Saint Seiya additional abilities to apply globally

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Again we lack context on Requiem. It is confirmed that Uranus died. Pontos os reviving him which os outside help/outside interference that's not the same as him "being alive." Hes so dead that he needs help from outside people to be brought back.

According to the wiki currently. The Hades we saw in GA was another universe Hades.

Also, yes we have seen some Other Gods get perma killed in some ways.

In Requiem he does not mention that Uranus was dead and we can see how his soul still exists, he even lends his power to Pontus to destroy the constellations and eliminate the Saints.

The world where Assassin's story takes place, the world of the future, is a parallel universe. Even Rada and Kanon are alive in that world, even though Rada and Kanon died in the Underworld, and Rada's death is confirmed because his Masei (evil star) was sealed in the rosary (in the manga they mention that the 108 Specter were defeated and the rosary had changed color). Also Seiya does not mention his battle against Thanatos, when he mentions the gods he had fought in the past, even when it is the only god he defeated and the reason why he could be known as a god killer, and in this story it is only mentioned that he is a god killer because he fights against Hades and Poseidon in the past. And Shiryu does not have the pearl of the dragon god in his tattoo.

Hades in the classic manga is dead and will never return, even the Underworld was completely destroyed with his death. Assassin's story is a parallel universe where Athena doesn't kill Hades, she probably just destroys his body as was her original plan, and the Underworld still exists.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I will respond later. Busy irl.

 

[StekFence]

And Athena is a good goddess, she almost never tries to eliminate completely the opponent, even she did not eliminate Asclepius and only destroyed his body and trapped his soul in the Tartarus, an opponent that probably will be defeated with the arrow of the goddess (a sacred treasure of Athena).

Wait wait. U mean the one Ptolemy has?

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Wait wait. U mean the one Ptolemy has?

No, the new arrow of Sagittarius.

Spoiler

Next Dimension 81 (I have not found the chapter in English)

In the present, Marin found the arrow in the ruins of the Temple of Ophiuchus, so it is probably the weapon they used to defeat the Golden Ophiuchus in the past.

Although in Saintia Sho it is confirmed that the arrow that Ptolemy uses against Athena was a sacred treasure.

 

[StekFence]

i see

 

[StekFence]

I’m willing to bet a certain horse is the one to fire it and defeat the enemy.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

@Lancelot_de_Cancer

"The regeneration and immortality negation if they have that, because the God Cloths are sacred treasures (it is an armor infinitely close to a Kamei and has the cosmos and the divine protection of Athena by the blood of the goddess, therefore it grants the power to kill and hurt the immortal gods) and the attacks of Seiya and company killed Hypnos and Thanatos forever."

There isn't any evidence that God Cloths can kill any other gods forever. I am going to have to disagree here.

" The only God Saint who does not have this power is Tenma, because even he could not destroy a minor god forever like Morpheus (the god's soul still existed after his attack) and neither did he completely eliminate his mother (in the Gaiden Aries it is mentioned that her soul and she still existed in the Tenkai/Olimpo)"

Doensn't the Gaiden take place before the events of LC?

"Although Hypnos and Thanatos never showed resistance to regeneration and immortality negation."

Doesn't Hypnos boast that he could Kill Athena? Eris also states herself that she is the weakest Olympian.

"The seal of Kairos did not seal his power, the effect was different and forced him to reincarnate as a human. The only limitation of his power is that he is in a human body and cannot change bodies like Thanatos, Hypnos, Hades and Poseidon. The seal puts him in a similar situation to Athena who also reincarnates as a human."

His immortalities and Regen is strictly sealed. he has memories of his life going through cycles of reincarnation which isn't an ability that can be added or worth adding as its not combat applicable.

Also these abilities will not apply to Kairos.

"The problem is the resistance to Regeneration and Immortality negation. Even if the gods fought it doesn't mean that they will try to eliminate each other forever."

They fought the titans in a war that lasted 10 God years. Gaia made the weapons and Gaia created a weapon that killed Uranus.

Athena is able to permanently destroy the body and soul of typhon but he still continued to comeback as his Divine Will.

Athena has fought many holy wars against Hades but Hades continues to comeback despite stopping his plans to take over the world

Hades has methods and knows of ways to perma kill Athena. If Athena continues to exist she still has control over the living world.

Zeus in Assassins states he is independent of time and universes but he still continues to comeback even after being blown away with a weapons that had Athena's blessings upon it.

The ability might be inconsistently portrayed but its still continues to be portrayed. Therefore I say a possibly rating.

"The weapons of the Titans (weapons created by Gaea) never showed the power to kill forever immortal gods such as Athena, Hades, Poseidon, Thanatos, etc. Although Gaea is one of the most powerful gods in the franchise, therefore, she must have the power to kill other gods forever."

The weapon she created was shown to kill uranus.

We have no reason to believe she would give more inferior weapons to her other childeren

"Athena is a good goddess, she almost never tries to eliminate completely the opponent, even she did not eliminate Asclepius and only destroyed his body and trapped his soul in the Tartarus, an opponent that probably will be defeated with the arrow of the goddess (a sacred treasure of Athena)."

This is just her not using that ability in character. Its "Out of her character" to do it.

"Athena only destroys Typhon's body, but does not destroy his soul and cannot regenerate his body, even his purpose was to get a new body, therefore, this means that he has no resistance to regeneration negation,"

Yes this is resistance though limited. Also, his soul was infact destroyed he literally stated himself that is existing only as his Divine Will.

"This is similar to what happened to Asclepius in the last chapters of Next Dimension, Athena and the gods destroyed his body and threw his soul into Tartarus, so now he tries to get Odysseus' body to return to the world."

again showcasing a limited application of resistance to Immortality and regen negation.

"In Requiem he does not mention that Uranus was dead and we can see how his soul still exists, he even lends his power to Pontus to destroy the constellations and eliminate the Saints."

He is in fact dead. Its stated in Episode G

I refuse to accept this until Requiem develops more. Why are using it when it literally only has 13 or 14 chapters? The series is too young in its current state and the plot hasn't even developed yet. What are you going to do when the story changed drastically and turns out Pontos is doing the same thing he did in Episode G? Deceive everyone including the Audience and Uranus never makes an appearance? Also my point still stands. He is dead, and getting revived by Pontos which still counts as him being dead.

"The world where Assassin's story takes place, the world of the future, is a parallel universe."

No, its directly connected to Next Dimension.

'Even Rada and Kanon are alive in that world, even though Rada and Kanon died in the Underworld, and Rada's death is confirmed because his Masei (evil star) was sealed in the rosary (in the manga they mention that the 108 Specter were defeated and the rosary had changed color). Also Seiya does not mention his battle against Thanatos, when he mentions the gods he had fought in the past, even when it is the only god he defeated and the reason why he could be known as a god killer, and in this story it is only mentioned that he is a god killer because he fights against Hades and Poseidon in the past. And Shiryu does not have the pearl of the dragon god in his tattoo."

minor inconsistencies like these doesn't make something non-canon or a parallels universe especially when the gap between the series is over 30 years otherwise many other series would need to suffer the same scrutiny.

"Hades in the classic manga is dead and will never return, even the Underworld was completely destroyed with his death. Assassin's story is a parallel universe where Athena doesn't kill Hades, she probably just destroys his body as was her original plan, and the Underworld still exists."

Yet its stated in the classic series that hades still continues to come back to fight Athena for many Holy Wars.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

anyways i think its almost time to close this thread and apply what has been agreed upon by staff and knowledgeable members.

no new arguments are being presented

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

There isn't any evidence that God Cloths can kill any other gods forever. I am going to have to disagree here.

Seiya threatens to kill Hades and the immortality of Hypnos and Thanatos is no different.

Doensn't the Gaiden take place before the events of LC?

The second part of the Gaiden of Aries is 15 years after the main story.

Doesn't Hypnos boast that he could Kill Athena? Eris also states herself that she is the weakest Olympian.

Yes, Hypnos and Thanatos mention that they could kill Athena and destroy the goddess' armor.

Eris was never described as an Olympian god in Saintia Sho. She is a goddess with different abilities and characteristics than the other gods, she is even described as a goddess with an abstract existence that is connected to the concept she represents in the world, and the connection with the discord and chaos of the world increases the power of the goddess, even now she is more powerful than Olympian gods like Athena (one of the most powerful gods, who is comparable in power with Hades, Poseidon and Zeus).

His immortalities and Regen is strictly sealed. he has memories of his life going through cycles of reincarnation which isn't an ability that can be added or worth adding as its not combat applicable.

Also these abilities will not apply to Kairos.

He has immortality and regeneration (although it takes 15 years to regenerate his body), he even returned 15 years later and was easily eliminated by the light of the shield in Athena's Cloth.

They fought the titans in a war that lasted 10 God years. Gaia made the weapons and Gaia created a weapon that killed Uranus.

Athena is able to permanently destroy the body and soul of typhon but he still continued to comeback as his Divine Will.

Athena has fought many holy wars against Hades but Hades continues to comeback despite stopping his plans to take over the world

Hades has methods and knows of ways to perma kill Athena. If Athena continues to exist she still has control over the living world.

Zeus in Assassins states he is independent of time and universes but he still continues to comeback even after being blown away with a weapons that had Athena's blessings upon it.

The ability might be inconsistently portrayed but its still continues to be portrayed. Therefore I say a possibly rating.

Uranus is not dead and survives thanks to his immortality, although he is probably weakened. The development of the war against the Titans is unknown and the Olympians did not have their weapons in that fight, even Zeus only acquires the lightning at the end of the battle and defeats Titans with that weapon, a weaker weapon than the sacred treasures of Athena, Hades and Poseidon.

Athena never destroys Hades and only seals the god. She even never destroys his real body, because they could never invade the Underworld, that's why the Eighth Sense was so important to end that war forever.

Athena won all his wars, so he could never kill her.

It is unknown if Athena grants him her cosmos in that attack or they only named the blessing of Athena because he attacked with the arrow of the armor of Sagittarius, the armors in Episode.G are named as a blessing of Athena. Aiolos only attacks with the arrow of Sagittarius, he never uses a sacred treasure on that occasion, because he does not use the arrow of the goddess, the true sacred treasure of Sagittarius and the arrow that can kill gods. The Zeus of the parallel universe has no regeneration, even he only came back because he had a response avatar (Aiolia) there and then when Aiolos destroys Aiolia's body he disappears (even his soul does not get another avatar, because it is limited to a specific avatar, and it seems he cannot fight as a soul without a physical body), and he only comes back because he and his avatar were brought back thanks to the power of the Black Core.

The weapon she created was shown to kill uranus.

We have no reason to believe she would give more inferior weapons to her other childeren

It is mentioned that Uranus is alive and that they are immortal gods, therefore, they never died and returned thanks to their immortality.

It is unknown how they create the Sacred Treasures that are used to kill gods, even in Athena's Sanctuary there are only a few Sacred Treasures and the goddess is not creating one for the 88 Saints. The Surplices that the power of Hades creates for his army were never armor that granted the power to kill gods (even in Dark Wing, Yoruhime grants Shoichiro a weapon to kill the goddess, because he couldn't kill her with the power of his Surplice). This means that Gaea's weapons may not have this ability.

He is in fact dead. Its stated in Episode G

I refuse to accept this until Requiem develops more. Why are using it when it literally only has 13 or 14 chapters? The series is too young in its current state and the plot hasn't even developed yet. What are you going to do when the story changed drastically and turns out Pontos is doing the same thing he did in Episode G? Deceive everyone including the Audience and Uranus never makes an appearance? Also my point still stands. He is dead, and getting revived by Pontos which still counts as him being dead.

Requiem has 13 chapters + 2 specials, so it is enough to use the information from that manga.

In Requiem it is revealed that Uranus is alive thanks to his immortality, even if he is weakened and needs Pontus' help to return to full power, this does not change that Okada confirms that Uranus is alive.

No, its directly connected to Next Dimension.

minor inconsistencies like these doesn't make something non-canon or a parallels universe especially when the gap between the series is over 30 years otherwise many other series would need to suffer the same scrutiny.

Yet its stated in the classic series that hades still continues to come back to fight Athena for many Holy Wars.

Thr story of Assassin is not connected to the story of Next Dimension. Seiya still has the curse of Hades and one day he disappeared, abandoning his companions. Even when he returns, Seiya wears armor similar in design to the armor at the end of Overture. And Shiryu's tattoo does not have the pearl of the dragon god that acquired in Next Dimension.

That Kanon and Rada are alive is not a minor inconsistency and this confirms that this is a parallel world where the story was slightly different from what was seen in the main universe. The problem is that the main story of Assassin develops the idea of the multiverse, we even got to see a world (the world of Aiolos) where the story was even more different. In addition, Shura also mentions that the future world is a possible future of the world.

Athena never completely destroys the god (she doesn't even destroy his true body) and only seals the god in the ancient holy wars, even in the universe of The Lost Canvas, Hades was never destroyed in the ancient holy war and only sent his soul back to the Elysium.

Athena never completely destroys the god (she doesn't even destroy his true body) and only seals the god in the ancient Holy Wars, even in the universe of The Lost Canvas, Hades was never destroyed in the Holy War and only sent his soul back to Elysium. Hence the importance of the Eighth Sense in the last Holy War, because the Saints and Athena were finally able to invade the Underworld and destroy Hades to end the cycle of the Holy War forever. Even the world of the dead was destroyed with the death of Hades in the last Holy War, an event that never occurred in the ancient Holy Wars because Hades was never completely destroyed. If the World of the Dead were destroyed in every Holy War against Hades, the Golden Ophiuchus would be released from its prison after every Holy War or even be destroyed by the destruction of the World of the Dead, but he still exists and only in this Holy War is he trying to free himself from his prison.

 

[Kumagawaa]

Again we lack context on Requiem. It is confirmed that Uranus died. Pontos os reviving him which os outside help/outside interference that's not the same as him "being alive." Hes so dead that he needs help from outside people to be brought back.

We don’t really lack context in requiem? There’s been statements of Steropes telling Uranus to send him back to the Land of the Gods which means he’s alive. Pontos is also using Uranus’ power so I don’t see why he wouldn’t alive? I don’t recall using another Gods power when they’re considered “permanently dead”.

According to the wiki currently. The Hades we saw in GA was another universe Hades.

The only time we seen another universe Hades is when Shiryu sees the events of the ‘Lost’ World where the God Saints lose to Hades-Shun. The only way you can say that it’s another universe Hades is if you argue that EGA is a completely different timeline which can be argued and likewise can be argued against.

Also, yes we have seen some Other Gods get perma killed in some ways.

We’ve seen other Gods get killed but which one of them have been Titans, Olympians or Primordials? The Titans are just sealed in Tartarus still, the Primordials are sealed and not dead. Half the Olympians haven’t appeared yet and the ones that have, none of them permanently died unless you just argue the true canon is just Classic and ND which Hades would be dead in.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

We don’t really lack context in requiem? There’s been statements of Steropes telling Uranus to send him back to the Land of the Gods which means he’s alive. Pontos is also using Uranus’ power so I don’t see why he wouldn’t alive? I don’t recall using another Gods power when they’re considered “permanently dead”.

Are we forgetting what Pontos's character is like?

He deceived all 12 titans. Stole their Dunamis. He even Manipulated their memories, and mind controlled Hyperion (iirc)

He even stole the power of Lightening from another titan and gave it to a Younger Zeus (before Zeus went to war with Cronos)

Pontos's Goal is too unseal Gaia Episode G out of Love for her. Not unseal Uranus. Not helping Uranus. Dude has a sis serious sis complex

There is a lot of development we are missing in requiem right now.

hell you could argue that the Primordial have High Godly regen but that is a CRT on its own at some other point in time.

and why are taking a single line from Steropes as fact and applying headcanon to that single line. Nothing in Requeium right now proves he is alive.

The only time we seen another universe Hades is when Shiryu sees the events of the ‘Lost’ World where the God Saints lose to Hades-Shun. The only way you can say that it’s another universe Hades is if you argue that EGA is a completely different timeline which can be argued and likewise can be argued against.

I said according to the wiki. I believe there is strictly only 1 god for the whole multiverse. I tried debating this idea before and it was rejected. The wiki believes the only Hades we see later is an alternate universe hades.

We’ve seen other Gods get killed but which one of them have been Titans, Olympians or Primordials? The Titans are just sealed in Tartarus still, the Primordials are sealed and not dead. Half the Olympians haven’t appeared yet and the ones that have, none of them permanently died unless you just argue the true canon is just Classic and ND which Hades would be dead in.

Typhon is considered a Primordial. Athena destroyed his body and soul. he was existing only as his Divine Will and he needed to create a new body.

Also, Hades needs Athena dead or he can't take control over Earth.

Poseidon also needs Athena dead to drown the world.

Mars was going to kill Athena by absorbing her Cosmo, and the power of Darkness can also kill her.

Abzu was going to also end Athena

Saturn confirms that the dagger used on him can kill a God

So, yes the Gods have methods to perma end another god

Edit: to add this Athena stabbed herself with the same dagger that was used on Saturn. She later came back.

 

[Antvasima]

I was asked to close this thread, as the suggested revisions have been accepted. Is it fine if I do so?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I was asked to close this thread, as the suggested revisions have been accepted. Is it fine if I do so?

Yeah i created the thread. I'll start applying what is accepted.

3 knowledgable members

EmperorRopeMe
Sage_God_Slayer
and me (myself; but im the OP so idk if it counts)

has accepted.

4 staff members

DarkDragonMedues
Shadowbokunohero
Effiecient (he recommended a slight change the justifications which i have done so)
Ogbunabali (he also recommended some changes to the justifications which i have done so)

have also accepted them

Edit: All that's left is to add them to affected profiles which i can get started doing in a bit.

 

[Kumagawaa]

Typhon is considered a Primordial. Athena destroyed his body and soul. he was existing only as his Divine Will and he needed to create a new body.

Also, Hades needs Athena dead or he can't take control over Earth.

Poseidon also needs Athena dead to drown the world.

Mars was going to kill Athena by absorbing her Cosmo, and the power of Darkness can also kill her.

Abzu was going to also end Athena

Saturn confirms that the dagger used on him can kill a God

So, yes the Gods have methods to perma end another god

Edit: to add this Athena stabbed herself with the same dagger that was used on Saturn. She later came back.

None of this is permanently killing a God. They will always come back from all of these

•Typhon iirc was never considered a Primordial God within the series, just a Giant iirc. Either way nothing you said talked about him being permanent dead

•Nothing shoes him needing Athena to be permanently dead, just dead for a certain amount of time so he can take control over the earth in her absence which can be limited time or infinite time which infinite time would be permanent death if she died in context

•Same for Poseidon as with Hades

•We don’t know if she would have been permanently dead because Gods are eternal and immortal.

•We still don’t know if Abzu was gonna permanently kill Athena or not.

•Killing a God≠permanently killing a God. EGA shows this point blank when Lost Shiryu says Anti Pope Aiolos killed Zeus yet Zeus isn’t and wasn’t permanently dead

•Nothing you said has shown or even implied that a God would be permanently dead.

•To explain again, by permanent death I’m talking about where the God doesn’t come back ever. This was only happened to Uranus which was negated by EGR.

Are we forgetting what Pontos's character is like?

He deceived all 12 titans. Stole their Dunamis. He even Manipulated their memories, and mind controlled Hyperion (iirc)

He even stole the power of Lightening from another titan and gave it to a Younger Zeus (before Zeus went to war with Cronos)

Pontos's Goal is too unseal Gaia Episode G out of Love for her. Not unseal Uranus. Not helping Uranus. Dude has a sis serious sis complex

There is a lot of development we are missing in requiem right now.

hell you could argue that the Primordial have High Godly regen but that is a CRT on its own at some other point in time.

and why are taking a single line from Steropes as fact and applying headcanon to that single line. Nothing in Requeium right now proves he is alive.

• His character in EGA has nothing to do with EGR considering he literally regrets doing what he did for the Titans and al l he wants to do is awaken his mother Gaia. Even then, his character wouldn’t have anything to do with the argument at all?

• High Godly regen would even hard to argue for tbh.

•Steropes line is like the most credible line ever considering we are introduced that there’s a construct called the Land of the Gods. It’s also very credible considering he is the actual child to Uranus and Gaia so if he says that Uranus is alive and wants Uranus to return him back to the Land of the Gods then 99% chance that Uranus is currently dwelling inside of that construct and Uranus sent Steropes to Earth.

•Iirc we’re also shown his soul at the end of one chapter? So like there’s substantial evidence that Uranus is alive in EGR and it’s really hard to argue against

I said according to the wiki. I believe there is strictly only 1 god for the whole multiverse. I tried debating this idea before and it was rejected. The wiki believes the only Hades we see later is an alternate universe hades.

Ehh, I don’t really go off of Wiki’s. There’s only 1 SS wiki I’ve seen that seems to be credible but it’s in Spanish so I have no idea how credible it is. If one takes G as canon then they’d logically have to take GA as canon since chapter 87.5 of G leads into chapter 1 of GA but with like a 50 year time skip

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

None of this is permanently killing a God. They will always come back from all of these


•Typhon iirc was never considered a Primordial God within the series, just a Giant iirc. Either way nothing you said talked about him being permanent dead

"Há! Uma meretriz ordinária posando de protetora da Terra. E vocês são piores ainda, meros cachorrinhos dela! O Deus primordial que honramos nem sequer reconhece a sua

There is! An ordinary harlot posing as protector of the Earth. And you are even worse, mere puppies of hers! The primordial God we honor doesn't even recognize his"

Literally stated to be a Primordial God. Typhon literally couldn't go back to his true body because Athena destroyed it. Thats negation of Regen and Immortality, and he resist it because he still comes back. He is literally existing as his divine will. Again, literally stated to be existing as only his "Divine Will."

•Nothing shoes him needing Athena to be permanently dead, just dead for a certain amount of time so he can take control over the earth in her absence which can be limited time or infinite time which infinite time would be permanent death if she died in context

•Same for Poseidon as with Hades

What you said makes no sense. If he doesn't perma kill her. She will continue to have control over earth even with her not physically being there.

•We don’t know if she would have been permanently dead because Gods are eternal and immortal.

eternal and Immortal until those abilities are negated

•We still don’t know if Abzu was gonna permanently kill Athena or not.

Again the Earth is under her Divine Protection. Abzu would never be able to conquer it unless shes perma dead. So far dead that not even her metaphysical-self can exert a divine will.

•Killing a God≠permanently killing a God. EGA shows this point blank when Lost Shiryu says Anti Pope Aiolos killed Zeus yet Zeus isn’t and wasn’t permanently dead

Zeus resist negation of Immortaly and resist negation of Regen. And the 9th sense is not a way to perma kill a god. Aiolos even states he only made zeus sleep.

•Nothing you said has shown or even implied that a God would be permanently dead.

Everything you said is twisted context, and miscontexualization to fit a your interpretation and narrative.

•To explain again, by permanent death I’m talking about where the God doesn’t come back ever. This was only happened to Uranus which was negated by EGR.

By negated you mean retcon? Because thats not the case. uranus is so far dead that Pontos has to revive him from the dead.

• His character in EG has nothing to do with EGR considering he literally regrets doing what he did for the Titans and al l he wants to do is awaken his mother Gaia. Even then, his character wouldn’t have anything to do with the argument at all?

Yes this is important context. You can't just throw out his plan, his motive, his goal, and his personality out the window to fit your interpretation and narrative.

•Steropes line is like the most credible line ever considering we are introduced that there’s a construct called the Land of the Gods. It’s also very credible considering he is the actual child to Uranus and Gaia so if he says that Uranus is alive and wants Uranus to return him back to the Land of the Gods then 99% chance that Uranus is currently dwelling inside of that construct and Uranus sent Steropes to Earth.

He never said Uranus is a live and the dude seems mad and crazy to me. Hes full of himself, boastful, hubris. Sounds like mad rantings of a kid that misses his father. Flowery language

•Iirc we’re also shown his soul at the end of one chapter? So like there’s substantial evidence that Uranus is alive in EGR and it’s really hard to argue against

So apparently having no body to return means nothing? Dude is dead. Has no body, and even then. hes so far dead he ain't coming back. Pontos is reviving him for some purpose possibly related to Gaia. KEY WORD IS REVIVING. hes dead.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

To add more to this

Saturn literally states the Dagger would kill an Ordinary God, and Athena used this same dagger to kill herself to help her awaken her 8th sense, and she still regens later!


Classic Resistance to Regen & Immortality Negation.

 

[Kumagawaa]

"Há! Uma meretriz ordinária posando de protetora da Terra. E vocês são piores ainda, meros cachorrinhos dela! O Deus primordial que honramos nem sequer reconhece a sua

There is! An ordinary harlot posing as protector of the Earth. And you are even worse, mere puppies of hers! The primordial God we honor doesn't even recognize his"

Literally stated to be a Primordial God. Typhon literally couldn't go back to his true body because Athena destroyed it. Thats negation of Regen and Immortality, and he resist it because he still comes back. He is literally existing as his divine will. Again, literally stated to be existing as only his "Divine Will."

Aren’t all these fan translations? Don’t know how credible fan translations would be. Though nonetheless, regardless if it’s true then he seems to be a Primrodial God. Though nothing you said shows him dying permanently as he still exists.

What you said makes no sense. If he doesn't perma kill her. She will continue to have control over earth even with her not physically being there.

When she comes back, she will presumably be reborn as a baby like she is before every Holy War. We know the Thanatos and Hypnos can see everything within the Underworld on a universe scale, Hades controlling the Earth would more than likely be able to see every event in the planet which then he would kill her every single time ad Infinitum. It makes perfect sense.

Zeus resist negation of Immortaly and resist negation of Regen. And the 9th sense is not a way to perma kill a god. Aiolos even states he only made zeus sleep.

We actually have no idea if he resist immortality negation and regeneration negation? Not to mention nobody even states the 9th sense is a way to perma kill a God and Zeus is the one who state’s that when he comes back after getting “killed”. The point that I was making is that when it says to “kill a god”, nothing implies it means permanently. That’s just assumption.

Everything you said is twisted context, and miscontexualization to fit a your interpretation and narrative.

This is very false and all of it and everything you said still doesn’t fit the definition that I’m portraying as permanently killed which you seem to have ignored.

By negated you mean retcon? Because thats not the case. uranus is so far dead that Pontos has to revive him from the dead.

I literally just gave evidence that he’s not dead… Steropes statement. Pontos using his power….

He never said Uranus is a live and the dude seems mad and crazy to me. Hes full of himself, boastful, hubris. Sounds like mad rantings of a kid that misses his father. Flowery language

He’s very boastful like most Gods seem to be when fighting against humans but none of that goes against Uranus being alive. Him blatantly telling Uranus to let him back into the Land of the Gods just means Uranus is alive and has the ability to do so, I don’t see how that’s so hard to get?

So apparently having no body to return means nothing? Dude is dead. Has no body, and even then. hes so far dead he ain't coming back. Pontos is reviving him for some purpose possibly related to Gaia. KEY WORD IS REVIVING. hes dead.

Having no body doesn’t mean anything at all? We’ve seen that beings existing only as a soul arent “dead”. Pontos isn’t even “reviving” Uranus in the sense that he’s dead, because we clearly see his astral projection meaning he’s certainly alive but there’s more reason as to why he can’t or hasn’t done anything. There’s literally nothing showing he’s dead besides the statement in G and there’s much evidence and reasoning that would support him being alive rather than dead.

Saturn literally states the Dagger would kill an Ordinary God, and Athena used this same dagger to kill herself to help her awaken her 8th sense, and she still regens later!

Once again, the term “kill a god” isn’t used to permanently kill a major God by making them never coming back, every time a God has “died”, they’ve never been PERMANENTLY killed. All of the feats you’re showing literally shows that every God is alive or have came back. The closest we’ve gotten to permanently killing a God is Uranus and GR is literally going against that, especially since it’s stated a billion times that Gods can’t die and they only enter a deep sleep.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

We don’t really lack context in requiem? There’s been statements of Steropes telling Uranus to send him back to the Land of the Gods which means he’s alive. Pontos is also using Uranus’ power so I don’t see why he wouldn’t alive? I don’t recall using another Gods power when they’re considered “permanently dead”.

The Titans do not even have the power to destroy souls, and their weapons cannot kill immortal gods, so Uranus is alive as a soul without a physical body.

The only time we seen another universe Hades is when Shiryu sees the events of the ‘Lost’ World where the God Saints lose to Hades-Shun. The only way you can say that it’s another universe Hades is if you argue that EGA is a completely different timeline which can be argued and likewise can be argued against.

We’ve seen other Gods get killed but which one of them have been Titans, Olympians or Primordials? The Titans are just sealed in Tartarus still, the Primordials are sealed and not dead. Half the Olympians haven’t appeared yet and the ones that have, none of them permanently died unless you just argue the true canon is just Classic and ND which Hades would be dead in.

The future world of Assasin is an alternate world, therefore, the Hades of that world is different from that of the classic manga, even the story of that world is different. The Hades of the classic manga is dead and the world of the dead was destroyed with the death of the god.

The immortality of the gods is never described differently, Hypnos, Thanatos and Ker have the same immortality as Athena and Hades. The only ones that are different are the Cyclops and Titans, because they are described as an inferior race and the Titans are dead, because their soul is in the depths of the Tartarus and they can never return. The canon is not important in this franchise, because everything is canon in the multiverse, but there are parallel worlds with a story different.

 

[Kumagawaa]

The Titans do not even have the power to destroy souls, and their weapons cannot kill immortal gods, so Uranus is alive as a soul without a physical body.

Iirc didn’t Kreios state that his Soma has the ability to cut the soul which was in his fight against Shura and bypassed the Gold Cloth to cut us body, soul and Cosmo.

The future world of Assasin is an alternate world, therefore, Hades of that world is different from the classic manga, even the story of that world is different. Hades of the classic manga is dead and the world of the dead was destroyed.

What makes it in an alternate world? And what do you mean by the story of the world?

The immortality of the gods is never described differently, Hypnos, Thanatos and Ker have the same immortality as Athena and Hades. The only ones that are different are the Cyclops and Titans, because they are described as an inferior race and the Titans are dead, because their soul is in the depths of the Tartarus and they can never return.

I agree with the immortality part for the Gods. Also what makes the Titans an inferior race of Gods. Ehh, the Titans being dead can be argued since Pontos did state they can’t return or something like that in GR though weren’t their souls sealed in Tartarus in EG and they were released/“revived” by Pontos?

 

[Kumagawaa]

Also to add on to the part about Uranus being alive, doesn’t he actually say a line the time his appearance is introduced in EGR? I can’t fully remember to assert it though.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Aren’t all these fan translations? Don’t know how credible fan translations would be. Though nonetheless, regardless if it’s true then he seems to be a Primrodial God. Though nothing you said shows him dying permanently as he still exists.

He has no body! His true body and soul are permanently gone. he can't regen a new one.

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Their official Portuguese scans which are better than English translations lol

When she comes back, she will presumably be reborn as a baby like she is before every Holy War. We know the Thanatos and Hypnos can see everything within the Underworld on a universe scale, Hades controlling the Earth would more than likely be able to see every event in the planet which then he would kill her every single time ad Infinitum. It makes perfect sense.

Hypnos and Thanatos don't qualify for these abilities.

We actually have no idea if he resist immortality negation and regeneration negation? Not to mention nobody even states the 9th sense is a way to perma kill a God and Zeus is the one who state’s that when he comes back after getting “killed”. The point that I was making is that when it says to “kill a god”, nothing implies it means permanently. That’s just assumption.

9th sense is in no way a way to perma kill a god. if it was that simple every god could do it. Which simply is not the case. However, Athena has shown she can perma kill gods with her power. An Arrow endwoed with her divine power (blessings) was used on Zeus. It did nothing.

Zeus resisted the negation of regen and immortalities.

This is very false and all of it and everything you said still doesn’t fit the definition that I’m portraying as permanently killed which you seem to have ignored.

seems like if it doens't fit your interpretation and narrative you will just continue disagreeing.

I literally just gave evidence that he’s not dead… Steropes statement. Pontos using his power….

He’s very boastful like most Gods seem to be when fighting against humans but none of that goes against Uranus being alive. Him blatantly telling Uranus to let him back into the Land of the Gods just means Uranus is alive and has the ability to do so, I don’t see how that’s so hard to get?

Uranus has no body. His body is gone. That is a literally an application of Negation of regen and immortality.

Having no body doesn’t mean anything at all? We’ve seen that beings existing only as a soul arent “dead”. Pontos isn’t even “reviving” Uranus in the sense that he’s dead, because we clearly see his astral projection meaning he’s certainly alive but there’s more reason as to why he can’t or hasn’t done anything. There’s literally nothing showing he’s dead besides the statement in G and there’s much evidence and reasoning that would support him being alive rather than dead.

What does being dead mean? Means having no body. The soul has left the body. This is literally the same case as Typhon. His regeneration of his body was negated.

Once again, the term “kill a god” isn’t used to permanently kill a major God by making them never coming back, every time a God has “died”, they’ve never been PERMANENTLY killed. All of the feats you’re showing literally shows that every God is alive or have came back. The closest we’ve gotten to permanently killing a God is Uranus and GR is literally going against that, especially since it’s stated a billion times that Gods can’t die and they only enter a deep sleep.

Once again. You literally ignored dozens of evidcen and it seems nothing i say will change your mind. If it doesn't fit your interpretation and narrative then your just going to disagree.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Iirc didn’t Kreios state that his Soma has the ability to cut the soul which was in his fight against Shura and bypassed the Gold Cloth to cut us body, soul and Cosmo.

What makes it in an alternate world? And what do you mean by the story of the world?

I agree with the immortality part for the Gods. Also what makes the Titans an inferior race of Gods. Ehh, the Titans being dead can be argued since Pontos did state they can’t return or something like that in GR though weren’t their souls sealed in Tartarus in EG and they were released/“revived” by Pontos?

This is derailing the thread

2 people oppose Regen negation and immortality negation with resistances

vs

2 knowledgeables and 4 staff

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Iirc didn’t Kreios state that his Soma has the ability to cut the soul which was in his fight against Shura and bypassed the Gold Cloth to cut us body, soul and Cosmo.

Kreios never mentions that it damages the soul, the description in that scene says that it damages the spirit/mind of the adversary.

What makes it in an alternate world? And what do you mean by the story of the world?

I agree with the immortality part for the Gods. Also what makes the Titans an inferior race of Gods. Ehh, the Titans being dead can be argued since Pontos did state they can’t return or something like that in GR though weren’t their souls sealed in Tartarus in EG and they were released/“revived” by Pontos?

In the story it is described as a possible future of the world, and it has some different details with the main universe, for example Kanon and Rada survived the Holy War, Shion is alive (he did not disappear with the rest of the Gold Saints that appeared in that world with the power of the Black Core, therefore, he is not a time and dimension traveler), Seiya has a different armor (the armor used against Apollo at the end of Overture) and he never recovered from the curse, Seiya never mentions his battle against Thanatos (as one of the gods he fought in the past), etc. The story of this world is different.

They were freed by Pontus and defeated by the Gold Saints, some of them were defeated by the power of the lightning of Aiolia (the Titans are weak to the lightning element and it neutralizes their regeneration) and others were killed when Gaia and the primordial gods absorbed their power, that is why their souls ended up in the depths of Tartarus, the world of the dead and they cannot return from that place, therefore, they are dead.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Kreios never mentions that it damages the soul, the description in that scene says that it damages the spirit/mind of the adversary.

In the story it is described as a possible future of the world, and it has some different details with the main universe, for example Kanon and Rada survived the Holy War, Shion is alive (he did not disappear with the rest of the Gold Saints that appeared in that world with the power of the Black Core, therefore, he is not a time and dimension traveler), Seiya has a different armor (the armor used against Apollo at the end of Overture) and he never recovered from the curse, Seiya never mentions his battle against Thanatos (as one of the gods he fought in the past), etc. The story of this world is different.

They were freed by Pontus and defeated by the Gold Saints, some of them were defeated by the power of the lightning of Aiolia (the Titans are weak to the lightning element and it neutralizes their regeneration) and others were killed when Gaia and the primordial gods absorbed their power, that is why their souls ended up in the depths of Tartarus, the world of the dead and they cannot return from that place, therefore, they are dead.

This is derailing this thread.

 

[Kumagawaa]

He has no body! His true body and soul are permanently gone. he can't regen a new one.

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Their official Portuguese scans which are better than English translations lol

So he’s still alive? Okay.

Hypnos and Thanatos don't qualify for these abilities.

Thanatos literally showcases this and states it when he kills Pandora at the wailing wall.

9th sense is in no way a way to perma kill a god. if it was that simple every god could do it. Which simply is not the case. However, Athena has shown she can perma kill gods with her power. An Arrow endwoed with her divine power (blessings) was used on Zeus. It did nothing.

Zeus resisted the negation of regen and immortalities.

I never said it was a way to perma killed a God? There hasn’t been anything implying major Gods being perma killed. Yes that’s how Zeus got “killed” and it was stated he died and was killed yet it wasn’t a perma death.

also when??

seems like if it doens't fit your interpretation and narrative you will just continue disagreeing.

Literally you’ve never shown perma killing. Just statements of “killing a God” which I’ve stated many times what they mean and it doesn’t mean perma killing a God.

Uranus has no body. His body is gone. That is a literally an application of Negation of regen and immortality.

Are you trying to say that not having a body means you’re dead and perma killed? Him not having a body but still existing as a soul literally means he’s still alive. What are you not getting?

What does being dead mean? Means having no body. The soul has left the body. This is literally the same case as Typhon. His regeneration of his body was negated.

That’s not what dead means? Dead just means no longer alive?? If I’m a soul and I’m still doing things that people can do except I’m a soul, why would I be dead? Does that mean Yato, Yuzuriha and Asmita were dead when they were doing things in the Underworld? No they were alive and not under Hades will. They were just a soul, not a dead soul.

Once again. You literally ignored dozens of evidcen and it seems nothing i say will change your mind. If it doesn't fit your interpretation and narrative then your just going to disagree.

Lol sure, any person with common sense who knows the series knows that when the series talks about “killing a God” doesn’t mean killing him and they never ever come back, especially when the series showcases the narrative that Gods are immortal and can’t die, especially in the G series which is the narrative you’re against. The evidence was already elaborated on. This is just complete ad nauseam and probably would never see an ending.

 

[Kumagawaa]

Kreios never mentions that it damages the soul, the description in that scene says that it damages the spirit/mind of the adversary.

In the story it is described as a possible future of the world, and it has some different details with the main universe, for example Kanon and Rada survived the Holy War, Shion is alive (he did not disappear with the rest of the Gold Saints that appeared in that world with the power of the Black Core, therefore, he is not a time and dimension traveler), Seiya has a different armor (the armor used against Apollo at the end of Overture) and he never recovered from the curse, Seiya never mentions his battle against Thanatos (as one of the gods he fought in the past), etc. The story of this world is different.

They were freed by Pontus and defeated by the Gold Saints, some of them were defeated by the power of the lightning of Aiolia (the Titans are weak to the lightning element and it neutralizes their regeneration) and others were killed when Gaia and the primordial gods absorbed their power, that is why their souls ended up in the depths of Tartarus, the world of the dead and they cannot return from that place, therefore, they are dead.

Are you going by the kanji for Kreios description or a translation that isn’t English?

And since it’s said it’s derailing then thread, this point would come up another time in the future.

And ohhh hmm

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Lol sure, any person with common sense who knows the series knows that when the series talks about “killing a God” doesn’t mean killing him and they never ever come back, especially when the series showcases the narrative that Gods are immortal and can’t die, especially in the G series which is the narrative you’re against. The evidence was already elaborated on. This is just complete ad nauseam and probably would never see an ending.

it appears neither of us will agree with the other here. we will just continue debating each other at a standstill.

but 2 other knowledgeable members other than myself who do follow the series and know about it. do agree with me here.

 

[KingTempest]

https://vsbattles.com/members/kingtempest.9980/#profile-post-8508

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