The general gist is the Saints who entered the UW either died or volunteered their bodies, and in some cases (like Shaka's) their bodies were destroyed completely, and they as a soul left the underworld (the bronzes in ND) with a new body (despite their original bodies being forfeited).
The regeneration of the Saints with Eighth Sense is only Low-Godly, because they never regenerate their body after the explosion of the Wailing Wall that destroyed the Gold Saints their body and soul. In ND they only return as spirits without a physical body, therefore they do not regenerate their body this time.
Didn't see anything about atomic destruction here.
Having a body in the afterlife is not really regeneration unless specified. It's extremely common in fiction for this to happen.
Resistance to Death Manipulation is fine, but I don't see any reason for resisting Law Manipulation. They just don't get killed by Hades' realm.
I'll be honest, this just looked like a random assortment of scans here. I have no idea what's going in any of them. You should present them more cohesively, as not everyone is knowledgeable about this verse.
Actually it should be resistance to Law Manipulation by virtue of when you awaken the 8th Sense you are not bound to the rules or laws of the Underworld. This is why they don't die automatically when they go in, it is also why Shaka is able to freely move around in the Underworld despite that he 'should be dead' after being annihilated. The entire point here is that Athena and the Gold Saints could not actually invade the Underworld because as you as they enter, they become a soul bound to the will of Hades. The 8th Sense bypasses that. Although this might not be clear to those who haven't read it, that is the context.
It is the basic power of the cosmos, because the warriors in this franchise destroy matter by attacking its atoms.
Shaka is not dead in the afterlife, even Mu indicates that Shaka was not dead in that place, therefore, he was not just a soul and has a physical body.
I see, but they seem to need to activate it first, no? To be considered passive, it needs to be active as a default.
I see. Is this being a common ability internally consistent, though, and not just a special circumstance that happened? Why didn't everyone else resurrect, for instance?
it's not in-character for the main 12 Gold Saints to resurrect themselves in that manner, not that they even can as their souls were later destroyed at the wailing wall. So so far, it is consistent.
8th sense is kinda like a transformation of sorts, it’s a state of being. If a character Who has the 8th sense is used, they auto get those passives associated with it. A 7th sense character can unlock the 8th tho midfight, albeit rarely. Also, by the time the gold saints unlocked this ability, they were invading the underworld, so using the body created and getting out of it, was not an option.
Hope u solved the fire thing
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It seems that the Regeneration or point 3 of the topic is accepted, the problem is the point 1, 2, 4 and 5 of the topic.
so what makes this possibly, rather than for sure for the regen and immortality.
with enough support id be fine with it
Wouldn’t that just make sealing different than being killed?
despite having the power to kill each other they opt to seal each other? Including the titans as an example and even typhon opted to do this with Zeus. Athena, and zeus both opted to seal typhon as well. (Although it is confirmed that Athena did destroy his body and soul so he had to create a new one)
I see makes sense.
One detail on this, in Requiem it was revealed that Uranus is not dead, therefore, we do not know if the Titans' weapons have the power to permanently kill immortal gods such as Athena, Hades, Poseidon, etc.
The seal has nothing to do with what was discussed in this topic, they probably seal the rival because they don't want to kill him. And the Titans regeneration is much less impressive than the other gods, because it is an inferior race, similar to the Cyclops, Stereopes in the last chapter of Requiem was killed when Seiya (without God Cloths or a sacred treasure) destroyed half of his body with his Suisei Ken. In addition, we do not know if the gods like Athena, Hades and Poseidon had their sacred treasures in the battle with the Titans, because these weapons are much more powerful than the lightning of Zeus, a weapon that Zeus only obtained at the end of the battle and defeated with this weapon all the Titans.
I question if that is really Uranus
Uranus is one of the pillar gods (the other pillars are the rest of the primordial gods) and in the last chapters it is even said that Uranus lent his power to Pontus to destroy the constellations. Therefore, Uranus exists and is alive, although it is probably weakened in some way.
It is probably a retcon by Okada, since now new concepts have been introduced in the franchise, as Kurumada's latest works introduce the concept that a god can only die for a sacred treasure, even in the last chapter of Zero it is mentioned that Shura can kill Athena and she will only be resurrected. Only a sacred treasure can destroy the divine spirit of the gods and kill it forever.
So you disagree with the Titans having any rating of regen negation?Uranus is one of the pillar gods (the other pillars are the rest of the primordial gods) and in the last chapters it is even said that Uranus lent his power to Pontus to destroy the constellations. Therefore, Uranus exists and is alive, although it is probably weakened in some way.
The demonic woman who appears in the story is the body of Gaea (a retcon or design change by Okada), which Pontus intends to bring back from Episode.G, but she is a different god than Uranus, who communicates through one of the pillars and we can see the silhouette of a god with male form.
The primordial gods mention that they are immortal and this is a characteristic of the great gods like Athena and them, therefore, the reason why they are alive is because they are immortal gods, and this means that Cronus could not kill an immortal god like Uranus.
Another example of a god who belongs to an inferior race and cannot kill immortals.
A Cyclops (another inferior race) like Stereopes cannot kill Seiya with the immortality that Shun (with a fraction of Hades' powers) had granted him, he even had to remove Hades' sword (the weapon that bound Seiya to the world of the living and made him immortal) from his shadow to neutralize his immortality and be able to kill him.
It is probably a retcon by Okada, since now new concepts have been introduced in the franchise, as Kurumada's latest works introduce the concept that a god can only die for a sacred treasure, even in the last chapter of Zero it is mentioned that Shura can kill Athena and she will only be resurrected. Only a sacred treasure can destroy the divine spirit of the gods and kill it forever.
In Dark Wing and Sho it is even clearly mentioned that they cannot kill the gods without a sacred treasure.
Chapter 2 of Dark Wing:
Shouchiro: ええと... アテを倒すって... その...
Shouchiro: 殺す... のか...?
Yoruhime: 神は殺すことができないわ
Yorumine: だからハーデス様の小宇宙を込めたこの漆黒の矢を....
Yoruhime:「三巨頭」の小宇宙を持つ貴方がアテナの胸に打ち込むの
Zhu: ウチくらいの小宇宙だとアテナの小宇宙に弾かれてしまうんだよね
A concept that probably first appeared in the second season of Omega, where even a Gold Saint like Seiya (one of the most powerful Gold Saints in the entire franchise) needs the Golden Dagger (Sword of Chrysus) to kill a weak god like baby Pallas.
Titans and Cyclops, described in Requiem as inferior races among the gods, do not have the latter two abilities (Regeneration Negation, and possibly resistance to Regeneration negation and Immortality negation) and even their regeneration (with the exception of Cronus) is less impressive (they are also weak to the lightning element, which neutralizes their regeneration).
its only for the ones who have profiles on the wiki.
Yes, but your example in the description of those skills includes the Titans.
The problem is that this does not apply to all gods with pages in the wikia, as this only applies to some gods such as Athena (Saori), Pallas (probably?, although this goddess does not have a page), Saturn and Eris, these last two gods are described as difficult to destroy even among gods. Eris is even described as a goddess attached to her concept in the world, a characteristic that other gods do not have, even in the last chapter of Saintia Sho it is described that this goddess cannot exist in a world without discord and chaos. And Saturn literally says that Seiya's attack with the golden dagger could have killed any other god.
he doesn't have a profile and would need a separate CRT
Could you look on the page here and tell me what "Gods" should not have it in your opinion?
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The Resistance to Regeneration Negation and Immortality negation:Could you look on the page here and tell me what "Gods" should not have it in your opinion?
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Saint Seiya/Knights Of The Zodiac is a manga by Masami Kurumada from 1986 to 1991. It told the story of the Saints, a group of powerful warriors who are sworn to fight as the army of the Goddess Athena. Along the series, they face various Holy Wars against Deities who wish to claim Athena's...
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Again we lack context on Requiem. It is confirmed that Uranus died. Pontos os reviving him which os outside help/outside interference that's not the same as him "being alive." Hes so dead that he needs help from outside people to be brought back.
The regeneration and immortality negation if they have that, because the God Cloths are sacred treasures (it is an armor infinitely close to a Kamei and has the cosmos and the divine protection of Athena by the blood of the goddess, therefore it grants the power to kill and hurt the immortal gods) and the attacks of Seiya and company killed Hypnos and Thanatos forever. The only God Saint who does not have this power is Tenma, because even he could not destroy a minor god forever like Morpheus (the god's soul still existed after his attack) and neither did he completely eliminate his mother (in the Gaiden Aries it is mentioned that her soul and she still existed in the Tenkai/Olimpo).
The seal of Kairos did not seal his power, the effect was different and forced him to reincarnate as a human. The only limitation of his power is that he is in a human body and cannot change bodies like Thanatos, Hypnos, Hades and Poseidon. The seal puts him in a similar situation to Athena who also reincarnates as a human.
These gods have Regeneration and Immortality negation. Abzu can eliminate anything in his universe because he is the origin of everything (the void or darkness that gave birth to the universe). And I don't remember if Odin is described as the creator of the Draupnir.
The weapons of the Titans (weapons created by Gaea) never showed the power to kill forever immortal gods such as Athena, Hades, Poseidon, Thanatos, etc. Although Gaea is one of the most powerful gods in the franchise, therefore, she must have the power to kill other gods forever.
Hades, Poseidon and Zeus (main universe version, because the version of other universe is unknown if it is as powerful) probably have that resistance, because they are gods of Athena's level, but they don't have the feat. And Athena is a good goddess, she almost never tries to eliminate completely the opponent, even she did not eliminate Asclepius and only destroyed his body and trapped his soul in the Tartarus, an opponent that probably will be defeated with the arrow of the goddess (a sacred treasure of Athena).
