he can though he can resist it. So Superman would resist it because he can fly with force exceeding that much weight.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Im doing this again because I thought of an argument that I think actually makes sense for this:

Let’s say you have telekinesis and can only lift 300 lbs like that’s your limit. So you go over to try and tk a guy who weighs 200 lbs but can lift 400 lbs obviously you should be able to lift him because that’s not how tk works. Even if sans is fighting someone like Superman he should be able to lift him because Superman probably doesn’t weigh a ridiculous amount. On the other hand someone like Godzilla could probably resist it because he weighs so much. So yeah

If Superman lets him, sure. When TK lifts someone, it means that the character is overcoming the resulting interaction between two masses, as described by gravity. Sans would never lift Superman because Superman's own exerted force trounces his. If the character can't do anything in the air once lifted, that is a different story. On the other hand any character with better LS than Sans would resist the TK, but less so for those incapable of flight. Characters that can't fly would still be able to flail their limbs with better LS, though.

 

[Planck69]

This is something that's a default assumption for Telekinesis users, I dunno why you bothered making a CRT for Sans. If a character can't provide leverage, he'll be lifted by his opponent.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

This is something that's a default assumption for Telekinesis users, I dunno why you bothered making a CRT for Sans. If a character can't provide leverage, he'll be lifted by his opponent.

Feels weird because he pointed Superman as an example...

 

[Planck69]

Feels weird because he pointed Superman as an example...

Yeah, that was an awful example. Any Flight user can provide their own leverage so it'd still come down to lifting strength for them.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Yeah, that was an awful example. Any Flight user can provide their own leverage so it'd still come down to lifting strength for them.

I think that's a really good demonstration of this. Around the 2 minute mark.

 

[Ikelaggan]

This is something that's a default assumption for Telekinesis users, I dunno why you bothered making a CRT for Sans. If a character can't provide leverage, he'll be lifted by his opponent.

You'd be surprised how much that logic doesn't get applied in vs matches.

 

[Planck69]

You'd be surprised how much that logic doesn't get applied in vs matches.

It should. People can just get very tunnel-visioned about their characters.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

You'd be surprised how much that logic doesn't get applied in vs matches.

What irked me was the example given.

Even if sans is fighting someone like Superman he should be able to lift him because Superman probably doesn’t weigh a ridiculous amount.

That's literally the worst character possible to make a point. Supes can stuff Sans TK into his ribcage. Someone like Juggernaut or Luke Cage would be a better example.

 

[Hypertornado099]

I'm going to ask a mod to close this thread. However I will make a CRT so we can add a note to the Telekinesis page to explain our standards on this if no one else does before me