Saint Seiya revision

[Alonik]

Thank you for being a polytical member.

I don't think it would be necessary to do that, since we've already defined that Misty's Marble Tripper is at least Mountain Level here on that thread. And Sui Sei Ken is far superior to Marble Tripper.

And yes, we can look for other feats in the first arc, and that's what I'm asking for, I've already asked to calculate the Rozan Shoryu Ha (shiryu reversing the rozan waterfall), but for the members I asked for, they said that maybe it was not possible to calculate.

 

[Bruce_Reb]

Maybe we can still add a key for begining of series Seiya on the "At least Small Building level" result.

Also, this may be a bit convoluted, but wouldn't dividing the result of Misty's Marble Tripper Mountain Level Calc give us an estimate of Post-Ikki Seiya? Since the Sui Sei Ken represents a 100x multiplier of his casual striking power.

Just tossing out potential ideas.

EDIT: Nevermind, I misremembered that fight. Seiya uses the Rolling Crush to kill him, not the Sui Sei Ken.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

So will this ever be applied? A new calc was made and it's accepted as well.

 

[AstralKing7]

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[Alonik]

wrong thread, but i think that should be closed, since no one oppose anymore, and was concluded.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Profiles should be updated 1st.

 

[Alonik]

i'm going to apply, so...

 

[AstralKing7]

Make sure you tell a content mod that you're gonna apply changes to profiles

 

[SupremeGilgamesh]

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This wiki is lost forever

 

[Leonida85]

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This wiki is lost forever

So true...

 

[Ercosore]

Bump

 

[KonoDioDDDa]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

What are the summarised conclusions here?

 

[Alonik]

Everyone 6-C and Low 6-B should be removed, the 6-C base now is 9-A.

Everyone who scales from Pegasus Sui Sei Ken should scale now for at least Low 7-C due to Misty being able to shake the mount fuji

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This is not agreed upon whatsoever. This is just Alonik's trying to enforce his views on the whole wiki without there being any consensus. Again.

 

[Schnee_One]

No Matt, general consensus was that the 6C calc wasn't valid and thus had to be redone, until it is, Low 7C is valid as that's the feat chapter 1 saints can scale too.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Low 7-C is ridiculous downplay in itself. And 9-A from all the Base Saints is downplayed as all hell too. There are other feats you can scale and I don't trust Alonik's calcs to be unbiased.

 

[Schnee_One]

Mind showing which feats?

Also he said the 6C calc was down to 9A, not that they scale from it.

 

[Antvasima]

Would some staff member be willing to redo the calculation in question then? Perhaps somebody should ask them to help out.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Mind showing which feats?
Also he said the 6C calc was down to 9A, not that they scale from it.

One obvious example is Shiryu reversing a waterfall. Also statements about how Bronze Saints are more powerful than any man-made weapon.

 

[Schnee_One]

Just noticed something. If the non-Saint who was considered enough of a threat for a Gold Saint to be dispatched to deal with him needed to channel his cosmos through a normal Nuke to supercharge it into a weapon capable of causing that much damage, that goes against the "stronger than any man-made weapon" claim for normal Bronze Saints.

 

[Archaron]

Low 7-C is ridiculous downplay in itself. And 9-A from all the Base Saints is downplayed as all hell too. There are other feats you can scale and I don't trust Alonik's calcs to be unbiased.

Do you not trust him because he shows something that you don't like, or can you prove that he was not impartial?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Just noticed something. If the non-Saint who was considered enough of a threat for a Gold Saint to be dispatched to deal with him needed to channel his cosmos through a normal Nuke to supercharge it into a weapon capable of causing that much damage, that goes against the "stronger than any man-made weapon" claim for normal Bronze Saints.

This is a non-sequitur that proves absolutely nothing. He supercharged the nuclear reactor, not the nuke, to make it so powerful it would create a massive explosion visible from space that would pierce a hole in the Earth from the United States to China.

You cannot use it to argue that Saints are weaker than man-made weapons.

 

[Antvasima]

Maybe you could ask some skilled calc group member with no stake in this discussion to calculate the feat?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Would some staff member be willing to redo the calculation in question then? Perhaps somebody should ask them to help out.

You want it remade because some dude believes the other dude somehow modified the calc to be tier 9 based off nothing? I don't think that's how it works.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

"Hey. Your calc's not valid. Use mine. I calced it ready for this"

Yeah. Nothing suspicious.

How serious I am is up to you.

But I don't think we need the calc remade. Just some more eople evaluating it.

 

[Antvasima]

Look. If we want this argument to end peacefully, we need a calculation from a calc group member who has no involvement with this. That is my strongly suggested solution to this problem.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Uhhh no we don't, there is literally no proof the calculation is manipulated in anyway which is a serious accusation.

 

[Antvasima]

If the calculation is accurate, an independent calcer will get a very similar result. Please stop causing problems over nothing, and start trying to find a constructive solution instead.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

??? Okay.

 

[Antvasima]

Here are some calcers that I suggest to ask to help out: DontTalkDT, Ugarik, Antoniofer, Executor N0

 

[Antvasima]

You can also ask Alex if you wish.

 

[Archaron]

This type of practice literally only shows that the only reliable calculations are that of the staff (What is funny, is that a staff calc member approved the use of that calculation, so you should question his sense of judgment too?), and the reason for this is simply that someone does not accept the result and where it came from.

If a calculation is approved by the staff calc member itself, I see nothing but personal discomfort to deny its use, if it does not show evidence that it has been manipulated.

 

[Antvasima]

Again, stop being difficult just to be difficult. I am trying to make this neverending argument reach a conclusion by finding a solution to it. Otherwise nothing is going to happen here.

 

[Alonik]

But there's no neverending argument here, the only who was argued that my calc is biased was Matthew. If i manipulated the calc, i hope that matthew have balls and face it and prove that my calc is manipulated and i'm biased.

 

[Anime_Facts]

Matthew crying Lmao

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I have it on good authority that ALonik is disingenous and not at all unbiased here. I know how he is like.

Edit: and the insults commence already.

 

[Antvasima]

Look, is it really so horrible to let an experienced calcer take a look at this, so everybody involved know that the result is fair and we avoid any further conflict?

 

[Archaron]

I have it on good authority that ALonik is disingenous and not at all unbiased here. I know how he is like.

Edit: and the insults commence already.

So, I can come up and say that anyone is dishonest and not impartial, just because you believe and have a vision of him as someone like that? Is that not dishonesty? Since you cannot prove that and exercise your function and confidence to apply it?

 

[Alonik]

I mean, experienced calcer already have take a look at this. Being honest, i have no problems with a new calc. I just have the problem with a guy with yellow name making blatanty personal attacks, and is simply incompetent who can't even prove his accusation.