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Saitama Speed Upgrade?

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I would like to propose to have Saitama's speed be upgraded from at least Sub-Relativistic to at least Relativistic+ and possibly higher as he wasn't serious with the punch.

In the links below, Ethan R. Siegel, an American theoretical astrophysicist, explains the science of a man destroying a meteor in one punch.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...topping-a-meteor-with-one-punch/#48feaa964b72

https://www.facebook.com/Nerdist/videos/1657162807634854/

Asteroids, when they strike Earth, typically come in with a speed of 17 km/s, while comets strike us at around 51 km/s, having come from farther out. Asteroids are rockier, denser and often larger, while comets tend to be icy, porous and frequently smaller. To merit a "9" on the Torino scale and produce the energy of a hundred hydrogen bombs -- around 10^19 Joules, or the conversion of a human's worth of matter into pure energy via Einstein's E = mc^2 -- an asteroid would need a mass of around 70 billion kg, and would measure the size of about three football fields in every dimension.

The key to stopping an asteroid with one punch, though, isn't as much about the energy as it is about the momentum. If you can create a (mostly) inelastic collision with an equal-and-opposite amount of momentum to the asteroid, you can stop it dead in its tracks. Yes, you'll still have 70 billion kg (or 70 million tons) of debris falling on your city, but a slew of rocky debris falling from a height of a few hundred meters is a lot less terrifying than being vaporized in a single, fiery impact. For a full-grown adult human, that means traveling at a speed of around 99.99999997% the speed of light, or 299792457.91 meters/second: 2.9 meters/second closer to the speed of light than the fastest protons in the LHC at CERN. Except it's not a proton that needs to be accelerated to that speed; it's around 10^28 of them. It's an entire human being.


If I made any errors or if you have a counter argument, please feel free to reply.
 
seriusly ? saitama ain't a normal man, this is a guy who can do multi-continatal level feats casually, there's no need go that fast
 
As far as we the readers/viewers know, he's simply a human who "broke his limit."
 
If it wasn't done by pure force, then what other options are there. He's simply a very strong and fast man. There's not much else to go on.
 
If we're gonna say that super strength defies physics, then what's the point of measuring him then?
 
Half the stuff on this wiki defies physics. These are fictional characters for christs sake. I E NOT REAL. We can still measure them based on how they are portrayed in there series. Superman defies physics in dozens of ways but we still measure his best feats and put them on his profile.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
No, by this logic any sufficiently powerful superhuman would have to be Relativistic+ to reach the KE of their punches.
Super Strength simply defies physics.
Are there any other examples/characters of that to understand that.
 
My only concern is that Saitama is simply a strong/fast human. It shouldn't be this complicated.
 
saitama resisted telekinesy, can deflect enegy beams,he can run on water and survived on the moon, those are only a few esemple of saitama supernatural abilities
 
Overlord775 said:
saitama resisted telekinesy, can deflect enegy beems, runned on water and survived on the moon, those are only a few esemple of saitama supernatural abilities
Let's try to stay on the more physical side of things.

Running on water is possible if you are fast enough to avoid breaking the surface tension.

If Saitama is as durable as he is, I guess that he can survive the vacuum of space.
 
Well... if he survived concentrated energy beams, I guess that makes sense too.
 
These concentrated energy beams does not count as radiations, also this thread is debunked by Matt.
 
Dark649 said:
These concentrated energy beams does not count as radiations, also this thread is debunked by Matt.
So... Saitama was able to destroy the meteor with his strength. His striking power had less to do with his speed than his strength. Speed/acceleration and durability of his fist didn't make the cut.

Before you close this thread, which is likely to happen the rate this thread is going, when does the above physics apply?
 
Especially since Superman is allowed to go sub-light speed to do his infinite mass punch on the Shadow Moon.
 
I'm willing to admit that some people are able to bypass the velocity and kinetic energy laws thanks to external forces.

Superman has the sun, Hulk has gamma radiation, mutants have the x-gene, and Shazam has divine powers.

Saitama, however, has no 'powers' to rely on. Please name me any other character who can do amazing things without some sort of special gene/ability.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Especially since Superman is allowed to go sub-light speed to do his infinite mass punch on the Shadow Moon.
Well in that case, Superman himself says that he isn't trying to go FTL. Apparently in DC you lose the increased mass from speed when you go FTL (Speedforce?).
 
Even if what you're saying has a basis in reality, fiction consistently treats AP and speed as entirely separate things save for some cases like Flash who uses his speed to build up KE. To quote our Kinetic Energy Feats page.

"Do not calculate speed from kinetic energy: The kinetic energy an object was calculated to possess, in any way whatsoever, should not be considered as related through its speed. While the formula technically can be used to relate those values in both direction this is disregarded in practice. One reason for this is that fiction in general differentiates between the attack potency and the speed of a character. Another reason is that it returns unrealistic values, as even a Small City level+ punch would already have Relativistic+ speed. Out of similar reasons mass should also not be calculated from it."
 
Ryukama

"Another reason is that it returns unrealistic values, as even a Small City level+ punch would already have Relativistic+ speed. Out of similar reasons mass should also not be calculated from it."

Does that rule apply to regular humans like Batman?

Who are some other characters that make those weird calculations happen?
 
Batman is nowhere near Small City level+, so his KE probably wouldn't result in Relativistic+ speeds.

However the point remains that you can't derive someone's speed from their KE or else you get horribly inflated results.

In fiction Super Strength and Super Speed are just two unrelated superpowers for the most part.
 
I'm curious to know which characters above Small City level+ cause that inflation?
 
All characters who have Small City level+ AP or above could become Relativistic+ if you derive speed from their KE.
 
What I mean is are there any other characters above Small City level+ who are for the most part is human and normal like Saitama that we can compare to? IE no external power sources/special genes/gods. Or is Saitama a special case? Saitama is like a Batman who went further beyond.
 
What does that have to do with anything at all?

Just because Saitama is a human doesn't mean he bypasses the "don't derive speed from KE" rule.

The point is if a character (human, alien, god, robot or whatever else) threw a Small City level+ punch you could make their speed Relativistic+ via their KE. However that is highly inflated and fiction almost always treats Super Strength and Super Speed as separate. If we did things this method, they'd be one and the same with all Super Strength feats turning into Super Speed feats.
 
You can close this thread now. At this point, we just have to wait for more stuff to happen in the plot which takes forever.
 
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