Saitama vs John Cena (One Punch Man vs WWE)

[RandomGuy2345]

if he's having a lot of emotions he will also become stronger

Damn I forgot about that factor too

 

[Rikimarox2]

how he's going to incap Saitama? And no, he doesnt need to be stomped to grow in strength, if he's having a lot of emotions he will also become stronger

Choking him jokes aside, if he gets the power boost even from emotions, then I don't really see a wincon for Cena. Cena is just a chill guy without any insta kills, so Saitama would body him eventually.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Okay so how can a "chill guy" like Cena evoke a burst of strong emotions out of Saitama?

 

[azontr]

Any arguments on how Saitama bypasses Cena's tier 1 layered invisibility (due to nobody being able to see him) ?????

 

[Bernkastelll]

Okay so how can a "chill guy" like Cena evoke a burst of strong emotions out of Saitama?

the emotions of having a cool battle.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Any arguments on how Saitama bypasses Cena's tier 1 layered invisibility (due to nobody being able to see him) ?????

He doesn't

 

[Rikimarox2]

Okay so how can a "chill guy" like Cena evoke a burst of strong emotions out of Saitama?

I'd assume getting beaten due to skill will evoke quite a bit of emotion. Or just the guy enjoying the fight, Saitama is weird, man.

Any arguments on how Saitama bypasses Cena's tier 1 layered invisibility (due to nobody being able to see him) ?????

Good point. Cena FRA.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

the emotions of having a cool battle.

Honestly real asf

In all seriousness we should have a genuine discussion if Cena can give Saitama a hard enough challenge to where he surpasses his limits

 

[RandomGuy2345]

So from a pure physical standpoint (AP, SS, Dura, etc.), would Cena make Saitama surpass his limits?

 

[azontr]

Cena's sitting at an AP disadvantage here, and it takes a pretty tough battle to go through limit-breaks in OPM iirc.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Cena's sitting at an AP disadvantage here, and it takes a pretty tough battle to go through limit-breaks in OPM iirc.

Being in a ~1.8x disadvantage in a fight like this would specifically hurt Cena a lot since this will be a hand-to-hand fight

If Cena had any range options, then the AP gap wouldn't be too big of a deal, but Cena has to rely on his skill to overcome the gap, and trust me, whenever he does take a punch, it will hurt

 

[azontr]

Saitama's not packing very much in terms of combat skills in this particular key, so while I'm rusty on the WWE skill slop, I'm confident Cena would have an upper hand if we're talking technique, which should help him when he realizes the strength gap.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

What about Cena's Social Influencing any chance that can come into play?

Saitama's not packing very much in terms of combat skills in this particular key, so while I'm rusty on the WWE skill slop, I'm confident Cena would have an upper hand if we're talking technique, which should help him when he realizes the strength gap.

Yes, but Saitama has an AP advantage.

 

[Bernkastelll]

What about Cena's Social Influencing any chance that can come into play?

Saitama resist sheer Empathic Manipulation and Mind Manipulation, I don't really think his Social Influencing will give good results

 

[DavidTPPM]

Last time I checked John Cena had AE type 7 due to being in the Fred Movie which was a fever dream so Saitama can't even interact with him

 

[Tural2004]

How is Cena supposed to win here? Saitama already has strength advantage, his supernatural willpower is much better and his AD will make things worse. Cena would need to kill him instantly and mere skill advantage isn't remotely enough to do it. Especially considering Saitama isn't half-bad when it comes to street smarts. Voting for Saitama.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Ya boy is sleepy so I'll wake up and see if chaos ensued or not

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Saitama fra

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Yep changing my vote, Saitama FRA.

 

[ShionAH]

Saitama FRA

 

[Robo432343]

Cena fra

 

[Kachon123]

In this key, Saitama's body is in a state where his body is constantly at its limit due to training. This allows him to grow at incredible rates with very little stimulation such as becoming faster in the middle of his runs (similar to Garou) and growing to Rel+ because he wanted to see a bald spot on the back of his head through a mirror. Against Cena it's only a matter of time before Saitama pulls a Garou and explodes in power out of nowhere.

As for LS, Saitama is definitely superior. His steps cause shoe-sized craters to be left behind and him jumping completely destroyed a car. I consider that far more impressive than struggling to flip over a car or pulling apart a chain.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

In this key, Saitama's body is in a state where his body is constantly at its limit due to training. This allows him to grow at incredible rates with very little stimulation such as becoming faster in the middle of his runs (similar to Garou) and growing to Rel+ because he wanted to see a bald spot on the back of his head through a mirror. Against Cena it's only a matter of time before Saitama pulls a Garou and explodes in power out of nowhere.

I NEVER seen this in any 9-B During Training Saitama

If his body is constantly at its limit (which completely contradicts the arguments earlier that Saitama needs to be pushed to his limits in order to surpass them), then how does Cena stand a chance here?

As for LS, Saitama is definitely superior. His steps cause shoe-sized craters to be left behind and him jumping completely destroyed a car. I consider that far more impressive than struggling to flip over a car or pulling apart a chain.

Isn't that AP as opposed to LS?

 

[Kachon123]

which completely contradicts the arguments earlier that Saitama needs to be pushed to his limits in order to surpass them

Saitama's whole gimmick is that he keeps pushing himself further and further. His body is already at a hyper-vulnerable state which is what allows him to grow so much from his daily training. Further stimulation such as getting oneshot would just cause him to grow even more. This is supported even by Saitama's latest keys where he does grow day-to-day, just at a faster rate when given more to work with.

 

[Kachon123]

Isn't that AP as opposed to LS?

Considering it was him pressing down on the car's hood with his legs that caused the car to stop and wheels to break, it would be LS.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Saitama's whole gimmick is that he keeps pushing himself further and further. His body is already at a hyper-vulnerable state which is what allows him to grow so much from his daily training. Further stimulation such as getting oneshot would just cause him to grow even more. This is supported even by Saitama's latest keys where he does grow day-to-day, just at a faster rate when given more to work with.

Okay but you're mentioning oneshots when Cena is physically inferior to Saitama, so is there a way for Cena to push Saitama to grow even more during the fight?

Considering it was him pressing down on the car's hood with his legs that caused the car to stop and wheels to break, it would be LS.

So what LS level would this be around then? Because both Cena and Saitama are both labeled as "At least Superhuman", so at best it's a very vague advantage, as the value required to be Superhuman is >545.2 KG. There's no specifically given value there.

 

[Kachon123]

Okay but you're mentioning oneshots when Cena is physically inferior to Saitama, so is there a way for Cena to push Saitama to grow even more during the fight?

My point is that Saitama will be growing regardless. Not to oneshot levels like he did against Light Pull Cord, but to a noticeable degree to where I doubt Cena's skill would play a big factor.

So what LS level would this be around then? Because both Cena and Saitama are both labeled as "At least Superhuman", so at best it's a very vague advantage, as the value required to be Superhuman is >545.2 KG. There's no specifically given value there.

Again, Saitama can fight monsters that easily flip over and bust entire trucks and he himself can do similar things. Cena at best has scaling to folks who at best can only barely preform the same feats with maximum effort.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

My point is that Saitama will be growing regardless. Not to oneshot levels like he did against Light Pull Cord, but to a noticeable degree to where I doubt Cena's skill would play a big factor.

Fair enough, though I do think I need to elaborate the skill gap between them other than just saying "Saitama has very little combat experience or expertise."

Again, Saitama can fight monsters that easily flip over and bust entire trucks and he himself can do similar things. Cena at best has scaling to folks who at best can only barely preform the same feats with maximum effort.

Think I should give a bit more of an explanation.

Mark Henry broke the steel chain fairly casually, and he squatted a Ford Taurus.

And remember when I mentioned the feat of Bobby Lashley having a competitive arm wrestling contest with Braun Strowman?

Well Strowman can flip a van, a limousine, a semi trailer, and an ambulance.

Cena was able to give Mark Henry a good run for his money in an arm wrestling contest, and he somewhat held his own against Bobby Lashley in a test of strength, who all have done or are comparable to these feats of strength.

 

[Kachon123]

Think I should give a bit more of an explanation.

Mark Henry broke the steel chain fairly casually, and he squatted a Ford Taurus.

And remember when I mentioned the feat of Bobby Lashley having a competitive arm wrestling contest with Braun Strowman?

Well Strowman can flip a van, a limousine, a semi trailer, and an ambulance.

Cena was able to give Mark Henry a good run for his money in an arm wrestling contest, and he somewhat held his own against Bobby Lashley in a test of strength, who all have done or are comparable to these feats of strength.

Again, these are impressive but this doesn't really change what I said. I'm not going to act like Saitama would have a massive advantage over Cena initially, but what you sent moreso reinforces my point of view. Saitama fights tiger level monsters like these guys daily and I just don't know if (paired with his AD) Cena's LS will be able to hold out for long.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Again, these are impressive but this doesn't really change what I said. I'm not going to act like Saitama would have a massive advantage over Cena initially, but what you sent moreso reinforces my point of view. Saitama fights tiger level monsters like these guys daily and I just don't know if (paired with his AD) Cena's LS will be able to hold out for long.

Cena has fought and defeated people stronger than him from an LS perspective, so it's not that big of a deal ig

I do think Cena's skill advantage will help him quite a bit here. Not only does he have more techniques, but he has fought people with many different styles of wrestling over his 20+ year career (Lucha Libre, Technical, Brawler, Powerhouses, etc.) and came out the winner. Saitama's fighting style is far more simpler.

 

[Kachon123]

Cena has fought and defeated people stronger than him from an LS perspective, so it's not that big of a deal ig

I do think Cena's skill advantage will help him quite a bit here. Not only does he have more techniques, but he has fought people with many different styles of wrestling over his 20+ year career (Lucha Libre, Technical, Brawler, Powerhouses, etc.) and came out the winner. Saitama's fighting style is far more simpler.

Sure but the same can definitely be said the other way around. Saitama is literally always fighting at a disadvantage. He fights monsters stronger than him with a wide variety of fighting styles due to body changes from monsterization. Saitama is a quick learner and a very adaptable fighter.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Sure but the same can definitely be said the other way around. Saitama is literally always fighting at a disadvantage. He fights monsters stronger than him with a wide variety of fighting styles due to body changes from monsterization. Saitama is a quick learner and a very adaptable fighter.

Same can be said for Cena.

A decent portion of his fights are him getting his ass kicked, but his willpower is so strong that he can fight through the pain and continue, and while he does have a skill gap here, Saitama is still the physically superior fighter here, so this further reinforces my point

On a side note I forgot to count the votes mb

 

[Raiden38]

Saitama destroy

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Saitama destroy

Is that a vote?

 

[Raiden38]

Is that a vote?

Yep

 

[Arkansalter2]

Although it would be absolutely hilarious to see John Cena hit Saitama with an attitude adjustment, I'm not sure that's happening.
Going with Saitama here due to significatly better LS and far better feats than Cena.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Although it would be absolutely hilarious to see John Cena hit Saitama with an attitude adjustment, I'm not sure that's happening.

Nah he's definitely skilled enough to hit it lol

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