Saitama vs Mumen Rider

[Phoenks]

9-B versions

Speed not equal.

Saitama: 3

Mumen Rider: 7

 

[SpookyShadow]

Mumen Rider via actual combat experience

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Justice Crash

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Mumen Rider via Self Boost with Epic Speech, Super Durability (Got his face completly destroyed by Garou) and He's the best that's why

 

[Phoenks]

Alright that's 2 or 3 for mumen.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Something to consider is that Mumen Rider passed the hero test.

Saitama at this point wouldn't pass it at all, he barely passed it as a god level human.

 

[Bob8999]

this version of saitama has plenty of expierience his first ┬¿fight┬¿ when he was twelve aginst some bulleys, then against the pig monster, then later he fights crablante and decides to be a hero, he then proceeds to fights tons of diffrent monsters and people most of this is shown in the ova´s and bonus chapters etc. and i would imagine adult saitama is stronger and more durable than his 12 year old self and he can still harm those that can harm him so his ap and durability are pretty good (mumen scales to 12 year old saitama.) the garou thing shouldnt really count as garou never killed anyone and subconsiously held back against all his human opponents, and yet despite that he still put mumen in the hospital for several days (at minimum.). and saitama almost failed because he´s an idiot, nothing to do with his physical abilities and saitama at this point (pre-training.) can easily compete with and bring down wolf and tiger level threats.

 

[Phoenks]

Bob are you voting for saitama?

 

[Bob8999]

sure

 

[Epiccheev]

is pre-training saitama strictly after his fight with crablante (before his training) or does it encompass saitama while in training?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Maybe there should be more keys for in training Saitama.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

this version of saitama has plenty of expierience his first ┬¿fight┬¿ when he was twelve aginst some bulleys the against the pig monster, then later he fights crablante and decides to be a hero, he then proceeds to fights tons of diffrent monsters and people most of this is shown in the ova´s and bonus chapters etc. and i would imagine adult saitama is stronger and more durable than his 12 year old self and he can still harm those that can harm him so his ap and durability are pretty good (mumen scales to 12 year old saitama.) the garou thing shouldnt really count as garou never killed anyone and subconsiously held back against all his human opponents, and yet despite that he still put mumen in the hospital for several days (at minimum.). and saitama almost failed because he´s an idiot, nothing to do with his physical abilities and saitama at this point (pre-training.) can easily compete with and bring down wolf and tiger level threats.

Crablante was his first monster

 

[Jinsye]

Mumen for the same reasons I said in the previous thread

More durable, more intelligent, and has a bicycle

 

[Bob8999]

this version of saitama has plenty of expierience his first ┬¿fight┬¿ when he was twelve aginst some bulleys the against the pig monster, then later he fights crablante and decides to be a hero, he then proceeds to fights tons of diffrent monsters and people most of this is shown in the ova´s and bonus chapters etc. and i would imagine adult saitama is stronger and more durable than his 12 year old self and he can still harm those that can harm him so his ap and durability are pretty good (mumen scales to 12 year old saitama.) the garou thing shouldnt really count as garou never killed anyone and subconsiously held back against all his human opponents, and yet despite that he still put mumen in the hospital for several days (at minimum.). and saitama almost failed because he´s an idiot, nothing to do with his physical abilities and saitama at this point (pre-training.) can easily compete with and bring down wolf and tiger level threats.

Crablante was his first monster

the first monster he beats. the pig knocked him out for an hour.

 

[Phoenks]

1 saitama

4 mumen rider

 

[Demon_Takumo_31]

Mummen rider FRA

 

[Bob8999]

how exactly is mumen more durable?

 

[DeathNoodles]

Uh, how does Mumen Rider even have more actual combat experience than Saitama again? Last I've checked, Mumen Rider lost all in all on-screen fights he participated in, and I don't recall him actually winning in any fights. I doubt that's what makes him have more "combat experience".

At least for Pre-bald Saitama, we actually see him fighting and winning in some fights he participated in.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Yeah I don't see Mumen winning this so voting Saitama via more experience

 

[DeathNoodles]

Eh, since I have yet to see solid reasons for why Mumen Rider supposedly has more combat experience than Saitama (and why he is supposed to be more durable than Pre-Bald Saitama, who has been fighting and defeating Wolf and Tiger threats in-training before he became bald, whereas all Mumen Rider does is losing and getting downed by enemies above his weight class), I'll just vote for Saitama winning with actual combat experience via actually winning in the fights he participated in.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Isn't this key literally just the version of Saitama that fought Crablante?

 

[DeathNoodles]

I don't recall Saitama being any more powerful than 9-B when he still has hair. That still doesn't change the fact that Saitama has actually won a fight. Mumen Rider didn't won in any fights (especially on-screen ones), last I've checked.

Edit: Mumen Rider succeeding in the hero written test, where Saitama has not, is also irrelevant. Last I've checked, the written test is supposed to assess the candidate's "sense of justice". I'm pretty sure writing out on how good of a guy you are has nothing to do with actual combat.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

There is a side chapter where Saitama with hair one shots a demon level and breaks through the same missile proof shelter that Deep Sea King did.

 

[DeathNoodles]

There is a side chapter where Saitama with hair one shots a demon level and breaks through the same missile proof shelter that Deep Sea King did.

We really need an "in-training" Saitama key.

Still doesn't change the fact that Mumen Rider hasn't won in any on-screen fights, so his supposed "combat experience" does him little good here. At least for Pre-training Saitama, he defeated a Tiger level threat, and fought a bunch of bullies when he was younger.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Didn't Saitama get his ass kicked by those bullies.

Also ONE explicitly stated Saitama got lucky vs Crablante by exploiting his weak spot.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I agree we need an in training Saitama key tho.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Didn't Saitama get his ass kicked by those bullies.

Also ONE explicitly stated Saitama got lucky vs Crablante by exploiting his weak spot.

Doesn't matter if he got his ass kicked, Mumen Rider got his ass kicked in all of the fights he participated in as well iirc.

Doesn't change the fact that he still won that. If anything, that shows that even Pre-Training Saitama is clever enough to come up with a way to exploit weak points. That is a feat for Saitama. Mumen Rider... I don't recall Mumen Rider actually do such things, all I see him do is run or throw his bike over people and tackle them from what I can recall.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Doesn't matter if he got his ass kicked, Mumen Rider got his ass kicked in all of the fights he participated in as well iirc.

It does matter. Getting beat up by bullies isn't combat experience. lol

Mumen Rider faces opponents way out of his league but he can hurt weaker monsters according to the audiobooks.

 

[DeathNoodles]

It does matter. Getting beat up by bullies isn't combat experience. lol

Mumen Rider faces opponents way out of his league but he can hurt weaker monsters according to the audiobooks.

Mumen Rider getting beat up and losing in his fights isn't combat experience either. And Saitama losing to those bullies was when he was younger, when he was 12 years old from what I can recall. Saitama beating Crablante was when he was 22 years old.

"Hurt" weaker monsters, did the keyword say that he "beat/defeat" them? Because I'm pretty sure it could be said that Saitama "hurt" weaker monsters such as Crablante as well (though Saitama actually defeated Crablante in this case, even if it's through ripping out Crablante's eye socket).

Though we can both agree that "in-training" Saitama craps all over Mumen Rider in both records of victories and actual combat experience at least, nevermind the AP.

 

[Epiccheev]

In-training Saitama is Garou, except without the skill and funky hair, but with all the guts.

 

[Phoenks]

3-5 now I think.

 

[Phoenks]

Tetsucabrah did u vote for mumen or no?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

My vote counts towards Mumen, yeah.

Provided this is specifically the Saitama that fought Crablante and not the one that's started his training already.

 

[IIkugelblitzII]

Mumen Rider FRA

 

[ElixirBlue]

I'm a simple person.

Mumen Rider via bike FRA

 

[Phoenks]

Grace

 

[ElixirBlue]

Mumen Rider is the most chivalrous hero is OPM despite being the weakest (not counting other C class).

 

[IIkugelblitzII]

Mumen Rider is the most chivalrous hero is OPM despite being the weakest (not counting other C class).

To be honest I'd say he's better than a lot of B class heroes, he's even displayed better feats than some A class heroes.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I hope Mumen Rider gets some training from Tank Top Master. Though, Tank Top Master is honestly looking to be the weakest S class right now. ƒÿÆ

 

[SpookyShadow]

Mumen can always learn WSRSF from Bang