Sage Monarch Tier & Speed Fix

[Muchacho_mrm]

His first key.​

“Young Lord, your fist technique is marvelous, and clearly strong enough to shatter universes. You have my sincere respect. There’s no need for us to compete. I humbly concede.”

He swept his hand out in front of him and a host of universes appeared! It was like the duel had turned into a universal clash of the most epic proportions.

A fist strike that could connect parallel universes was definitely something that seemed like the work of the legion of gods.

Hmm? Grand Emperor Ragefire Broilheaven’s expression flickered and he unleashed a furious combination of palm techniques that contained the power of creation itself. Every step he took could melt universes, and his blows all caused something akin to lava to splash out.

So, this is the universe the Joyflower Palace created here in the Great Necropolis?’ Yang Qi was shocked by the endless universe of flowers and petals. When he inhaled, he sensed the fragrance of seemingly infinite flowers and could feel surging vital energy flowing through him.

As soon as the figure in blue arrived, the power tempests went calm and the passageway went still and quiet. The man seemed to pulse with the mysteries of universal destruction, as if he himself could reach out and grab countless parallel universes. To infuse one’s true energy with universal power, and one’s every movement with the transformations of numerous parallel universes, was something that ordinary Grand Emperors couldn’t do.

It stood to reason that the Shepherd was so strong he was invincible. His mere breathing could destroy universes, yet it wasn’t doing anything to the Mahātmā Jade.

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The God Legion Seal was broken into 3 parts. The complete thing is Low 1-C, Possibly 1-C. Current MC possesses the complete thing but I don't think he can release it's full power in his first key and his second key is stronger than the seal so it's useless.

However, him just combining 2 fragments caused changes to all world inferior to the god world, which would be 2-A + the sixth and eight dimensions. Then this should qualify for Low 1-C, Possibly 1-C for the complete seal, just verse wise, it's low on the Low 1-C, Possibly 1-C scale in comparison to his second key.

It's important to note that this is an argument for MC releasing it's power personally. The seal can act on it's own to release it's full power.


The tiering system says: "Characters who can significantly affect".

The combination of the two seals wasn’t just provoking transformations in Yang Qi himself, but also causing incalculable changes to the past, the present, and the future.

All worlds that were inferior to the god world were experiencing transformations.

And there was one person responsible: Yang Qi.

So the new change to his first key will be: At-least 2-C. Low 1-C, Possibly 1-C with the complete God Legion Seal.

His Second Key.​

His speed > teleportation portals.

With his Myriad Worlds Greater Teleportation and Tribulation Wings, Yang Qi’s flight speed was mind-boggling. Even experts of a higher level than him would never be able to catch him, and he was actually capable of speeds that could surpass many teleportation portals.

Physically stomping the past and the future:

Countless halos appeared around Yang Qi, causing him to grow taller, with his every step able to crush continents and seas, and reach the past and future.

Reaching into the past to recreate someone who died:

Yang Qi understood the profundities of genetics, the fundamentals of vivicreation, and had imperial-heaven pre-beginning powers. Because of that, it was possible for him to reach into the boundless river of time and draw out the life force quintessence of the Crown Prince from the impure lands.

A technique that can attack the past:

“Sage Monarch Grand Magic; Time Immemorial, Everlasting Existence; Invert the River of Time; Transform Ancient to Modern!”

A manifestation of his personal dao appeared behind him, the Sage Monarch Grand Magic, and a fist technique that could strike into the past itself.

So his second key should be Immeasurable with various techniques.

His Third Key.​

The above are Immeasurable attacks, not him personally going beyond time. Fortunately, he does so later as the MC goes back in time to steal an item. He didn't do it with his own strength, he did so using a formation and he says that the Annulled can reach both ends of the timeline.

“The end of time? The origin of time?”


His psyche expanded without limit until he saw two antipodes, one being the actual origin of time, and the other its end. Unfortunately, his psyche was currently not nearly capable of actually reaching those limits. Only Annulled will convergence could actually reach the origin and end of time.


As he roved through the river of time, he searched for the right vector, although he was having trouble keeping control. What he was doing was something few people could actually control.

But he then says the above psychically applies to Unbounded Will Convergence (level below Annulled).

Yang Qi felt like he had developed psychic antennae that could stretch out through all heaven and earth, allowing him to see the void of the universe and the antipodes of time. That was the sign of Unbounded will. With a single thought, all heaven and earth was under his control.

His second key: Similar to his first key, he should have 'omnipresent in the timeline with his will'

His third key: Just straight Immeasurable.

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Agree:​

Neutral:​

Disagree:​

 

[XVII]

agree

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Bump.

 

[Elizhaa]

I guess the proposals seem fine. Though, the countless universes statements could probably suggest a 2-B tier, not 2-C.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

At-least 2-C, Possibly 2-B should be fine then.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Pretty darn sure countless universes are just straight up 2B. Why would it be 2C?

 

[Arthex]

Which series is this? Sorry if this feels like a derail, since I m looking for novels to read.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Sage Monarch.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Pretty darn sure countless universes are just straight up 2B. Why would it be 2C?

Just going with the safe bet. Wasn't sure if people will agree with straight 2-B, with the reason being that he massively scales above those statements.

 

[XVII]

countless is kinda vague, but in this scenario it fits

actually, if we count "countless" as infinite then it actually should be

At least 2-B, possibly 2-A

so yeah, 2-B is more than fine

 

[Arthex]

Countless is not accepted as infinite as far as i know, only endless is and that too depends on the context.

Countless is just 2b, unless there is a slight chance that there are a infinite amount of universes honestly.

 

[XVII]

Countless is not accepted as infinite as far as i know, only endless is and that too depends on the context.

Countless is just 2b, unless there is a slight chance that there are a infinite amount of universes honestly.

if that's the case then i agree with keeping it 2-B then

 

[XVII]

also (found on google lol):
What is the difference between uncountable and infinite? Uncountable are the no. s beyond our own limit to count while infinite is something on which we cannot put any limit.

so like, uncountable would be something like 10/0 or 12^21673351275371635127
and infinity would be... well, infinite

so yeah, 2-B sounds more than fine to be honest

 

[Elizhaa]

I remember a case where countless was infinite in the Chinese translation, so checking the raws could be interesting.

At-least 2-C, Possibly 2-B should be fine then.

Edit: I found the chapter raws; 许多 is just used so 2-C is better, from the translation.

 

[XVII]

I remember a case where countless was infinite in the Chinese translation, so checking the raws could be interesting.

Edit: I found the chapter raws; 许多 is just used so 2-C is better, from the translation.

that is also really vague....

so maybe a At least 2-C, likely 2-B then?

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

that is also really vague....

so maybe a At least 2-C, likely 2-B then?

It seems to be a mistranslation, as the raw word is just 'many' or a-lot. Not countless 无数. So I switched things up to my original 2-C proposal.

 

[XVII]

ok, so i agree with 2-C fra

 

[Planck69]

2-C seems fine to me, as do the other proposals.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Is that enough input?

 

[Elizhaa]

I believe yes.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

The profile that needs unlocking is this one. The other profile I'll upgrade to 2-C is this one but it doesn't need unlocking.

 

[Elizhaa]

The profile that needs unlocking is this one. T

I unlocked the profile.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Thank you, I think I'm done.

 

[Elizhaa]

Glad to help; I locked the page.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

I've also made the changes to the other profile that scales too, so this thread has served it's purpose.

Thank you for everyone's contributions!

 

[Elizhaa]

Sure, I will lock the thread.