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Both are Low 4-C
Freeza starts in his Final Form
Samus has her PED Suit
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Freeza starts in his Final Form
Samus has her PED Suit
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Samus vs Freeza
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ABoogieYesSir
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Samus should take this via scan visor, phasedrift, and Stellar AOE ice beam.
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Samus FRA
Samus has more variety to take Freeza down. If Freeza tries to take Samus up to space to fight, cause one can breath and move around easier than the other, Samus can blast a charge shoot to his head.
Samus has more variety to take Freeza down. If Freeza tries to take Samus up to space to fight, cause one can breath and move around easier than the other, Samus can blast a charge shoot to his head.
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This BoS Freeza, right?
ABoogieYesSir
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Final Form Frieza (Dragon Ball Z)
And Samus would beat Frieza since she beat Mewtwo.
And Samus would beat Frieza since she beat Mewtwo.
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Unless anyone would be willing to show some kind of statistic for Frieza, he gets one shot because I can only assume baseline while Samus scales above 64 tenatons, so she pretty much one shots.
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Why would beating Mewtwo mean that Samus could beat Frieza? They're not even in the same tier. Oh by the way, Samus FRAABoogieYesSir said:
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No votes. This is an AP Stomp until anyone can actually tell me if Frieza can hurt Samus since I don't know what his AP is.
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Samus is 64 Tenatons?
Using Power Levels
Freeza First form is 1.7 Tenatons.
First Form Freeza has a power level (Yes, power level) of 530,000.
Super Saiyan Goku has a power level of 150,000,000.
Difference of 283.018867925x
So 283.018867925 x 1.7 = 481.132075472 Tenatons.
Although by this metric, Freeza should be Star Level.
Still, even halving the value above, we get a result in the 200 Tenatons range which is still Star Level and not Small/Dwarf Star Level.
Without using power levels, we have to "guesstimate" I guess.
Freeza in his first form casually performs a 1.7 Tenatons feat.
Skipping pretty much all of Namek Saga, we can just say for argument's sake that Goku in his base form is equal to First Form Freeza.
Using Kaiokenx20, Goku would have an AP of 34 Tenatons. 50% Freeza is superior to Kaiokenx20 Goku.
100% Freeza is 2x 50% Freeza so he'd have an AP of 68 Tenatons at the very least and unquantifiably above it by quite a large margin.
Again this is absolutely ignoring every bit of scaling there is in Namek Saga so this value should in all honesty be much, MUCH higher.
Pretty much, factors that are ignored are:
Using Power Levels
Freeza First form is 1.7 Tenatons.
First Form Freeza has a power level (Yes, power level) of 530,000.
Super Saiyan Goku has a power level of 150,000,000.
Difference of 283.018867925x
So 283.018867925 x 1.7 = 481.132075472 Tenatons.
Although by this metric, Freeza should be Star Level.
Still, even halving the value above, we get a result in the 200 Tenatons range which is still Star Level and not Small/Dwarf Star Level.
Without using power levels, we have to "guesstimate" I guess.
Freeza in his first form casually performs a 1.7 Tenatons feat.
Skipping pretty much all of Namek Saga, we can just say for argument's sake that Goku in his base form is equal to First Form Freeza.
Using Kaiokenx20, Goku would have an AP of 34 Tenatons. 50% Freeza is superior to Kaiokenx20 Goku.
100% Freeza is 2x 50% Freeza so he'd have an AP of 68 Tenatons at the very least and unquantifiably above it by quite a large margin.
Again this is absolutely ignoring every bit of scaling there is in Namek Saga so this value should in all honesty be much, MUCH higher.
Pretty much, factors that are ignored are:
- Goku when he fought Freeza is at least equal to 3rd form Freeza, not first form
- Freeza performed his 1.7 Tenaton feat absolutely casually, not at 100%
- Goku using Kaiokenx20 only barely scratched 50% Freeza's hand let alone being equal to him
- The gaps between First form, 2nd Form, 3rd form and 4th Form
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From the moment we start to guesstimate with power levels, we are running into some very big issues, so we obviously won't even approach that.
Second method is the best, it seems.
But no, he really doesn't have it. Samus scales from Dark Samus, who tanked that explosion while beaten and half dead already, then Samus scales a fair bit above her. So at the very least they are rather equal.
Second method is the best, it seems.
But no, he really doesn't have it. Samus scales from Dark Samus, who tanked that explosion while beaten and half dead already, then Samus scales a fair bit above her. So at the very least they are rather equal.
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"But no, he really doesn't have it. Samus scales from Dark Samus, who tanked that explosion while beaten and half dead already, then Samus scales a fair bit above her. So at the very least they are rather equal."
Don't see how that's at all equal to the factors that I've brought up. Especially given the fact that Base Goku would scale to 3rd form Freeza, not first form. Assuming 3rd form Freeza is "only" 2x stronger than first form, it'd cause Goku to be 3.4 Tenatons in base and Kaiokenx20 would clock him in at 68 Tenatons alone. 100% Freeza would then be 136 Tenatons - Literally .066 Tenatons away from straight up 4-C.
See? One small addition to the method immediately gives Freeza an insane AP Advantage - the 68 Tenatons that's brought up is, while probably would be the most accepted on here, is an absolutely insane downplay on how actually strong Freeza should be.
Don't see how that's at all equal to the factors that I've brought up. Especially given the fact that Base Goku would scale to 3rd form Freeza, not first form. Assuming 3rd form Freeza is "only" 2x stronger than first form, it'd cause Goku to be 3.4 Tenatons in base and Kaiokenx20 would clock him in at 68 Tenatons alone. 100% Freeza would then be 136 Tenatons - Literally .066 Tenatons away from straight up 4-C.
See? One small addition to the method immediately gives Freeza an insane AP Advantage - the 68 Tenatons that's brought up is, while probably would be the most accepted on here, is an absolutely insane downplay on how actually strong Freeza should be.
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It really doesn't matter.
Dark Samus took the blast while extremely weakened after Samus had just beaten her, on the verge of dying and came out of it without much issue. Assuming absolute lowball, this could quite easily put her 2 times above it. Samus scales above this. So they are pretty equal.
Dark Samus took the blast while extremely weakened after Samus had just beaten her, on the verge of dying and came out of it without much issue. Assuming absolute lowball, this could quite easily put her 2 times above it. Samus scales above this. So they are pretty equal.
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To my knowledge, durability in Metroid doesn't scale to whether you're conscious or willing to put up defenses like in Dragon Ball. Whether you're half-dead or not wouldn't change the fact that you're durable enough to take the hit.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
So I'm not sure why Dark Samus taking the hit as near-death or weakened would bump up her durability like in Dragon Ball where durability indeed fluctuates?
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... I really hope you are joking. If you are half dead, you are not gonna take hits like normal. That'd be like expecting a worn out building to be as durable as a new one of similar of similar construction.
That isn't simply a dragon Ball thing. It's never been a dragon ball thing.
That isn't simply a dragon Ball thing. It's never been a dragon ball thing.
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Well yes and no. Think about this, the whole point in Dragon Ball is that at full power and tons of ki, weaker attacks would simply have no effect on the average warrior but when they lose ki due to being weakened in battle, weaker attacks are more likely to deal much more damage results. But that's not really the same everywhere else. Ex: Is a pillow going to hurt you more now that you have a gaping hole in your chest?LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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Your example really doesn't work. If you are normally even just 9-A but weakened, something so far below you like a pillow is not gonna do anything no matter what.
But being that damaged still means you aren't at full health, so you don't tank stuff as well. Otherwise, you lot better start making a big revisionist CRT because many characters scale above feats resisted or done while heavily injured/out of energy. That Dragon Ball is much more prominent because of ki does not, again, make it a Dragon Ball thing.
But being that damaged still means you aren't at full health, so you don't tank stuff as well. Otherwise, you lot better start making a big revisionist CRT because many characters scale above feats resisted or done while heavily injured/out of energy. That Dragon Ball is much more prominent because of ki does not, again, make it a Dragon Ball thing.
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