Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Agnaa]

@Twisted_Little_Raven Has asked to be unbanned, due to not being banned on FCOC/JBW, and wishing to participate in their forums. Saying they're willing to accept an immediate permaban if they ever post in the VSBW section.

I know im an egotistical immature crybaby. I apologize, but if I can't be allowed to use the forum on for even those sites, its fine. Even if somebody pings me from vsb, or rvr, I would still not be allowed to reply to it as that would be rule dancing in this instance.

I'm personally against this, since they were banned due to (among other things) bypassing the slur filter to say the n-word, that possesses a risk to all of our communities as something linked to Fandom.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It is an unfortunate thing, if one of the wikis bans a user but the others have an inability to have their own say on that. That said, the nature of Raven's offense might earn them a ban anyways? I'm not sure how FC/OC staff would feel about that, truthfully.

@Antvasima Is it possible to ban people from particular segments of the forum? I know we can threadban, but is it possible to set up a ban from all of VSBW, while leaving access to FC/OC and JBW intact? I'd rather not leave it to chance, if we were to humor this request, if possible.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think so, no.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@Twisted_Little_Raven Has asked to be unbanned, due to not being banned on FCOC/JBW, and wishing to participate in their forums. Saying they're willing to accept an immediate permaban if they ever post in the VSBW section.

I'm personally against this, since they were banned due to (among other things) bypassing the slur filter to say the n-word, that possesses a risk to all of our communities as something linked to Fandom.

Yeah, I'd rather no take risks. Normally, her actions would realistically warrant being globally blocked across all Fandom platforms, let alone our sister platforms. Though the respective bans of those wikis are decided among the staff of those communities. But unfortunately, as Antvasima laid out, there isn't a way to block her from the VS Battles forum without banning from the other forums, nor is bans from entire boards; just thread bans being separate from forum bans.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Well, I've had enough of this guy, @Ciel_Trinity439. I would like to request a block option so that I don't have to see his messages. He's definitely not worth my time, and I don't want to be involved in anything he does. This isn't the first time he's behaved like this. He keeps bringing up unrelated topics and starts yapping nonsense that has nothing to do with the thread. I was ignoring him but notification is getting pinged.

Tensura - Some more Speed stuff

Brother moving in timeless zone doesn't give you any speed. Each one of you just showing you people don't know how speed tier works here. Like Felway said above it's from Cpap? Like I said I just said what I understand from the scan above as for Cpap? I haven’t touched that shiii since 2 years...

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[FinePoint]

Well, I've had enough of this guy, @Ciel_Trinity439. I would like to request a block option so that I don't have to see his messages.

Well, in my opinion their message is a rule violation. It's extremely condescending and reminds me of a stereotypical schoolyard bully.
Rather than have you two block each-other and potentially create confusion in a thread, I'd prefer to give them a warning or at least have them apologize and stop talking like that.

@Ciel_Trinity439

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Well, I've had enough of this guy, @Ciel_Trinity439. I would like to request a block option so that I don't have to see his messages. He's definitely not worth my time, and I don't want to be involved in anything he does. This isn't the first time he's behaved like this. He keeps bringing up unrelated topics and starts yapping nonsense that has nothing to do with the thread. I was ignoring him but notification is getting pinged.

Tensura - Some more Speed stuff

Brother moving in timeless zone doesn't give you any speed. Each one of you just showing you people don't know how speed tier works here. Like Felway said above it's from Cpap? Like I said I just said what I understand from the scan above as for Cpap? I haven’t touched that shiii since 2 years...

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I was simply finding the way you behaved in that thread worthy of that remark. Denying a Translation Staff's explanation and even not properly researching when you were given the time of days (I'm referring to what you did with Soul Corridors). I also don't like how you called our scalings headcanon many times in the past while Astral was banned, or when you clamed that he lied or deceived others, simply because he wasn't there to defend it.

I know my message was not nice either, but I don't think I can get along with you. I don't mind blocking you either. I hate that kind of behavior and then trying to act like you're the victim.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Well, in my opinion their message is a rule violation. It's extremely condescending and reminds me of a stereotypical schoolyard bully.
Rather than have you two block each-other and potentially create confusion in a thread, I'd prefer to give them a warning or at least have them apologize and stop talking like that.

@Ciel_Trinity439

Well, this is not the first time Tensura supporters have acted like this toward someone who disagrees with them. We had Tempest, or whatever his name was, who was constantly mocking @Dereck03 despite being given warnings, and Joasmith as well. I guess there have been some serious issues with these fans. If they can't argue, they should stop trying to target others.

 

[Nonynho]

Well, this is not the first time Tensura supporters have acted like this toward someone who disagrees with them. We had Tempest, or whatever his name was, who was constantly mocking @Dereck03 despite being given warnings, and Joasmith as well. I guess there have been some serious issues with these fans. If they can't argue, they should stop trying to target others.

refrain from trying to accuse verse supporters of something when you have something against one individual and can't even recall the name of the other, it does not collaborate with your point
And let's also refrain from commenting until further staff steps up to speak about the matter at hand

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

refrain from trying to accuse verse supporters of something when you have something against one individual and can't even recall the name of the other, it does not collaborate with your point
And let's also refrain from commenting until further staff steps up to speak about the matter at hand

Except Berga accused Ant in the same thread. Then you have someone else targeting me for defending Ant.

Yeah, obviously not all supporters are at fault, but most of them seem to think it's okay to just mock others.

Also, if anyone opens the Tensura discussion thread, they can see how the same supporters trash-talk people who disagree with them. Obviously, I'm not saying everyone, but definitely most of them.

Anyway that's not even my point. My point is some people won't change by warnings alone.

 

[FinePoint]

I'm reading further now, it seems like the rudeness is not just in one direction.
Eld has said the following, for example:

Each one of you just showing you people don't know how speed tier works here.

I think we should be careful with applying blocks like this, because people talking past each other in a thread can be confusing, and we don't want to blindly silence debate either. A community like this can only operate if diverse voices are permitted to speak freely and be heard. That said, we have done it before if it feels like there's not better options.

I'd like to hear some suggestions from other staff members at this point.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm reading further now, it seems like the rudeness is not just in one direction.
Eld has said the following, for example:

I think we should be careful with applying blocks like this, because people talking past each other in a thread can be confusing, and we don't want to blindly silence debate either. A community like this can only operate if diverse voices are permitted to speak freely and be heard. That said, we have done it before if it feels like there's not better options.

I'd like to hear some suggestions from other staff members at this point.

Sorry, how is that rude? He brought up CSAP's tiering system to argue against the wiki's tiering system. My whole point was that you people don't understand how the wiki's speed system works.

I did say "here." I wasn't calling them dumb or anything. I was saying they don't understand how our wiki's speed system differs from others, and that's all I meant.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Well, in my opinion their message is a rule violation. It's extremely condescending and reminds me of a stereotypical schoolyard bully.
Rather than have you two block each-other and potentially create confusion in a thread, I'd prefer to give them a warning or at least have them apologize and stop talking like that.

@Ciel_Trinity439

I don't mean to come across as condescending, but honestly, I will not apologize to him no matter what happens.

If someone insults people who are close to me or continues to treat them badly, including repeatedly trying to damage their reputation, it's very difficult for me to overlook that. That's simply my position.

His behavior toward Tensura supporters and Astral while Astral was banned has also continued to bother me, so I don't see any reason why I should apologize to him.

Thank you.

 

[Nonynho]

I know y'all are frustrated and think are in the right, but we have to lower the amount of posts as much as possible for this to be solved as quickly as possible.

Mods will have a harder time assessing what's happening if you keep going, please don't so we reach a conclusion.

 

[Soulking22334]

@AlternativePrinciple Our friend lost his temper here and started insulting me

Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Soulking you are just making a mess of yourself here. Just let it go

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[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@AlternativePrinciple Our friend lost his temper here and started insulting me

Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Soulking you are just making a mess of yourself here. Just let it go

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[LephyrTheRevanchist]

?? I didn't understand

Left instructions for them to behave better.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Left instructions for them to behave better.

Hey Lephy, could you please take a look at this case. Two replies from that guy above. It's pretty clear that he's not ready to change his behavior. So I think it's better to block his messages for me.

Well, I've had enough of this guy, @Ciel_Trinity439. I would like to request a block option so that I don't have to see his messages. He's definitely not worth my time, and I don't want to be involved in anything he does. This isn't the first time he's behaved like this. He keeps bringing up unrelated topics and starts yapping nonsense that has nothing to do with the thread. I was ignoring him but notification is getting pinged.

Tensura - Some more Speed stuff

Brother moving in timeless zone doesn't give you any speed. Each one of you just showing you people don't know how speed tier works here. Like Felway said above it's from Cpap? Like I said I just said what I understand from the scan above as for Cpap? I haven’t touched that shiii since 2 years...

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[Antvasima]

I can make Eldemade and Ciel not be able to see each other's posts if that is the least bad solution here.

 

[Nonynho]

I can make Eldemade and Ciel not be able to see each other's posts if that is the least bad solution here.

From Eldemade's initial post it doesn't seem like the worst idea, but @Ciel_Trinity439 haven't said if that's what she'd like
may i ask you to ping her to ask if she would be ok with it?

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

I can make Eldemade and Ciel not be able to see each other's posts if that is the least bad solution here.

I'd also like to ask that he be warned against continuing to describe Tensura's scaling as nothing more than personal assumptions, misleading, or simply "headcanons," when he has never been able to prove that this is actually the case. If someone makes such accusations, they should be able to support them with evidence and prove them. However, despite repeatedly making these claims, he has consistently failed to prove them and always ends up losing.

He keeps repeating the same accusations, yet he never provides any evidence proving that Tensura's scaling is based on personal assumptions or headcanons.

That is the main reason why I became frustrated/upset, and it is also why many other Tensura supporters became frustrated/upset as well, including some of the people Elde mentioned above. Despite that, he portrays the situation as if the fault lies entirely with them and makes himself the victim here.

I also want to point out a specific incident. At one point, Elde relied on his own personal interpretation of a statement. When I asked a translator to clarify the original Japanese text, the translator explicitly rejected Elde's interpretation. Despite that, Elde continued to rely on the same interpretation and even included it in the summary that he gave to the Staff, and assumes that his own interpretation is correct whenever the Staff asks him for "proof" of his claims. I find this contradictory: he criticizes others for relying on "headcanons," personal interpretations, or even possible mistranslations, yet continues to use his own personal interpretation after it was rejected by our Staff.

If this happens again, I will simply report it.

I would also like @Tatsumi504 to be warned for the exact same reasons, including repeatedly denying things that were literally established in the previous thread, and when he is simply asked to make another thread to discuss them, he ignores that and continues this behavior.

thx you

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

refrain from trying to accuse verse supporters of something when you have something against one individual and can't even recall the name of the other, it does not collaborate with your point
And let's also refrain from commenting until further staff steps up to speak about the matter at hand

This isn’t necessarily my business but he’s right. @Dereck03 was attacked unprovoked during the time of my report by a Tensura supporter which is why he’s currently banned. You can find it here or alternatively from below;

Undeleting this so everyone can see, what should we do here?

You should see Tempest’s comment. This is all I had to add not like it’s significant but yeah.

 

[Nonynho]

not like it’s significant but yeah.

It's basically the whole point of this thread to not comment if what you have to say makes you think like that
Clogging makes the whole work of the staff slower, so let's avoid furthering this which not only is not report worthy, but is also not exactly what they are talking about right now

 

[FinePoint]

Snip.

Could you link to the posts you think are violations?

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Could you link to the posts you think are violations?

I'm going to sleep now. I will send a list of such posts tomorrow. Therefore, please do not conclude this before that.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I can make Eldemade and Ciel not be able to see each other's posts if that is the least bad solution here.

I really don't want to deal with someone who's just looking for attention. I've been trying to ignore him this whole time instead of engaging, but he keeps trying to trash-talk me anyway.

At this point, I'm not interested in arguing with him. So obviously just make we don't see each other posts.

Could you link to the posts you think are violations?

I don't see how saying, "I don't agree with your interpretation," is a rule violation.
You can check the translation-related discussion here.

Tensura - Some more Speed stuff

I do not agree with the Immeasurable Speed rating, and what EldemadeDityjon said is correct as well. The previous thread was approved quickly, as usual, just like many other threads, without any actual discussion. That explains everything now. What I mentioned, along with what EldemadeDityjon...

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If simply disagreeing with someone else's interpretation is considered a rule violation, then no one would be able to have a debate in the first place.

Heck, even Raiku said the kanji can be translated that way, and the dictionary supports that meaning as well but he didn't agree with the interpretation. At the end of the day, it's a matter of interpretation. It's up to the staff to evaluate the arguments, vote, and decide which interpretation makes the most sense. Neither Ceil nor anyone else has the authority to insist that their own interpretation must be treated as the only correct or literal one.

What I find ironic is that he's accusing me of forcing my interpretation while doing exactly that himself by insisting everyone accept his view without question. If that's the standard, then are we just supposed to accept whatever he says without being allowed to challenge it? That isn't how a fair or productive discussion works.

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't see saying your X scaling is headcanon, A interpretation is fanfiction, are considered rule violation and report worthy. Unless they doing that with malicious purposes and derail the thread

 

[Lycoris4812]

I don't see saying your X scaling is headcanon, A interpretation is fanfiction, are considered rule violation and report worthy. Unless they doing that with malicious purposes and derail the thread

Being kind is a rule. The phrasing of these comments are unnecessary.

 

[Vietthai96]

Being kind is a rule. The phrasing of these comments are unnecessary.

Making unnecessary and derailing comment =/= not being kind. Comment could come off as frustration or aggressive depending on the situation, but at best we just tell people to cool off their mind. If they are repeated then we detele post and give proper judgement. But the text itself is a neutral thing, it is neither kind nor not kind, you can't tell people being kind or not kind to you based on some non-emotional texts.

But well if you have concrete proof of him being intentionally not kind to you or anyone else then free to post them. We will judge the case accordingly

 

[Vietthai96]

Wait i think we went off into a completely different discussion altogether, about the case, my opinion is that both Ciel and Elde should just cool off and try not to talk to each others next time. But if it is too hard then block them from seeing each other posts is also a way. Elde already want to block messege method, idk about @Ciel_Trinity439

 

[Lycoris4812]

Making unnecessary and derailing comment =/= not being kind. Comment could come off as frustration or aggressive depending on the situation, but at best we just tell people to cool off their mind. If they are repeated then we detele post and give proper judgement. But the text itself is a neutral thing, it is neither kind nor not kind, you can't tell people being kind or not kind to you based on some non-emotional texts.

But well if you have concrete proof of him being intentionally not kind to you or anyone else then free to post them. We will judge the case accordingly

I think the difference between "I disagree with this" and "this is headcanon, fanfiction, wank, etc" is clear. Anyways, I will stop commenting.

 

[FinePoint]

If calling things headcanon is the worst they do I honestly couldn't care less.
The 'Be Kind' as I wrote it simply refers to not being toxic, mean, or abusive.
It is not a demand that every comment be worded in the most polite way humanly possible.

If there's something worse than that I once again ask that it be linked.

Otherwise, since neither side wants to admit any fault, it's not really severe enough to be a proper violation, but it's clearly a big deal to you guys, I suppose a mutual block is not an unreasonable choice.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

If calling things headcanon is the worst they do I honestly couldn't care less.
The 'Be Kind' as I wrote it simply refers to not being toxic, mean, or abusive.
It is not a demand that every comment be worded in the most polite way humanly possible.

If there's something worse than that I once again ask that it be linked.

Otherwise, since neither side wants to admit any fault, it's not really severe enough to be a proper violation, but it's clearly a big deal to you guys, I suppose a mutual block is not an unreasonable choice.

I have participated in many Tensura threads, so I hope he provides examples from those discussions and previous ones if he's going to claim I've been doing this continuously. He's saying this has been an ongoing pattern and that he became frustrated because of my behavior. If he can't provide evidence, then it just looks like he's playing the victim over something that either happened long ago or that I don't even remember.

I may or may not have called some arguments "headcanon" at some point, but his recent claims are much more serious. He's accusing me of constantly mocking people, repeatedly dismissing their arguments as headcanon, demanding that everyone accept only my interpretation, and even refusing to accept the staff's verdict. Those are serious accusations.

I hope he provides clear evidence of these recent incidents that supposedly made him uncomfortable. More importantly, I hope he points to actual report-worthy behavior rather than simply disagreeing with my interpretations and becoming frustrated because of that.

 

[Antvasima]

So should I go ahead with making both of them unable to see each other's posts?

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

If calling things headcanon is the worst they do I honestly couldn't care less.
The 'Be Kind' as I wrote it simply refers to not being toxic, mean, or abusive.
It is not a demand that every comment be worded in the most polite way humanly possible.

If there's something worse than that I once again ask that it be linked.

Otherwise, since neither side wants to admit any fault, it's not really severe enough to be a proper violation, but it's clearly a big deal to you guys, I suppose a mutual block is not an unreasonable choice.

Huh?
If you say that you do not care in the first place, then why ask me to look for these examples? I would spend a long time searching through a huge number of threads and comments, only for the final response to be, "I don't care." Isn't that just wasting my time?
Therefore, with all due respect, I ask that you phrase your words more clearly from the beginning so that I am not asked to do something that has no importance to you.

So should I go ahead with making both of them unable to see each other's posts?

Yes

 

[Antvasima]

I have handled it now.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Member being reported:
https://vsbattles.com/members/windyattack.63903/

Report concerns the following site rules:
1) Be Kind
This is supposed to be a nice community where all of our members try to be considerate and respectful to each other, to collaborate, have fun together, and be free to pay positive attention to themselves in a safe environment. Do not be toxic, mean, or abusive to other members.

2)Be Respectful
● You can leave comments in our forums if you want to point out information that seems inaccurate, but do not become obnoxious, unreasonable, or overly argumentative, and do not engage in any other, previously mentioned, disallowed behaviors.
● however, our rules make it clear that disagreements should be done respectfully and politely

(Note: Imgur is not available in my country which is why I am using postimg)
Context of report:
CRT thread where interaction occured(I would highly suggest for admins to read through the thread and the full conversation to verify that the images I am posting have not be taken out of context, the context of this conversation is a CRT on a verse called lookism where I agreed with some of the CRT propostions and disagreed on others, after having read the full thread and having a back and fourth I made it clear that I was not up to debating and that it would be better to agree to disagree and to just tally me up, so the thread doesn't get clutter and so mods have an easier time evaluating the thread since their take is the one that actually matters, not mine):

Kishin Seiken (Demonic Sword) Multiplier

The only statement that regular CQC had was "Greatly increased", not really enough justification for a multiplier in of itself as similar statements have been rejected (kinda needs a "Several times" or "many times" attached to it. "Times" is usually the main focus). 100x is disagreed on due to...

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Full conversation between user and me:
https://postimg.cc/McwfcV2p (link 1)

https://postimg.cc/gallery/c35tpBD (link 2)

https://postimg.cc/gallery/F9v4tkS (link 3)

https://postimg.cc/gallery/RNLDhVz (link 4)

My Gallery — Postimages

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(link 5)

https://postimg.cc/gallery/CMYbyN7 (link 6)


Example of similar behavior towards other users in other threads:
https://postimg.cc/jnwTX30z (link 7)


Explanation:
1)user is overly argumentative and aggresive
2)user has a history of being quick to assume and accuse site members who hold different views and opinions from them/disagree with them, of the following:
-arguing in bad faith(see link 2 image 1)
-being stubborn(see link 2 image 1)
-inability to understand proper logic(see link 2 image 1)
-encouraging ignoring other users during an active CRT (see link 2 image 2)
-deliberately trying to downgrade a verse they are interested in (see link 7)
-accusing others of playing the victim after they have made it explicitly clear across multiple messages that user behavior makes them feel uncomfortable, that they have no interest in debating them and simply wish to agree to disagree and that they are not trying to argue in bad faith (see link 6 image 1)
-accusing others of getting upset after repeatedly making unsubstantiated accusations against them (see link 6 image 2)
-repeatedly doubling down on behavior after discomfort has been made abundantly clear and attempts have been made to either set boundaries or explain to user how their behavior is disruptive and possibly violating site rules and ethics
3)possible veiled threat(see link 6 image 2):
"And finally I don't appreciate people who play the victim. So please don't engage with me any further, because I can't promise to remain civil. I don't want to be rude but that's simply the reality."

Additional notes: Apologizes if none of this is considered rule violating behavior, I am making this report because interacting with this user has genuinely made me feel uncomfortable and impacted my experience on the vswikiforum and I believe I have done my best to express my discomfort and attempt to descalate and establish boundaries with the user to not avail, I only make this report as a last resort after already having clarified to the user being reported that I WILL report them if their behavior continues, causing them to double down on it in response.

Please feel free to ping or message me in case additional information/context is required or if the links don't work

 

[Tatsumi504]

I would also like @Tatsumi504 to be warned for the exact same reasons, including repeatedly denying things that were literally established in the previous thread, and when he is simply asked to make another thread to discuss them, he ignores that and continues this behavior.

First of all, keep my name out of that uncouth mouth yours. I largely avoided both yours and astral's provocative comments on that thread because I cannot be bothered to engage in ridiculous banter with those who legitimately behave like children when others are engaging in a serious discussion.

Second, astral got banned previously for various reasons, including but not limited to nitpicking specific words in translations to favor his argument. On a separate note, it's already a known fact that some members of the Tensura fandom on this forum have a habit of cropping scans to suit their purpose, something which happened again in this case as well. Now out of these two things, the only "accusation" I made was about the cropping of scans once again by the community which is an established fact and not an accusation.

Thirdly, like I repeated in the thread, I had neither the time nor patience to deal with your hidden CRT's and none of my contentions had anything to do with the previous thread hence, creating a separate thread to address them wasn't required.

With that said, I have no other issues here. I'm neither interested in pursuing what was or wasn't said that might or might not be perceived as hurtful. I have neither the mind nor empathy to actually care. That would be all