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Doubt it they will correct themselves on the backstory and all that,remains to be seen what else they sayBruce U126 said:
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Ryu vs Jin Kazama- Death Battle Edition
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Wondering what other feats they might include for them,i know Ryu will be given the bullet dodging feat and Jin the scaling from Heihachi catching a bullet most likely for speed
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No you are correct,Heihachi has caught a bullet with his teeth and called the gun a peashooterALRF said:
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Pretty sure they will, they have corrected mistakes in previews on full episodes like on Vergil's preview saying that his healing factor was like Wolverine's but better.BlackDarkness679 said:
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If they do,then i wanna see that happening once the episode comes out and hopefully they dont screw up saying Ryu wins from stuff like raging demon or power of nothignessBruce U126 said:
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SPOILERS
Ryu won.
Ryu won.
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Fight was really good
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Well this battle was something shocked ryu actually won since after Blanka vs Pikachu it only went downhill for Street Fighter in DB
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Whoops, but the episode was still great, I liked the 3d animation. ........BlackDarkness679 said:
Afro Samurai vs Samurai Jack!!! can't wait.
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Before anything else,i loved the animation,they respected them in the analysis and include more then i thought and it was cool to see this match happen
HOWEVER.....they screwed it up just like i thought they were going to do,they counted Heihachi surviving the raging demon from Akuma in the black bar in the corner,yet they didnt even went to talk that Heihachi and Kazuya in their base forms fought him on equal ground?Ryu doesnt scale to Akuma unless he goes Evil Ryu,they acted like Ryu is a fight for him in his base
They used tekken tag 2 feats,but they nitpicked on them and said at the results they are non canon so Jack feat doesnt count,but earlier on Jin part they said in the black bar from the corner,they can count them no problem,contradiction much Death Battle?
The meteor feat Akuma did was from a capcom fighting game evolution,a crossover and it was done by Shin Akuma,not even base Akuma and Ryu isnt even wishing to scale to Shin Akuma ever,not to mention Jin scales to Jack in base form and others that beat them,Ryu barely puts a fight against Akuma base,so yeah
Jin can control his powers since the tekken 6 events and tekken 7 made it more then clear at the end credits,Harada said the movie is half canon,not non canon and one little thing to add on that,tekken 7 shows flashbacks from past events,including a scene from Blood Vengeance,so yeah...
HOWEVER.....they screwed it up just like i thought they were going to do,they counted Heihachi surviving the raging demon from Akuma in the black bar in the corner,yet they didnt even went to talk that Heihachi and Kazuya in their base forms fought him on equal ground?Ryu doesnt scale to Akuma unless he goes Evil Ryu,they acted like Ryu is a fight for him in his base
They used tekken tag 2 feats,but they nitpicked on them and said at the results they are non canon so Jack feat doesnt count,but earlier on Jin part they said in the black bar from the corner,they can count them no problem,contradiction much Death Battle?
The meteor feat Akuma did was from a capcom fighting game evolution,a crossover and it was done by Shin Akuma,not even base Akuma and Ryu isnt even wishing to scale to Shin Akuma ever,not to mention Jin scales to Jack in base form and others that beat them,Ryu barely puts a fight against Akuma base,so yeah
Jin can control his powers since the tekken 6 events and tekken 7 made it more then clear at the end credits,Harada said the movie is half canon,not non canon and one little thing to add on that,tekken 7 shows flashbacks from past events,including a scene from Blood Vengeance,so yeah...
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i can keep going,but its known where im going anyway,they contradicted themselves,nitpicked and just poorly researched and this season could have been accurate till the end,apparently not
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https://twitter.com/harada_tekken/status/445188729070567424 here
He said its half canon,not non canon as death battle claimed,plus tekken 7 shows bits of the movie as well in the flashbacks of the story,before Kazuya goes to kill Heihachi with that punch
He said its half canon,not non canon as death battle claimed,plus tekken 7 shows bits of the movie as well in the flashbacks of the story,before Kazuya goes to kill Heihachi with that punch
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another example i found weeks ago was the novels for Devil May Cry,its said they are semi canon(or half canon),certain things happened,others not
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Mind if i get a link to that? @BlackDarkness679
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for Devil May Cry?that can be found on their wiki actually saying what is canon and not for their series
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That was actually a really well-done episode, and even though Jin would flawlessly win, they had a decent explanation for Ryu's victory, I didn't expect that. I'm glad they weren't doing a huge lowball of fighting game characters this time.
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I'm just happy Ryu won. Street Fighter was having too much of a crap time. I am not gonna argue whether they got Jin's stuff right or wrong, though, I know very little about Tekken.
@BlackDarkness: From what I got, the meteor thing, they said it wasn't canon and compared it to Akuma's feat, but from the way it was presented I got they also didn't consider canon Akuma's one (reason why it didn't come into the battle). So it more falls under your other point of their weird criteria over what's canon and what not (which I don't really disagree with).
I may be wrong on this one, but from what I get there's the irony that many people claim that DB did Ryu more justice by picking Jin as his opponent who would be more thematically similar but closer to him power wise, even though Jin is much more formidable than Scorpion and Ryu actually could have won that match back then (aware of no Mu no Ken and all that that didn't exist back then).
Say, doesn't Jin have two devil forms?
Animation aside, which as usual it delivered in full. You have to give them kudos to the research team. I mean, regardless of agreeing or disagreeing with their results, you can tell they are trying a lot harder to gauge properly what the characters are capable of. It's a far cry from earlier seasons which was reduced to who had the crazier feat, assume the other character didn't catch up, gloss over most of the stuff they couldn't figure out, ignore scaling altogether and frequent NLFs.
@BlackDarkness: From what I got, the meteor thing, they said it wasn't canon and compared it to Akuma's feat, but from the way it was presented I got they also didn't consider canon Akuma's one (reason why it didn't come into the battle). So it more falls under your other point of their weird criteria over what's canon and what not (which I don't really disagree with).
I may be wrong on this one, but from what I get there's the irony that many people claim that DB did Ryu more justice by picking Jin as his opponent who would be more thematically similar but closer to him power wise, even though Jin is much more formidable than Scorpion and Ryu actually could have won that match back then (aware of no Mu no Ken and all that that didn't exist back then).
Say, doesn't Jin have two devil forms?
Animation aside, which as usual it delivered in full. You have to give them kudos to the research team. I mean, regardless of agreeing or disagreeing with their results, you can tell they are trying a lot harder to gauge properly what the characters are capable of. It's a far cry from earlier seasons which was reduced to who had the crazier feat, assume the other character didn't catch up, gloss over most of the stuff they couldn't figure out, ignore scaling altogether and frequent NLFs.
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Yeah! My man Ryu won! Woo-hoo!
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@TartaChocolate:There is a difference in using a non canon feat from a character own series and using a non canon feat from a crossover,the Akuma meteor one as said comes from a crossover with dark stalker and red earth characters with street fighter, no one in street fighter can touch the dark stalker cast if you had to go by their feats from their respective franchises,even if you wanna consider the feat,Shin Akuma has done it,not base Akuma,Ryu isnt scaling to Akuma base,especially Shin
Not to mention they said in the text box in the corner that tekken tag games can be used as they dont contradict the main story,regardless of being non canon,yet later they said Jack meteor feat isnt counting cuz its non canon,they contradicted themselves there and basically nitpicked whatever feats they wanted to fit their argument for Ryu winning,tell me that doesnt sound to you like favoritism or ignorance for disregarding something that is crucial
Not to mention they said in the text box in the corner that tekken tag games can be used as they dont contradict the main story,regardless of being non canon,yet later they said Jack meteor feat isnt counting cuz its non canon,they contradicted themselves there and basically nitpicked whatever feats they wanted to fit their argument for Ryu winning,tell me that doesnt sound to you like favoritism or ignorance for disregarding something that is crucial
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He should have a second form,since Kazuya showed it in tekken 7 that he has two,Jin as well logically can have,plus it should be very clear that Kazuya final form comes from the movie,only slight changes to design
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@BlackDarkness: Eh? I wasn't considering the feat or anything, nor I was defending Death Battle; I simply said that I respected that they seem to be putting a lot more effort in their research than they used to, despite eventual mistakes and screwups.
What I meant with the meteor feat is that it seemed that they disregarded both as non canon, and the mistake they made fell into your other complaint that they were being too picky regarding what counted for Jin and what not, something I don't disagree with, that's all.
I wouldn't call it favoritism on their side, given if that was the case SF wouldn't have been their biggest punching bag for so long (seriously it was painful to look at the mockery they earned for their record in some places), but I won't deny it could be ignorance, poorly used criteria or simple mistakes on their side. Don't want to sound arrogant or pedant, but we all know Death Battle screws up, contradict themselves or are wishy washy with their arguments.
I can't give my two cents on the fight though, given I only know about Ryu but barely about Jin, my only experience with Tekken is playing a lot the third game when I was a little kid.
I know the game you mean: Capcom Fighting Evolution, I actually had fun with it, but I can see why many people dislike it. And I agree SF can't do much to Darksalkers and their insane powers, especially the likes of Jedah, Morrigan and to a lesser extent Dimitri and his stupidly sexy voice.
I got it mixed up, Kazuya was the one with two forms (I guess the confusion comes because I checked their profiles at the same time). Jin, as you say, should be able to get another one technichaly for the gene.
And again, just saying I'm happy Ryu won, but that's simply a personal thing (especially since I was expecting him to get horribly salughtered). Won't say their veredict was correct or anything for what I said before: I barely know about Jin. I understand you're disappointed and angry because you feel they screwed over Jin and I respect that, I can relate as well since it has happened to me before with DB. I am not being condescending or sarcastic or anything BTW, I am being sincere, I apologize if it comes the other way around.
What I meant with the meteor feat is that it seemed that they disregarded both as non canon, and the mistake they made fell into your other complaint that they were being too picky regarding what counted for Jin and what not, something I don't disagree with, that's all.
I wouldn't call it favoritism on their side, given if that was the case SF wouldn't have been their biggest punching bag for so long (seriously it was painful to look at the mockery they earned for their record in some places), but I won't deny it could be ignorance, poorly used criteria or simple mistakes on their side. Don't want to sound arrogant or pedant, but we all know Death Battle screws up, contradict themselves or are wishy washy with their arguments.
I can't give my two cents on the fight though, given I only know about Ryu but barely about Jin, my only experience with Tekken is playing a lot the third game when I was a little kid.
I know the game you mean: Capcom Fighting Evolution, I actually had fun with it, but I can see why many people dislike it. And I agree SF can't do much to Darksalkers and their insane powers, especially the likes of Jedah, Morrigan and to a lesser extent Dimitri and his stupidly sexy voice.
I got it mixed up, Kazuya was the one with two forms (I guess the confusion comes because I checked their profiles at the same time). Jin, as you say, should be able to get another one technichaly for the gene.
And again, just saying I'm happy Ryu won, but that's simply a personal thing (especially since I was expecting him to get horribly salughtered). Won't say their veredict was correct or anything for what I said before: I barely know about Jin. I understand you're disappointed and angry because you feel they screwed over Jin and I respect that, I can relate as well since it has happened to me before with DB. I am not being condescending or sarcastic or anything BTW, I am being sincere, I apologize if it comes the other way around.
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You are all good man no worries,but they just screwed up,all vs shows like death battle,the prediction videos from a good amount of people,the fan blogs from death battle if you seen them around,they all agreed Jin wins,although death battle likes to have a different opinion sometimes like in here for example
Yeah at least you are happy,but it would have been better if it was a legit win for Ryu,cuz this one just wasnt,also its true that street fighter was a punching bag in their show,but they are big fans of the series still and they said it long long ago in their earlier days and given that loss record,what other perfect way to end it with this very requested match,but anyway what was done was done
Im looking forward to the next match too,Samurai Jack should have this in the bag
Yeah at least you are happy,but it would have been better if it was a legit win for Ryu,cuz this one just wasnt,also its true that street fighter was a punching bag in their show,but they are big fans of the series still and they said it long long ago in their earlier days and given that loss record,what other perfect way to end it with this very requested match,but anyway what was done was done
Im looking forward to the next match too,Samurai Jack should have this in the bag
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Yeah, I also saw those veredicts, the reason why I though Ryu was done for. To be honest, I'm not happy so much because I think to myself "Ryu is stronger than Jin", quite the opposite I do believe Jin is the stronger of the two and DB got it wrong, I'm just happy SF gets a bit of fresh air after so long. I mean, VS debate fandom has sore losers (I don't mean fans upset or who disagree, but the ones with poor attitude who insult other people or don't care about debate just want their favorite to win), but it also has incredibly poor winners as well, guys who after a DB immediately take off to the loser's fanbase and begin to mock them. SF had a bad time with them for a while, just like FFVII.
Sorry, sorry... just rambling. Not gonna take more of your time with this.
Putting my bet into Jack as well, really hope he wins, and if he does it would be awesome they end the fight sequence with this:
https://i.imgur.com/xemDtEK.jpg
Sorry, sorry... just rambling. Not gonna take more of your time with this.
Putting my bet into Jack as well, really hope he wins, and if he does it would be awesome they end the fight sequence with this:
https://i.imgur.com/xemDtEK.jpg
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That would be dope,although they might do it for the end of the conclusion
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That was rather great
The animation and the art was on part for most of the time, Shame that Jin didn't win but hey I still enjoyed it
Still they scaled everything for Ryu from Akuma, I mean correct me if I am wrong but Ryu not even once defeated BASE Akuma let alone Shin Akuma right? I don't think scaling everything from him is right
BTW that U.I Ryu at the end of the battle was LIT lol
The animation and the art was on part for most of the time, Shame that Jin didn't win but hey I still enjoyed it
Still they scaled everything for Ryu from Akuma, I mean correct me if I am wrong but Ryu not even once defeated BASE Akuma let alone Shin Akuma right? I don't think scaling everything from him is right
BTW that U.I Ryu at the end of the battle was LIT lol
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That's true. Ryu only scales to Base Akuma in his Evil form. Other than that, Akuma was only toying with Ryu in Alpha 2, and Mu no Ken Ryu got washed by Base Akuma in SFV. Even in SFIII Ryu was beaten by One-Armed Oro (who is on par with Base Akuma).ZERO7772 said:
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Probably because they were using non-canon material for Mu no Ken Ryu. In canon, he has still got a long way to go, even with the Mu no Ken. Yeah, his progress is pretty slow since it's his concept that he doesn't stop training despite his losses. He must reach new heights when Capcom make a sequel to SFIII.
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The timeline for street fighter is this sf1->sf2->sf4->sf5->sf3 ,sf6 which was teased at the end credits will be after sf5 but still before sf3 events
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I am confused about something, that manga they showed where Ryu beat Akuma, what was it? Never seen or heard about it.
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Not necessarily. SFV might get another cinematic story at some point.BlackDarkness679 said:
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That was from SFIII Ryu Final Manga, but Ryu beating Akuma is inconsistent with canon anyway.
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Till that happens and Capcom does it,we have it like that at the momentBrainSWord74 said:
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From a manga but its inconsistent and non canon,that manga implies Ryu killed AkumaTartaChocholate said:
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Ah I seem thanks for clearing it up. It did strike me as odd as well, given Ryu being unable to catch up to Akuma is still kind of a plot point. And I agree with ZERO, for the face of the SF series they never cut some slack for the guy. I mean, he originally beat Sagat in SF1, then that got retconned; the series keep introducing characters that leave him in the dust; he never catches up to Akuma or other big tiers; and most of his equals are explicitely more talented than him (Ken, Sakura, etc) but since they train less because they have normal lives Ryu isn't left behind.
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He did beat Sagat in SFI in the Japanese canon, only the American one retconned it for some reason. And Ryu's potential was sensed by Oro himself. While Ken and Sakura do have potential to be on par with Akuma-tier people, Ryu is supposed to surpass Akuma eventually thanks to Oro, though writers don't want to ruin Akuma's character at the moment (since you know, Akuma is supposed to be an undefeated warrior).TartaChocholate said:
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Really? Just the american canon retconned it? I was familiar with the version that it was changed so it was too soon for Ryu to challenge Sagat and the loss made him take his first step with the Satsui no Hadou. It's a bit confusing actually >_>
Gotta hope Oro can help Ryu reach his full potential, though yeah, Akuma's power get crazier and crazier.
Gotta hope Oro can help Ryu reach his full potential, though yeah, Akuma's power get crazier and crazier.
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