Ryomen Sukuna vs. Serie

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Two top dogs of their respective verses.

Ryomen Sukuna

vs.

Serie

Rules:

• 15 Finger Sukuna in Yuji's body (Divine Flame is restricted unless proven it'd be fair)
  • Can also switch to Sukuna in Megumi's body if that also makes it more fair
• Cursed Energy and Mana are equalized
• Speed Unequalized
• Starting distance is 10 meters
• Fight takes place in Shibuya during the Shibuya Incident

Attack Potency Comparisons:

• Sukuna: Above 1.32 Kilotons of TNT
• Serie: Far above 1.0722 Kilotons of TNT

Speed Comparisons:

• Sukuna: Far above Mach 3
• Serie: At least Mach 11.754

Also this song and this song are bangers.​

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

With what she start and what stop Sukuna from Dismantle her with a look? Cuz she has human baseline Durability

 

[Xmark12]

With verse equalization, she senses Cursed Energy as Mana and immediately would know how strong Sukuna is (since he wouldn't suppress his CE/Mana at all), thus she'd simply either put up a barrier, or enhance her physical stats to defend against Dismantle.

There's a character in the verse who is literally just Sukuna, someone who uses invisible slashes at a range, and her slashes will always cut the target so long as she believes the target will be cut, however high level mages can detect those invisible slashes and simply defend against them with barriers or reinforcement, so Serie wouldn't be unfamiliar with Sukuna's tactics.

She also starts off with blowing the enemy up with a massive, durability negating beam that encompasses the entire body, so...

 

[Zabazab]

She also starts off with blowing the enemy up with a massive, durability negating beam that encompasses the entire body, so...

Zoltraak ain't durability negation. But, Serie does have access to a bunch of broken bs like Sorganeil & Reelseiden, and Mystilziela just kind of makes her immune to everything Sukuna has aside from Just Hands?

 

[Xmark12]

Zoltraak ain't durability negation.

Yall should change that on their profiles then, lol, but yeah.

 

[Zabazab]

Yall should change that on their profiles then, lol, but yeah.

I kicked it off the verse-specific Magic page, but tbh I should just drop the Serie revamp atp...

 

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[Phoenks]

With verse equalization, she senses Cursed Energy as Mana

I personally disagree with equating Cursed Energy to Mana. The only similarity they share is that they are "energy."

How exactly is Series supposed to win? Sukuna can spam danmaku invisible slash attacks and pretty easily kill her. Meanwhile Serie doesn't seem to have very much offensively, and even if she hits him, Sukuna has Mid regeneration that works very quickly, allowing him to take blow after blow.

A Domain Expansion is also pretty much an instantaneous win condition.

He even has the AP advantage and a huge movement speed advantage.

Along with the stamina and intelligence advantage.

 

[Huesito88]

Unequalize speed op!!!!

 

[Zabazab]

How exactly is Series supposed to win? Sukuna can spam danmaku invisible slash attacks and pretty easily kill her. Meanwhile Serie doesn't seem to have very much offensively, and even if she hits him, Sukuna has Mid regeneration that works very quickly, allowing him to take blow after blow.

A Domain Expansion is also pretty much an instantaneous win condition.

Mystilziela

 

[Xmark12]

I can unequalize speed, but gonna need more input so far.

 

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Bump

 

[Wankbreaker]

Serie wins. ubel literally has a nearly identical ability, and frieren mages are able to block it

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Sukuna uses Domain pretty often

Against Finger Bearer he used his Domain just because it survived his Dismantle
Against Gojo he used after some seconds
In Shibuya he used it after testing Mahoraga

He also got RCT and his Dismantle has two layers of invisibility and probably some resistance to extra sensorial perception
Her speed advantage is also not that big. Plus, Sukuna already fought against Gojo, who was FTE while using Blue

Sukuna probably mid diff at worst

 

[Xmark12]

If the two layers are it being Cursed Energy + it already being invisible to Jujutsu Sorcerers, Frieren mages are able to detect curses and see spirits, as seen with Frieren herself being able to sense curse magic, which is normally imperceptible and invisible. And, of course, like what was said before, Frieren mages can also defend against Ubel's magic, which works pretty much exactly like Cleave and Dismantle.

He also didn't use Domain right away vs. Mahoraga, he didn't use it at all vs. Jogo, or pretty much anyone else during the Culling Games, and even vs. Gojo they did a bit of clashing beforehand.

Mystilziela should be able to attack reflect all of the slashes back to Sukuna as well while in the Domain, the AP difference isn't that big where it'd be impossible to do so, especially since Serie is far and above the strongest mage in verse. The person who did the 1.0722 Kilotons of TNT feat gets neg diff'd by Frieren, who gets neg diff'd by Serie.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

If the two layers are it being Cursed Energy + it already being invisible to Jujutsu Sorcerers, Frieren mages are able to detect curses and see spirits, as seen with Frieren herself being able to sense curse magic, which is normally imperceptible and invisible. And, of course, like what was said before, Frieren mages can also defend against Ubel's magic, which works pretty much exactly like Cleave and Dismantle.

Sorcerers who can sense cursed energy and see invisible beings are unable to detect Dismantle, so Serie wouldn't be capable to sense Dismantle with just that
In fact, I don't even see extrasensorial perception on her profile

He also didn't use Domain right away vs. Mahoraga, he didn't use it at all vs. Jogo, or pretty much anyone else during the Culling Games, and even vs. Gojo they did a bit of clashing beforehand.

I didn't said that he uses it as first move, I said that he uses it pretty often (and quickly)
Like, against Mahoraga it took just three attacks to use Malevolent Kitchen
Jogo however was just playtime for him

pretty much anyone else during the Culling Games

You mean Yorozo? Theres a pretty obvious reason for that. He said numerous times that wouldn't use Shirne against her

Mystilziela should be able to attack reflect all of the slashes back to Sukuna as well while in the Domain

Any attack inside the domain doesn't exist until it hits you, so I doubt that

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Also, if mana and CE are equal, does it really work? Because everyone has CE but only a couple of people can see the Curses

 

[Zabazab]

Also, if mana and CE are equal, does it really work? Because everyone has CE but only a couple of people can see the Curses

Everyone has mana but only some people (mages) can perceive it.

 

[Xmark12]

Sorcerers who can sense cursed energy and see invisible beings are unable to detect Dismantle, so Serie wouldn't be capable to sense Dismantle with just that
In fact, I don't even see extrasensorial perception on her profile

Extrasensory Perception is in the general Mage Abilities page.

Any attack inside the domain doesn't exist until it hits you, so I doubt that

Mystilziela is similar to Domain Amplification or Simple Domain, and even if it's counted as a technique like Infinity and can be bypassed via the sure-hit effect, Frieren barriers are similar to barriers in JJK, as mages in Frieren use a concrete image as a base for their magic, and barriers have parameters that can be deciphered, calculated, and adjusted as well.

Also, if mana and CE are equal, does it really work? Because everyone has CE but only a couple of people can see the Curses

What Zabazab said, everyone in Frieren has mana like how everyone has CE in JJK, but only mages can perceive mana and the flow of mana, so equalizing the powers, Serie would definitely be able to see CE, and considering curses in Frieren are also indetectable to most mages, yet high level mages can still detect them, Serie would definitely be able to see Cleave and Dismantle.

Serie also has incredible instincts as well, which hasn't been mentioned yet. She can identify if a participant standing before her is merely a clone, pinpoint the location of his real body, and discern his current activities. If she really can't see the slashes even after all of that, she can just pull off a Maki and avoid the slashes anyways via her instincts.

 

[Xmark12]

Also decided to unequalize speed. If anyone thinks it'll be too unfair, speed can be equalized again.

 

[Zabazab]

Mystilziela is also just like an aura emanating off of Serie, and reflected spawn-on attacks like Diagoldze. You'd need to argue that a Domain would null Mystilziela to allow the sure-hit (like it does with Infinity or Idle Transfiguration), but that aspect of the Domain would just be reflected as part of the Curse too.

 

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[Tatsumi504]

Mystilziela basically hard counters anything Sukuna does that isn't physical strikes leaving Serie's entire kit available for her.
Voting Serie

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Can someone at least show what the heck is a Mystilziela

 

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Mystilziela

This right here. The context is the guy has magic that turns things into gold with a touch, like Mahito changing your soul with a touch, but it was going to be reflected with Mystilziela.

 

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[Arkenis]

This right here. The context is the guy has magic that turns things into gold with a touch, like Mahito changing your soul with a touch, but it was going to be reflected with Mystilziela.

So it'll reflect Dismantle/Cleave back onto Sukuna? Serie FRA

 

[Xmark12]

I see 1 for Sukuna and 3 for Serie, unless Phoenks also counts as a vote for Sukuna.

Also I have no clue why Serie isn't Extraordinary Genius like Frieren. She's lived longer and Frieren explicitly states that she can't win in a fight vs. Serie, which would make her much smarter than Sukuna too. It's also stated that Serie thrives in war, and she's considered a "war mage," so that intelligence would extend to combat as well.

 

[Arkenis]

I see 1 for Sukuna and 3 for Serie, unless Phoenks also counts as a vote for Sukuna.

Also I have no clue why Serie isn't Extraordinary Genius like Frieren. She's lived longer and Frieren explicitly states that she can't win in a fight vs. Serie, which would make her much smarter than Sukuna too. It's also stated that Serie thrives in war, and she's considered a "war mage," so that intelligence would extend to combat as well.

Should probably make a crt for that intell upgrade.

 

[Xmark12]

It probably shouldn't make too much of a difference here anyways.

Bump btw

 

[GunshyFever]

Correcting the OP: 15F Sukuna in Yuji's body scales to 1.32 kilotons of TNT, as nobody scales to Uraume's ice creation feats and the Ryu Granite blast feat is incorrect and up for re-calculation. This changes the matchup to 1.32 kilotons of TNT (15F Sukuna) vs 1.0722 kilotons of TNT (Serie), which is just a 1.2x difference in Sukuna's favor, which isn't much. This means they would be relative physically, with Sukuna barely having the advantage.

 

[Xmark12]

Oh, I just assumed that Sukuna would be more powerful than Uraume, since, well, even at 15f he's considered a top tier.

I can change it though, it doesn't change much. Serie seems to be ahead in votes even if we keep the Uraume AP scaling.

 

[Arkenis]

Oh, I just assumed that Sukuna would be more powerful than Uraume, since, well, even at 15f he's considered a top tier.

He is stronger, there’s just no scaling to Uraume, like most don’t scale to them

 

[GunshyFever]

Oh, I just assumed that Sukuna would be more powerful than Uraume, since, well, even at 15f he's considered a top tier.

JJK doesn't have a UES, meaning that Uraume's ice formations don't scale to her physicals, meaning Sukuna can't scale to it. However, you are right, nobody in the verse apart from Gojo would be able to defeat 15F Sukuna in Yuji's body. (Unless we are talking MBA Kashimo, but I don't even believe the High 7-C calc he scales to is right, as it could just be Uraume deactivating her CT after entering her domain and Sukuna was only holding up his hand to hold his cursed tool.) So if we consider that, then yeah, 15F Sukuna would be a god tier of the verse.

 

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