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All Gods can manipulate the concepts of fate, nothingness, and Death?
If that is true then just post those supporting scans on the profile.
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Saint seiya dowgrade
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All Gods can manipulate the concepts of fate, nothingness, and Death?
If that is true then just post those supporting scans on the profile.
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itd be easier to explain them using a cosmology blog
but its my bed time here so i'll have to respond to this tomorrow... I am sorry...
i work tomorrow morning.
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The topic is to discuss the removal of the ability at this time. If in the future you have some feats that confirm this, we will just add it to the gods pages, but if this ability cannot be confirmed at this time, it is best to remove it.
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Stop being impatient holy shit, people have lives you know!
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If they have the necessary information, then we can wait a day for them to post it. There's no point in removing something just to add it back. When it can just be fixed one time.
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Well, there is a goddess of destiny (Ker), but I remember that she manipulates the very concept of destiny, and only manipulates events by by sending evil spirits to possess humans and altering human memory.
Saint Seiya: Origin Vol.1 Chapter 1: The Third Gemini - Manganelo
Read Saint Seiya: Origin Vol.1 Chapter 1: The Third Gemini - The story recounts the birth of Saga and Kanon until the time of Saga's suicide before Saori in the defeat of the Battle of the Twelve Houses.
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Saint Seiya: Origin Vol.1 Chapter 2: The Hidden History Of The Twins - Manganelo
Read Saint Seiya: Origin Vol.1 Chapter 2: The Hidden History of the Twins - The story recounts the birth of Saga and Kanon until the time of Saga's suicide before Saori in the defeat of the Battle of the Twelve Houses.
readmanganato.com
I agree with this.
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Again, Zeus’ “concept” is yet to be revealed hence why his profile just has “conceptual manipulation”.
the fact Hades’ divine will created and sustains the concept of the afterlife is enough for Zeus to be capable of the same type of conceptual manipulation as his divine will is comparable if not superior to that of his older brother.
At best I’d concede to changing his page to “possibly conceptual manipulation”.
Hades’ “unique abilities” are his death related hax, CM is not unique to Hades, it’s a sub-ability of the Divine Will.
I’ll say it again, Zeus’ page only contains information that come with the Divine Will, his unique abilities are yet to be shown.
the fact Hades’ divine will created and sustains the concept of the afterlife is enough for Zeus to be capable of the same type of conceptual manipulation as his divine will is comparable if not superior to that of his older brother.
At best I’d concede to changing his page to “possibly conceptual manipulation”.
Hades’ “unique abilities” are his death related hax, CM is not unique to Hades, it’s a sub-ability of the Divine Will.
I’ll say it again, Zeus’ page only contains information that come with the Divine Will, his unique abilities are yet to be shown.
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If you don't know what concepts he manipulates then his conceptual manipulation is non battle applicable and honestly should just be removed to avoid confusion. But Unshakable says that all Gods can manipulate death, nothingless, and fate so you can add those to the profile if the scans are there to prove it.
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Creating a dimension is not conceptual manipulation, and the Underworld is described as a realm unreachable even by the power of the other gods.
The afterlife still exists even after the death of Hades, the only thing that disappeared was the realm that the god created, but the cycle of life and death still exists in this franchise, because the other realms that Shaka mentions in his Rikudo Rinne still exist.
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It would not be combat applicable because we don't know what the ability does. Putting conceptual manipulation without knowing what concepts they can manipulate is like putting elemental manipulation without knowing what elements they can manipulate. It's confusing and a waste of time.
That's different from an ability that's not combat applicable but we know exactly what the ability is and does.
But luckily that won't be the case once those scans are provided.
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what was the justification for concept manip before?
is the issue Zeus has concept manip but we don't know what it does?
if a character is stated to have elemental manip its still fine to add even if we don't know what element they can manipulate.
you can even add non combat applicable in the brackets. not that confusing
is the issue Zeus has concept manip but we don't know what it does?
yes thats why stuff like possibly and likely exist
if a character is stated to have elemental manip its still fine to add even if we don't know what element they can manipulate.
you can even add non combat applicable in the brackets. not that confusing
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Oh well if that's how it's done then that should be how its handled
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I remember that he never had any justification for this ability, it is probably information that was placed in the profile a long time ago.
Hasty12345
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Cool, then it can be changed to “possibly CM” and this painful thread can come to a close
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But the "possibly conceptual manipulation" has a purpose in the character's profile, we do not even know what concept it can manipulate or what type it would have.
This is the description of the conceptual manipulation in the Wiki.
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Let's ask @Antvasima if this is possible.
This is the description of the conceptual manipulation in the Wiki.
Conceptual Manipulation
Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat-applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts, and not the universe directly...
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Let's ask @Antvasima if this is possible.
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Why were you quoting and responding to yourself?
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Because you suck on picking up on context clues. That's why. It's obvious who I was talking to.
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iirc you can't @staff (they won't get a notification) you have to message them directly or profile wall.
hes quoting himself so its seen, bought up or maybe the opposition forgot that point.
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It is possible to add "possibly conceptual manipulation" to a profile if we do not know what concept it may manipulate or what type it would have.
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we are even sure of the canonicity of the great will or hypermito
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we sure are!
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if every ability was explicitly proven then we wouldn't have any need for a "Possibly" rating on the wiki, no?
i will get bakc to this thread shortly. been busy today.
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I got some scans an explanations coming soon. I'm just busy atm
But like o said it'll be explained better on a cosmology blog
But like o said it'll be explained better on a cosmology blog
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Thank you for your response.
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Okay. This does not really seem to be an important enough thread to take up my time though. I only came here because a member made a complaint about derailment.
No problem.
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This is my opinion:
If "we" dosent know what the concept Zeus represents (in-verse), well...., it has to take it away from him until he demonstrates it or is explicitly mentioned by multiple sources or one very reliable and good. If it is speculative then you should not take it, even if it is a "possibility".
Now, if he manipulates, creates, destroys, alters, etc, concepts, need the proof of that, if is because he is a deity he scales to others who has shown it, said feats have to be republished and analyzed for its validity or not.
On the subject that what is canon and dosent, that is its own completely separate subject (even if this influences a lot for the work either in lore, skills, development, whether or not it contradicts current, past or future material, etc.).
If "we" dosent know what the concept Zeus represents (in-verse), well...., it has to take it away from him until he demonstrates it or is explicitly mentioned by multiple sources or one very reliable and good. If it is speculative then you should not take it, even if it is a "possibility".
Now, if he manipulates, creates, destroys, alters, etc, concepts, need the proof of that, if is because he is a deity he scales to others who has shown it, said feats have to be republished and analyzed for its validity or not.
On the subject that what is canon and dosent, that is its own completely separate subject (even if this influences a lot for the work either in lore, skills, development, whether or not it contradicts current, past or future material, etc.).
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