Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Mr. Bambu]

I do agree the most with what Bambu and FinePoint have said, but it shouldn't be ignored of a common pattern that has been going on as of late. There has been a lot of growing concern that of there being patterns/groups of mostly community members with even a few staff members joining in. I cannot officially confirm or deny if the so called conspiracy theories are true, but there is definitely some kind of noticeable pattern that should be worth looking into. But the there are suspicions going on that their is some kind of Dragon Ball spite campaign going on. Putting a 5-C character against a 2-C character should be seen as a stomp in hindsight, but the former being a "Advanced Telekinesis specialist with crazy LS" and the latter being a "2-C character with shit tier LS." One hand, it may look fine to even the odds, but it's been informingly agreed that simply having dominant LS has a one limit that it's not assumed they can kill the stronger character or bypass durability via sheer LS. Which the voters of the former either seems to have forgotten that or are hiding a blind eye to focus on the spite. But I suppose the former is the safer interpretation. Likewise, I have seen people "Celebrate" when Dragon Ball LS strength downgrades were being inserted.

While I agree that none of this excuses GodlyCharmander's behaivor, I am going to overall remain neutral. But before anyone does it, I do not think it should be ignored on the opposite end of the spectrum. Lots of users openly are in the mentality that they never agreed with Charmander's ban being lifted, which it is fine if they have such an opinion. But there are users who openly acknowledge that GodlyCharmander and possibly other "Dragon Ball fans" are on thin ice. But it's for those reasons some people secretly hope some of them react horribly to certain arguments or take actions hard in hopes that those reactions would lead to their ban. Again, I'm not saying that there is hard evidence of the rage baiting conspiracies, but there is definitely a common pattern and potential signs of it, to the point where we shouldn't just be giving harsh one-sided punishments to GodlyCharmander or any other Dragon Ball supporters just from what was going on. And we at the very least need to consider the possibility of what goes on behind closed doors.

I don't know if this is true (this is not me suggesting it isn't, in some sideways manner, I just genuinely do not know-- I don't interface with Dragon Ball, as you are probably well aware). What I do know is that Charmander's small issues extend beyond Dragon Ball, and so if this is true, then it is not fundamentally entwined with his situation. I do think that there is something to be said for the innate bloodthirstiness of man (here is where I could push up my glasses, if I wore them) that when we make X or Y decision to allow leniency for a disliked user, there is definitely an air of "we need to kill this individual stat" that seems to arise. I am not referring to azontr or Boastjr or anything, but it is certainly a trend for users to become a sort of pariah and report magnet, who will be reported repeatedly over insanely petty things, gradually booting them from the community either via a ban or frustration.

Despite my wishes, I do not think Charmander has received a fair shot; I think that there are people who do not like him and would like to see him gone and so will watch for anything that will help to make that so. It is like when an employee upsets a boss, and so they conjure any offense and see them dismissed: late by five minutes, called off sick, made a petty error, too bad, hit the bricks. And this is not something solely related to Charmander. I have seen this sort of spiral before.

So I believe that, but the problem is we cannot really or appropriately deal with that better than we're dealing with it now, I think. We try to be fair. We say "we will not ban someone for calling someone else an asshole just because they're on thin ice, clearly the tensions were very high already, they didn't start it and were goaded into it". My arm grows weak from extending the benefit of the doubt. I think it is basically a good policy, but there is no more to extend, in the grand scheme of things. There has to be a balance.

In this case, I think the primary agitator was Charmander himself, and though it is a really petty issue (small insults being slung around), Charmander should know that this is, really, bad behavior. If the match is illegitimate, then there are several formal avenues to pursue. We have a thread removal thread, where staff can look over it. We extend the ability for rematches after some time, to relitigate the matchup. If Dragon Ball has some conspiracy going on, all we need is a baseline of proof, and the staff can at least look into it. If rules are violated or something is itself deeply suspicious, we can do the same. There are formal avenues beyond the behavior displayed. I think that is the important part to consider.

 

[Mommyleona]

Just want to clarify on this specific part, as it seems to mention everyone who voted for Tatsumaki

it's been informingly agreed that simply having dominant LS has a one limit that it's not assumed they can kill the stronger character or bypass durability via sheer LS. Which the voters of the former either seems to have forgotten that or are hiding a blind eye to focus on the spite

It has been agreed that LS can allow to restrain, choke or in this case be used to BFR the superior opponent (which is the main wincon being argued), nobody said that Tatsumaki can directly damage Broly in any way or had voted because of that

 

[Alemao7]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/user-alemao7-sandbox.192414/

Could you delete my post please.

 

[Antvasima]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/user-alemao7-sandbox.192414/

Could you delete my post please.

It is hidden even from my view.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

It's in their sandbox. So there's no need to do anything.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. That is what I meant.

 

[Re5yh]

Hello there, I'm reporting on this user who pretty much insulted me by called me the worst person ever and he even vandalized my own profile as you can see here. But This guy did not just vandalized my profile, he also vandalized other users too
His behavior is also off the limits like these thing he did:

1. calling ApexPredetor an unemployed
2. Calling someone a Mother****er
3. Calling other names like this
4. And most of all, insulting Antvasima

 

[Random-Helper323]

Hello there, I'm reporting on this user who pretty much insulted me by called me the worst person ever and he even vandalized my own profile as you can see here. But This guy did not just vandalized my profile, he also vandalized other users too
His behavior is also off the limits like these thing he did:

1. calling ApexPredetor an unemployed
2. Calling someone a Mother****er
3. Calling other names like this
4. And most of all, insulting Antvasima

Insulted Planck, Spaceman and Butler too.

This seems like a ban is basically unavoidable, for so many reasons.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

gone, sent outside to build character. if someone could please undo the various bits of vandalism the troll did, I would be appreciative, as I am off to sleep as we speak.

 

[Re5yh]

gone, sent outside to build character. if someone could please undo the various bits of vandalism the troll did, I would be appreciative, as I am off to sleep as we speak.

I pretty much have undo all his edits on the accounts he vandalized

 

[Random-Helper323]

I pretty much have undo all his edits on the accounts he vandalized

Yeah, I just removed their insulting profile message too.

 

[Antvasima]

I removed all of their remaining profile messages. In one of them they used a slur aimed at non-jews, so they might be a pissed off zionist.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I removed all of their remaining profile messages. In one of them they used a slur aimed at non-jews, so they might be a pissed off zionist.

Regardless, the issue is fixed. Good work, everyone who helped out.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Hello there, I'm reporting on this user who pretty much insulted me by called me the worst person ever and he even vandalized my own profile as you can see here. But This guy did not just vandalized my profile, he also vandalized other users too
His behavior is also off the limits like these thing he did:

1. calling ApexPredetor an unemployed
2. Calling someone a Mother****er
3. Calling other names like this
4. And most of all, insulting Antvasima

The fact that their very first edit was vandalizing Apex's user page makes me think that account might be the sockpuppet of someone from this wiki or someone who was banned. Looking at the situation, they did it right when people were celebrating Apex's 100,000 edits.
The user also appears to be familiar with how CRTs work, since they mentioned them directly, and they clearly know staff members such as Planck and ActuallySpaceman, as they brought them up by name. For a supposedly new account, that seems a bit unusual. They also said something about their account not being registered in his message to Ant if I remember right
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/StainlessViper790
Is there any way to check whether this user shares an IP address with another account on the wiki?

 

[Antvasima]

I checked and there is no forum account with the StainlessViper790 username, so unfortunately I am not able to do so.

 

[Random-Helper323]

The fact that their very first edit was vandalizing Apex's user page makes me think that account might be the sockpuppet of someone from this wiki or someone who was banned. Looking at the situation, they did it right when people were celebrating Apex's 100,000 edits.
The user also appears to be familiar with how CRTs work, since they mentioned them directly, and they clearly know staff members such as Planck and ActuallySpaceman, as they brought them up by name. For a supposedly new account, that seems a bit unusual. They also said something about their account not being registered in his message to Ant if I remember right
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/StainlessViper790
Is there any way to check whether this user shares an IP address with another account on the wiki?

You're not wrong. That is weird for a new user.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

I checked and there is no forum account with the StainlessViper790 username, so unfortunately I am not able to do so.

I heard Fandom can detect IP overlaps, but only admins can request them, if I recall correctly.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will ask a Fandom member for help.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will ask a Fandom member for help.

I have done so now.

 

[Antvasima]

I received a reply.

"Thank you for contacting Fandom Support.

After some checks, we don't find any evidence that StainlessViper790 is related to any users from vsbattles.fandom.com, but we have blocked them for ban evasion on another wiki.

We hope this helps.
Fandom Support"

 

[Maniaunavailable]

can someone tell bro to chill down lmao

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[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

I received a reply.

"Thank you for contacting Fandom Support.

After some checks, we don't find any evidence that StainlessViper790 is related to any users from vsbattles.fandom.com, but we have blocked them for ban evasion on another wiki.

We hope this helps.
Fandom Support"

Thank you very much for reaching out to Fandom.

To be fair, there are many tools nowadays that can be used to evade alternate account detection, but something about that account doesn't seem quite right. It's also worth considering users who may have had previous issues with Planck and ActuallySpaceman.

 

[FinePoint]

can someone tell bro to chill down lmao

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Takayuki Nakayama's heavy implication that Ingrid's dimension bending abilities being the reason why Tifa Lockhart is in Street Fighter 6 open up A LOT of tiering possibilities...

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I told them.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I told them.

thx

 

[Huesito88]

Weird random dating thread?

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Weird random dating thread?

It's deleted.

 

[Huesito88]

It's deleted.

Did the user get hacked? (Not going to post after this comment)

 

[Antvasima]

Weird random dating thread?

Given their long inactivity, their account has likely been hacked to fish for people clicking on virus lnks.

I think that a permanent ban seems safest to apply on their account.

 

[Antvasima]

Did the user get hacked? (Not going to post after this comment)

Going by a comparative locations IP check, likely yes. I will apply a permanent ban then.

 

[TauanVictor]

Spite match

 

[Gp972]

Spite match

This is the 3rd or 4th time they've done the same thing to Reinhard.

 

[Bobsican]

This is the 3rd or 4th time they've done the same thing to Reinhard.

I presume you're speaking in general user-wise? The closest I've done prior to this as far Re:Zero matches go was this.

Spite match

As quickly explained in the thread, Reinhard has a legitimate win condition, and it's not like this sort of matchups are without precedent, stat gaps don't inherently make something a stomp, in fact the opposite has happened (Reinhard stomping a Low 1-A).

 

[BoastJr]

Current Vsbw does not treat beings with Higher Tier as being all so invincible without any prior proof such as in the form of HDE etc

Even Madness Manip Type 3 or other Infohazards are capable of working on higher dimensional beings (Altair versus Miyama Kaito or Klein versus Ruphas being examples)

While Some of these characters do not posess HDE... reinhard is genuinely one of the few characters who can fight far stronger beings with decent Hax so this isn't a surprise

I even made Tatsumaki versus Broly because of Telekinesis + LS serving as a wincondition for Tats who would lose otherwise to the slightest touch despite this being a Tier 5 versus a Tier 2 which seems ridiculous on paper and yet there was genuine discussion to it

I believe all of these are fair as long as there is some discussion value despite it seeming ridiculous to put a tier 1 character against a tier 6

 

[TauanVictor]

As quickly explained in the thread, Reinhard has a legitimate win condition, and it's not like this sort of matchups are without precedent, stat gaps don't inherently make something a stomp, in fact the opposite has happened (Reinhard stomping a Low 1-A).

Not because Reinhard needs to affect AE1 + Immo 9 + Alien X Consciousness, which he can't do.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Reinhard Vs Alien X

This popped up off-site, so may as well Speed equalized Alien X Reinhard

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This thread has two rules violation:

• First, the Re:Zero support regarding win conditions was not correct. As you can see here, they claim that Reinhard starts with CM Type 2, but later it was stated that Reinhard does not even start with it (as stated by one of the Knowledgeable Members), so i support the idea of checking all of Reinhard's matches because so many of them was based on "CM Type 2" argument
• Second, many people claimed that Immortality Type 9 was removed because of this "thread", but as you can see in the thread, nothing was said about the removal of Immortality Type 9.

Also, idk if this worth to say or not, but it states that Reinhard cannot do anything against characters who use thought-based abilities as their win condition in battles, and Alien X's powers are literally thought-based, as it is explicitly stated in his profile.

So I’m not sure whether this should be placed in Rule Violation Reports or Versus Thread Removal, because the Re:Zero support was incorrect even regarding win conditions.

 

[Antvasima]

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[SatellaTheWoE]

Reinhard Vs Alien X

This popped up off-site, so may as well Speed equalized Alien X Reinhard

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This thread has two rules violation:

• First, the Re:Zero support regarding win conditions was not correct. As you can see here, they claim that Reinhard starts with CM Type 2, but later it was stated that Reinhard does not even start with it (as stated by one of the Knowledgeable Members), so i support the idea of checking all of Reinhard's matches because so many of them was based on "CM Type 2" argument

Phoenks is referring to the fact that Reinhard's cm type 2 isnt conceptual destruction but rather accepted to be altering the concepts on a type 2 scale.

• Law Manipulation / Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2; The true power of the Dragon Sword Reid can alter the core principles of the world itself)

The EE slash that they are talking about happens with The Dragon Sword Reid, which is where his cm type 2 is listed. So, what they seem to have concluded is that the Existence Erasure is happening on a concept type 2 scale. There is also law hax with it, so there is that too.

• Existence Erasure (He completely erased all traces of Puck from the world, to the degree that there was no hint that a battle had even taken place. Comparable to Reid Astrea)

For the sake of brevity, I will keep this point concise. Regarding Reinhard's standard tactics, Re:Zero features a form of supernatural intuition; something I personally refer to as "Godly Intuition," though that is not its official name. In essence, it allows Reinhard, as well as certain other characters, to consistently choose the "correct" option.

Reinhard's intelligence is said to be normal, but his intuition is said to be incredible, so that even while taking a test he’ll get full marks from answering normally, even if it’s not multiple choice. In strategic games like chess he is still the strongest, not because he is smart, but because he knows where to put his piece. Even in contests of luck, he will win because he knows the right answer.

Reinhard's abilities surpass those of the young Cecilus Segmunt, who by watching Al fight just a single time, was able to correctly guess that he possessed an Authority and what that Authority does through sheer intuition, and his intuition also correctly informed him that killing too many zombies would be a bad idea despite being unaware of their connection to the Stone.

He was also able to weave through invisible sniper-fire by sheer guesswork, and is said to possess the talent to reach Reid Astrea's level of skill. He not only located and killed the mastermind the Great Disaster before anyone knew what was even happening, he also then recognized that same enemy at a glance despite their appearance and soul changing, with him even noticing that their soul had changed.

they can also grasp their opponents' weakness through this.

Theresia's ability to intuitively grasp her opponents most vulnerable point, and see floating white rays of battle which she need only trace with a blade to unquestionably kill her opponent

It also allows them to perform illogical feats, like dodging rain drops in a rainstorm, sand in a sandstorm, rain of light, mists of light etc.

He can weave through a barrage of water droplets and grains of dirt, with each projectile being deadly, even in extreme close-quarters, as well as run through a rainstorm while avoiding every raindrop. Transcendents like himself can avoid disguised deadly rain by instinctive intuition, and he is said to be able to evade an undodgeable rain or mist of light.

Or accurately targeting your enemy's vitals while all of your senses have been cut off

Despite Elsa having her senses cut off by Shamak Elsa managed to accurately aim at her target's vitals and avoid an attack that blew away the entire room she was in, by following her intuition

This, along with his Divine protection of Initative means Reinhard more often than not will be able to land his wincon before the other side can, resulting in his win.

• Divine Protection of Initiative: His first attack on an opponent always lands, and he can never fall victim to surprise attacks.

Consequently, he would not be restricted to relying solely on his EE slash. Instead, he would utilize whatever win condition is most effective under the circumstances, as his intuition would guide him toward the optimal course of action, the "correct choice" for achieving victory, so to speak.

• Second, many people claimed that Immortality Type 9 was removed because of this "thread", but as you can see in the thread, nothing was said about the removal of Immortality Type 9.

Also, idk if this worth to say or not, but it states that Reinhard cannot do anything against characters who use thought-based abilities as their win condition in battles, and Alien X's powers are literally thought-based, as it is explicitly stated in his profile.

So I’m not sure whether this should be placed in Rule Violation Reports or Versus Thread Removal, because the Re:Zero support was incorrect even regarding win conditions.

This isn't true either, Reinhard has multiple different thought-based abilities plus a passive that you did need to deal with if he chooses to use them. Such as:

• Life Energy Absorption & Power Nullification (Because of his defective Gate, which cannot release mana in exchange for having strong absorption of mana, Reinhard acts as a beacon for mana, which blindly follows him, preventing magicians or Spirits from using it. Due to his Excess Mana Circulation Constitution, magic in his presence has its formation unraveled, neutralizing the excess mana. Mana is the force of life itself, and draining too much can kill a person)
  • Sleep Manipulation (Reinhard is able to render people in his vicinity unconscious by draining their mana)
  • Temperature Manipulation (By draining the mana around him, he also lowers the temperature of his surrounding

• Empathic Manipulation (Reinhard can obtain the Divine Protection of Empathy)

• Mind Manipulation & Soul Manipulation (He can re-obtain the Divine Protection of Mind-Changing, affecting the mind also affects the soul, as the mental has been equated to the spiritual He can obtain the Divine Protection of Coercion, which can imbue his words with a compulsory force upon others)

The premise of the report itself is flawed. Incorrect interpretation of a character's abilities is not inherently a rule violation. At most it would justify re-evaluating the match or requesting a rematch.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

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my last post here was yesterday

I don't really think the current discussion constitutes a rule violation? It's debating about the abilities of the characters. People don't break the rules for being wrong in a versus match.

 

[Qawsedf234]

don't really think the current discussion constitutes a rule violation? It's debating about the abilities of the characters. People don't break the rules for being wrong in a versus match.

Yeah this is just a rematch or win removal thing. There's no real rule being broken anywhere.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.