Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Mr. Bambu]

The only appropriate course of action and yet...

@Ruler_Star_Kuma:
One, two, three

@TMaakkonen:
One

@SnakesCity:
One

@BlackDarkness679:
One

So, specifically after AnAverageUserName's rant (because hell nah am I persecuting stuff from months ago), we have these. Surrounding context for many of these are blatantly Sean starting some form of trolling or mockery. However, I highlight these because they either get pretty personal (Ruler straight telling him he's broken), are very directly mean spirited (Snake calling him stupid for Sean joking), or are pretty over the top responses to pretty harmless banter (BlackDarkness telling him to shut the **** up and he's just seeking attention)

Even if we end up deciding that all of these have the mitigating circumstance of Sean being a genuine nuisance (and I decided to not even bring up a couple of other comments taking this into account) and/or are minor enough to not warrant warning, I want to very formally highlight that these should not be the response to someone like Sean. The appropriate response is to ignore him and build a case against him to bring up into the RVR. The fact we have now built a culture of ganging up or blowing up on someone (as even Weekly is subject to constant ridicule in this particular thread and stuff from before AnAverageUserName's have him and Sean as punching bags) for almost literally just existing in the same space as them, does not sit well with me. Regardless how annoying they are. It's basic human decency and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect this of our users.

I will let the rest of staff evaluate this and won't be voting myself for these
particular cases.

I think these can be safely classified as rule violations. However, as mentioned, this is at least somewhat mitigated by combative behavior instigating it. Only BlackDarkness has a warning (on the tracker), and this is a year old. I would weigh in favor of a formal warning for all the users here, rather than formal action.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I don't follow the Death Battle thread normally, but I do acknowledge it is common in general for lots of people to banter or buttheads with each other. I obviously agree none of these people should be responding the way he does as opposed to either ignoring him or make some cases in the RVR. And I do agree that Sean in general is every bit as toxic as Strym describes, he was the voice of reason when telling people to turn the other cheek instead of exploding. And after realizing the multiple reactions, I agree that there should be rule of thumbs on the people overreacting to Sean's instigating tactics. And some people might want to blame the Death Battle thread as a whole. We had far too much history on things like "Vs Battles slander" threads due to how overboard they go. Then they kind of migrated to "Unpopular Opinions and Friendly rants" but lots of users ignored the mandatory rule to keep those rants "Friendly." So lots of users who were part of the trending issues affiliated with the aforementioned threads have a habit if migrating some of the drama to other mainstream general discussions such as the Death Battle thread. Lots of the rants belong more so on private Discord servers than they do publicly on threads.

I obviously still agree with the final decision on the Sean situation. But none of that is an excuse to let some of those other users go unpunished or unwarned and what not.

 

[Random-Helper323]

The only appropriate course of action and yet...

@Ruler_Star_Kuma:
One, two, three

@TMaakkonen:
One

@SnakesCity:
One

@BlackDarkness679:
One

Yeah, this sort of thing is inappropriate. If the posts are very old then a sort of informal warning might suffice. From here on this stuff is not acceptable.

The fact we have now built a culture of ganging up or blowing up on someone (as even Weekly is subject to constant ridicule in this particular thread and stuff from before AnAverageUserName's have him and Sean as punching bags) for almost literally just existing in the same space as them, does not sit well with me. Regardless how annoying they are. It's basic human decency and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect this of our users.

I have observed very poor treatment of both of them, and several people including myself have stepped in to try to calm things down. It does seem a bit like trying to use a garden hose to put out a supernova though.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Assuming I got permission to talk/come forward to give my own defense (if not, then sorry, albeit reading this after typing, doesn't seem all that much like one) for this. Yeah, I can admit from a spectrum the first two can be seen as bad to say regarding the user (sean). Albeit.. personally I think the second much less so than the first. Though to speak on that first thing, I -did- feel compelled to say it, especially after looking at past disputes in that thread and seeing how.. reactions were given not only from sean himself but of course the other side. However warranted some comments were, I did not consider it, but the overall stance felt correct. So I decided to speak out what I thought was (pretty much) the culminative opinion, thought by me.

Although, the 3rd one even I felt after a bit was definitely over the top. After some time I -did- realize I spoke rashly there more than anything else without really considering my wording. So that one is absolutely fair.

With all of that said, I'm (usually) known for speaking out before really thinking (but still try and keep what I say relatively to what I WOULD wanna say, tame) in regards to people I feel to have a bit of a disdain or dislike towards (especially if I feel it's more justified than anything), but by no means is calling someone 'broken' over that a good thing. None of these can really be excuses at all, so I'll take what's decided.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yeah, this sort of thing is inappropriate. If the posts are very old then a sort of informal warning might suffice. From here on this stuff is not acceptable.

I chose to highlight comments after January 29-30 of this year, basically. But if you go back further than that, you can find many other comments like these or that try to bait either Weekly or Sean or express that they aren't welcome in the thread. It gets pretty harsh after a certain point. Still, I personally believe because of how long ago they were and the fact things did settle down briefly before picking back up, chose to not bring them up and use the case post-Average as a general informal warning + instructions to the rest of our users, indeed. (While highlighting the specific ones I believe crossed the line)

 

[Random-Helper323]

Assuming I got permission to talk/come forward to give my own defense (albeit reading this after typing, doesn't seem all that much like one) for this.

Given the situation it's looking like an informal warning and an assurance that this behaviour isn't acceptable moving forward. Still, obviously since you're involved you can speak.

Yeah, I can admit from a spectrum the first two can be seen as bad to say regarding the user (sean). Albeit.. personally I think the second much less so than the first. Though to speak on that first thing, I -did- feel compelled to say it, especially after looking at past disputes in that thread and seeing how.. reactions were given not only from sean himself but of course the other side. However warranted some comments were, I did not consider it, but the overall stance felt correct. So I decided to speak out what I thought was (pretty much) the culminative opinion, thought by me.

Most conflicts build up, so this makes sense. When this sort of thing happens I'd recommend trying to de-escalate. One way to do this is to engage only with arguments rather than attacking the person. This is hard if the person attacks you, but if it goes too far that's what the RVR thread is for.

Although, the 3rd one even I felt after a bit was definitely over the top. After some time I -did- realize I spoke rashly there more than anything else without really considering my wording. So that one is absolutely fair.

With all of that said, I'm (usually) known for speaking out before really thinking (but still try and keep what I say relatively to what I WOULD wanna say, tame) in regards to people I feel to have a bit of a disdain or dislike towards (especially if I feel it's more justified than anything), but by no means is calling someone 'broken' over that a good thing. None of these can really be excuses at all, so I'll take what's decided.

As Lephyr and now I said above, we're probably looking at informal warnings given how those comments are old and given how that thread has become so unruly. I'd recommend looking at my comment about de-escalating, and also consider not letting others escalate things with you. Easier said than done, I know, but it's good to at least try.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

None of that was anything I have seen before, in fact, he posted the exact same message on my wall. And it sounded like a whole lot of things he was questioning things that were too obvious. Or kept trying to direct a lot of blame away from himself instead of actually acknowledging that he has far too many issues both socially and psychologically. And he needs to let it go just because his favorite verse doesn't always win every debate. More over, his comments still require @StrymULTRA and @Omegabronic side of the story; but I'm quite positive they already both voiced their concerns and may not wish to constantly repeat themselves over and over.

I think simply informing that @AnAverageUsername comment was excessive or uncalled for was the only other thing that was worth taking further action for. But as said, the main reason he posted it was because he was obviously annoyed by the constant temper tantrums Sean regularly throws publicly in nearly every debate he is in.

Yeaaaah, I will admit that I tend to not hold back my words when I do feel annoyed. I think it helps get my message across better, even if its quite excessive.

Am I allowed to type here?

 

[Reiner04]

I am fine with informal warning with clear instructions that this behavior is unacceptable and must not continue in the future.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Yeaaaah, I will admit that I tend to not hold back my words when I do feel annoyed. I think it helps get my message across better, even if its quite excessive.

It's hard to do, we know that. We would like to ask you to try though.

Am I allowed to type here?

Yes, you are. As you're directly involved in the discussion you can of course respond.

Honestly though, it's likely you'll get an informal warning and an instruction to reign it in for future reference. The goal is to reduce toxicity in the DB discussion thread, not dish out punishments for old arguments.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I am fine with informal warning with clear instructions that this behavior is unacceptable and must not continue in the future.

Oh I know it was unacceptable, the instructions are clear enough already. Probably won't happen again since I don't think anyone else could tick me off to such a point again.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

It's hard to do, we know that. We would like to ask you to try though.

Yes, you are. As you're directly involved in the discussion you can of course respond.

Honestly though, it's likely you'll get an informal warning and an instruction to reign it in for future reference. The goal is to reduce toxicity in the DB discussion thread, not dish out punishments for old arguments.

That's fair in all regards

 

[SnakesCity]

@SnakesCity:
One

To speak on my own behalf, i was simply frustrated and partially in awe that getting people to donate to charity was being compared to scamming, i should've just ignored the intentionally outrageous comments and went on with my day, i acknowledge that.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Well, I do apologize since I brought up rude behavior as well. But I was one of the ones who reported Sean originally, 11 months ago last March. I did not want to constantly mention Sean here, felt bit too pushy if Id mention for every rude thing he'd say.

But like, I am a human. I am a Digimon fan. Sean's accusations kind of started to hurt. I know its not usual problem, Sean doesnt mess profiles or pass bad CRTs afaik, but his behavior riles up people, even if they are opinions. What am I supposed to do, legit keep mentioning for every detail? I mean ig I should have. Sean spent months talking bad about Digimon and other things and all he got was warnings after being banned for a year if I understood correctly. Why do you think people gets riled up from him? Hell, he has been here for arguing with Jinx as well. Sean has been given a massive benefit of doubt.

Heck, things are so bad we are assuming he might have mental health issues. That does complicate things. But I know what I see. I saw how he got a 1 month ban in December. I also saw that he immediately went back to normal when he came back in DB Threads.

So again, I apologize for not reporting him again and letting my emotions get the better of me. Keeping toxic people has a tendency to bring forth more toxicity. Its hard to keep cool when someone is allowed to mess discussion badly.

But if I saw correctly, Sean got a 1 year ban last week. I'll keep it in mind to report him immediately once he comes back one year from now and if he starts to spew fandom wars again. Message received.

 

[Antvasima]

I want to very formally highlight that these should not be the response to someone like Sean. The appropriate response is to ignore him and build a case against him to bring up into the RVR. The fact we have now built a culture of ganging up or blowing up on someone (as even Weekly is subject to constant ridicule in this particular thread and stuff from before AnAverageUserName's have him and Sean as punching bags) for almost literally just existing in the same space as them, does not sit well with me. Regardless how annoying they are. It's basic human decency and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect this of our users.

Extremely strongly agreed.

I think these can be safely classified as rule violations. However, as mentioned, this is at least somewhat mitigated by combative behavior instigating it. Only BlackDarkness has a warning (on the tracker), and this is a year old. I would weigh in favor of a formal warning for all the users here, rather than formal action.

That seems reasonable, yes.

 

[Jinx666]

How does Sean keep getting all this leniency and sympathy just because other people finally have enough of his behaviour?

People dont really stir him up, he constantly does go on these delusional saviour-complex rants about Pokemon as a verse, constantly ragging on anything that puts it in the slightest bit of scrutiny or criticism, when it comes to both Pokemon scaling and the franchise itself. Theres a stark difference between being passionate for a verse and just being obtusely obsessed. He goes red at the sight of any disagreement and will tend to always be first with the insults

I got no bearing on punishing others, i dont really care, but when people finally get sick of it and call him out, then yeah, the comments are rude but its not like they arent just blatantly reacting to Sean beating a dead horse over and over. Sean does the exact same thing for less, and all he seems to do is either get slaps on the wrist, or the discussion about any consequences for him get lost to time (until now).
Can also confirm he is awful off site. Numerous questionable scandals and things he says, hes notorious in the community as a whole for his rants under that video, and other things he would directly say (lewd, racist, transphobic etc.)

Guaranteed whenever he comes back, he's just gonna rant about how he needs to 'Make Pokemon Great Again' and find any reason to excuse and derail other threads. So the year break should definitely be appreciated (if thats really the best that can be done. It feels the longer hes kept around and entertained on this site, the more of a lolcow he becomes)

 

[Antvasima]

But like, I am a human. I am a Digimon fan. Sean's accusations kind of started to hurt.

Anyway, this is actually a valid point. I freely admit that there have been some instances when doing my work when I have become too stressed out, impatient, and annoyed as well, and it turned me too testy and rude as a result, which I am ashamed of... and I probably complain too much about what I perceive as highly amoral and destructive storytelling choices as well, mainly because I think that they help to indoctrinate parts of the audiences into embracing similar extremely toxic mindsets, although the latter helps me to let go of my built up tension and evaluations regarding the issues.

Regardless, we all, myself included, at least need to attempt to observe our own attitudes, behaviours, and flaws when it comes to how we treat each other, and attempt to learn from our mistakes and strive to behave better, so our community does not gradually turn increasingly toxic. It is bad enough with all of the political hatred being propagated due to different cultures, ethnicities, countries, genders, sexual preferences, viewpoints, etc. in the real world outside of our community, so we should at least do our best to treat other members here nicely and respectfully to as great degree as possible... and yes, I am aware of that although I think that I have mostly managed to be nice, helpful, and tolerant here, I have had some bad moments as well, which is definitely not something to be proud of or emulate, but given my sheer amount of work here, it has nevertheless been hard to absolutely always avoid when I have been sufficiently overworked or otherwise stressed out.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Yeah like, I reported Sean almost a year ago. He was banned for a year at least before. Yet Sean was given a lot of leniency. Staff basically ignored my report and let Sean get off easy and let him be toxic.

And really, we need to observe out attidutes? Fair enough I should accept it, but Sean DID NOT consider others from me watching how he acted the whole year. We are at a point where we need to speculate that Sean has mental issues?

No. Sean acted awful towards people. I reported him and he got mostly scott free. End of story.

 

[Antvasima]

I was speaking in general terms about our community as a whole here, since it seems to be gradually turning increasingly hostile.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

How does Sean keep getting all this leniency and sympathy just because other people finally have enough of his behaviour?

Banned for an entire year without possibility of appeal
Leniency

I don't know about that one chief.

People dont really stir him up, he constantly does go on these delusional saviour-complex rants about Pokemon as a verse, constantly ragging on anything that puts it in the slightest bit of scrutiny or criticism, when it comes to both Pokemon scaling and the franchise itself. Theres a stark difference between being passionate for a verse and just being obtusely obsessed. He goes red at the sight of any disagreement and will tend to always be first with the insults

And he's being punished for it

I got no bearing on punishing others, i dont really care, but when people finally get sick of it and call him out, then yeah, the comments are rude but its not like they arent just blatantly reacting to Sean beating a dead horse over and over. Sean does the exact same thing for less, and all he seems to do is either get slaps on the wrist, or the discussion about any consequences for him get lost to time (until now).
Can also confirm he is awful off site. Numerous questionable scandals and things he says, hes notorious in the community as a whole for his rants under that video, and other things he would directly say (lewd, racist, transphobic etc.)

He didn't get a slap in the wrist. Sean being bad doesn't excuse bad behavior. Period. Like, I hope you realize this entire rant is quite literally against the sentiment of "be decent, don't be like Sean"

Guaranteed whenever he comes back, he's just gonna rant about how he needs to 'Make Pokemon Great Again' and find any reason to excuse and derail other threads. So the year break should definitely be appreciated (if thats really the best that can be done. It feels the longer hes kept around and entertained on this site, the more of a lolcow he becomes)

When he's back, if he messes up, he will be given an appropriate punishment. That should not be used as an excuse for people to gang up on anyone, which was my entire point.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I don't really think people who already spoke out their frustrations need to do regular repeats, first posts from each regular/Nonstaff user who was pinged will suffice. And it looks like the people who had their posts reported have already apologized for their comments. But I do also think it might be a valid statement to say Sean is someone who seems to embody Main Character Syndrome. It isn't a real mental health issue per say, though it's something that can happen if one either makes 0 effort to give proper seriousness in treating one's mental health. But it's less affiliated/related to mental health issues and more associated of just having a trendy internet persona (Which is basically where "Syndrome" tends to be a commonly misused internet terminology). But he basically has that stereotypical personality of overplaying the wrongs of his opponents and underplaying the wrongs of his own to great lengths in an attempt to manipulate people into thinking everyone else is worse than he is when that's hardly the case.

But that being said, I think we already discussed Sean's sentence enough and that the final decision was concluded. Staff may be able to weigh in if others may need some degree of punishments or if the warning followed by formal apologies on the thread are enough.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

But that being said, I think we already discussed Sean's sentence enough and that the final decision was concluded. Staff may be able to weigh in if others may need some degree of punishments or if the warning followed by formal apologies on the thread are enough.

Agreed.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I know warnings are most likely not deleted for the sake of record keeping, but I am curious now as to whether there SHOULD be any sort of set criteria as to the relationship between:

• the time passed between individual occasions of rule breaches
• the total number of rule breaches
• the severity of punishments

Then again, it probably also depends on the type of rule breaches occur for each case (case-by-case basis).

This has come up before:

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Hajun111 makes questionable, to say the least, changes to pages (which are reverted now though) and created a blank page. I think he just needs some guidance tbh. That report goes here.

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Think these are relevant too:

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Charmander posted the following message. 🙏 "Also people are assuming I have, or will be creating accounts if the appeal gets rejected. No, absolutely not. My only weapon to prove I've grown as a person is be patient and ask again and again for you guys to give me another chance. Since Topaz, I...

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Clarification Of Sentence Phrasings And Addition Of Expected Punishments For Each Type Of Rule Breach For All Rules Pages

https://vsbattles.com/members/mr-bambu.3010/ Mr Bambu gave permission to make this thread regarding what we discussed in his profile wall and in the VSBW RVR thread... so here it is. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Site_Rules https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Editing_Rules...

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[Antvasima]

Anyway, it seems like we should have acted earlier regarding this issue, so I apologise about that.

 

[Sparkive]

It seems the discussion is over, but I still think there shouldn't be a problem if I talk.

I don't want to repeat myself (because I've already brought this up before), but I reported Sean at the time.
This continued for the next 8 messages aprox, and... immediately died because the topic of a sockpuppet came up
However, one staff member expressed the feeling that at that point the punishment should be increased

And we're talking about basically the first time I spoke to him; there was no prior history, no possible fault on my part, nothing.
...
That's why I decided not to appear in the Pokémon thread so I wouldn't run into him so much.
And he himself mentioned there that the newcomers always tried to "show themselves as superior to him," fail, and left the Pokémon Scaling community... In other words, either he's making it up, or he caused people to decide to stop discussing Pokémon, which negatively affects that thread.
...
..
.
Sorry for rambling, but honestly, I think that in Sean's case, he should at least adhere to what he's been told: he can't try to get his ban lifted. At most, when he returns, he should be kept under close observation for a while, and if he doesn't improve, he should be permanently banned.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sean has responded to the reasons for his ban.

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Antvasima?threadId=4400000000003873361#4400000000014886691

Considering that my name has been brought up... no.

The real context of him being banned from that Discord is him starting to derail genuine discussions about Pokémon scalings by bringing out his usual nonsense about his crusade against other monster franchises, other than him starting to attack me out of the blue just because I was talking about YGO in a non-derogatory way, but I disgress (could bring some evidence about that if y'all want, I just can't do that coz I'm pretty busy).

HOWEVER, he did say some pretty messed up stuff on his latest comments (made yesterday, mind you) on that Pokémon vs Digimon video he's been spamming since a decade:

Up to y'all what should be done from this.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Considering that my name has been brought up... no.

The real context of him being banned from that Discord is him starting to derail genuine discussions about Pokémon scalings by bringing out his usual nonsense about his crusade against other monster franchises, other than him starting to attack me out of the blue just because I was talking about YGO in a non-derogatory way, but I disgress (could bring some evidence about that if y'all want, I just can't do that coz I'm pretty busy).

HOWEVER, he did say some pretty messed up stuff on his latest comments (made yesterday, mind you) on that Pokémon vs Digimon video he's been spamming since a decade:

Up to y'all what should be done from this.

Inserting the usual "we don't prosecute offsite stuff" shtick here.

That said, given that this gives some decent indicators for why he acts the way he does onsite, I think this is worth considering for an extension of the ban.

 

[07epicgg07]

Considering that my name has been brought up... no.

The real context of him being banned from that Discord is him starting to derail genuine discussions about Pokémon scalings by bringing out his usual nonsense about his crusade against other monster franchises, other than him starting to attack me out of the blue just because I was talking about YGO in a non-derogatory way, but I disgress (could bring some evidence about that if y'all want, I just can't do that coz I'm pretty busy).

HOWEVER, he did say some pretty messed up stuff on his latest comments (made yesterday, mind you) on that Pokémon vs Digimon video he's been spamming since a decade:

Up to y'all what should be done from this.

His obsession with a Death Battle episode from 10 years ago and venting against other monster taming franchises (like Digimon and Yugioh) is really something else. It's genuinely insane.

I checked that comment section and he made those two comments around a day ago. Sort the comment section by newest and you all can see it. That's assuming he hasn't deleted it, but at the time I am posting this comment, he hasn't deleted it yet.

Also, if most Digimon supporters like me hated Pokemon and cared about the whole Pokemon vs Digimon shenanigans, I would not have voted for Arceus true form to be 1-A.

But I guess I should briefly address some things he wrote in the message walls.

All I said otherwise was that the Digimon fans seem to be sidestepping deletions and consequences by perpetually claiming that their profiles and undergoing revisions when they're not. The things I point out are actual perceived issues I have with how the verse is treated, and people ignore me every single time I tell them I'm fine with the verse existing.

That is literally not true. In the profile deletion request thread, even after @Omegabronic showed evidence on profiles we are working on, Sean continued to pursue profile deletion. We Digimon supporters have reiterated many times in that thread that we are working on profiles and that we recently passed a CRT.

Wiki Page Deletion Requests Thread (New forum)

Are these eligible for deletion? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kimyo_Physiology https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Ember_Gym https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Talents_(Ordeal) None of them went through the CRT proccess of them being added, dont meet the P&A requirement and contain wrong...

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It should also be noted we recently updated DarkKnightmon and Leomon profiles by passing a mini CRT. We're also planning more CRTs aimed at profiles and we Digimon supporters are currently focused on updating profiles as a priority. In fact, the reason why the first major CRT in a long time was focused on Digimon Physiology/Data Manipulation was to make profiles rework easier.

Also, he didn't ONLY insinuate we were "sidestepping deletions" profiles.

He also previously insinuate, in another thread, that Digimon supporters were using blogs to sidestep the entire process/standards of this site.

The Digimon verse and the linking of blog posts

Worst Harry Potter book ever It has come to my attention that, ever since a great number of substandard Digimon profiles were deleted, identical blog posts to the profiles that were just deleted were linked to the verse instead. I did some research, and this something that the Digimon verse has...

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He may be fine with the verse existing on this site, but he's definitely hostile towards us Digimon supporters, our profiles, and our blogs.

This is not provoking others. It's me sharing a meme I found because it was funny and put the MU into perspective. The only thing it even "provoked" was this response, which not at all an upset response and even I found hilarious.

Maybe "provoking" is not the right word. But it warranted a response. It's why @Omegabronic politely made a response on why that's not true. However, the fact remains, Sean not only denied the evidence but said Digimon supporters were as I quote "makes s*** up".

DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Omegabronic had to share scans.

DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

I can definitely do that (hell, with my new stuff I'm going to be giving profile makeovers left and right) Unless I see something in the manga, I'm unlikely to find anything (I'm going to be researching exclusively manga to keep canon debates to a minimum, if accepted otherwise I'll include...

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Even after being offered these scans, Sean was venting that people like @Omegabronic is the reason why his Pokemon CRTs aren't progressing.

DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

I can definitely do that (hell, with my new stuff I'm going to be giving profile makeovers left and right) Unless I see something in the manga, I'm unlikely to find anything (I'm going to be researching exclusively manga to keep canon debates to a minimum, if accepted otherwise I'll include...

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[Antvasima]

Inserting the usual "we don't prosecute offsite stuff" shtick here.

That said, given that this gives some decent indicators for why he acts the way he does onsite, I think this is worth considering for an extension of the ban.

Yes. I am inclined to extend Sean's ban ban to permanent if those comments represent his general attitude in our community and elsewhere. Also, don't we make exceptions for actual severe hate-speech, even if it is made outside of our community?

 

[Reiner04]

Yes. I am inclined to extend Sean's ban ban to permanent if those comments represent his general attitude in our community and elsewhere. Also, don't we make exceptions for actual severe hate-speech, even if it is made outside of our community?

This really puts into perspective why everyone is so fed up with Sean’s behavior and constant baiting. While being annoyed doesn't give people a free pass to talk trash some1, it's hard to blame them entirely for reacting that way when the provocations are consistent, intentional and, especially coming from someone known for their extreme hostility toward certain fanbases (combined with how he just keep giving excuses for his behaviour rather than admiting outright that he is doing it intentionally). I’m fine with a perma ban, we don't need members who consistently instigate drama intentionally and disrupts community harmony.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/death...ath-battle-spoilers-alert.171872/post-7551757

Unnecessary aggression for no valid reason coupled with unneeded homophobic insult

 

[07epicgg07]

If yall don't mind me commenting once more:

@StrymULTRA screenshot of Sean's comments on "Digimon fans" in the Pokemon vs Digimon Death Battle shows he posted those two comments a day ago or 2 days ago.

As a reminder, his ban was applied last Friday which is around 4 days ago.

This means 3 things.

1. I don't think he remotely reflected on his ban.
2. He hasn't changed his behavior for the better.
3. Most of all, he still doesn't understand why everyone, on this site as well as others offsite on other social media platforms, is genuinely tired of his behavior (or that he knows, but this behavior of his is intentional).

I am not be a staff and I don't have formal voting rights, I previously said in this RVR thread I wouldn't mind if it was either 1 year ban or permaban, but I just want to say I officially changed my mind and I would rather see staff members change his 1 year ban to a permaban.

As a Digimon fan in general/Digimon supporter on this site, with those 2 comments from Sean, I'll speak for most Digimon supporters and "Digimon fans" on this site as well as offsite, but we are genuinely tired of his behavior.

Keep in mind, Sean Pazdera own awful behavior isn't just limited to Digimon fandom but towards other fandoms as well.

Edit: I should also mention this behavior of Sean's is even directed toward other Pokemon supporters on this site like StrymULTRA.

 

[Bigdongus]

I wasn't mentioned in any of this, but I feel the need to state my thoughts on the Sean situation. Feel free to remove this if need be.

As a witness and someone who has dealt with Sean's behavior for years both on and off the wiki, I think a yearlong ban is extremely generous to him. And this ban has come far too late. I have seen people get destroyed by mods and admins on various forums for magnitudes less than what Sean has been up to, and that is before taking those YouTube comments into account. Even the screwattack forums staff wouldn't tolerate this.

I'll try to put this as nicely as possible but given how he has been dealt with up until this point I have serious doubts in the various staff claims that they'll "deal with him properly" if he continues his behavior when he comes back. And it isn't even an "if" it's almost certainly a "when". Someone who has been like this for over a decade because of a fanfiction web series isn't the type to change or reflect.

He seems to have genuine mental issues and needs legitimate IRL help. Letting him rage on a forum all day isn't going to help him, it'll just make everything worse for all parties involved.

 

[Antvasima]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/death...ath-battle-spoilers-alert.171872/post-7551757

Unnecessary aggression for no valid reason coupled with unneeded homophobic insult

That isn't a homophobic slur as far as I am aware, or at least not usually used as one. It just means that somebody is oversensitive as far as I am aware.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

That isn't a homophobic slur as far as I am aware, or at least not usually used as one. It just means that somebody is oversensitive as far as I am aware.

Ant, that word was invented as a homophobic insult, lets not lie here

 

[Antvasima]

Also, I don't mind if we apply a permanent ban for Sean.

Buddy, that word was invented as a homophobic insult, lets not lie here

I don't think that most people associate it with that context, or at least neither I nor the Oxford dictionary do.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

I don't think that most people associate it with that context, or at least neither I nor the Oxford dictionary do.

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Using that as your argument is dumb Ant, the insult was created as a homophobic one and it's used 99% of the time as a homophobic insult, stop lying dude

 

[Thermor]

Using that as your argument is dumb Ant, the insult was created as a homophobic one and it's used 99% of the time as a homophobic insult, stop lying dude

Hold on, why accusing Ant being lying? He has no purpose of malicious intent here.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Hold on, why accusing Ant being lying? He has no purpose of malicious intent here.

Because he's lying, what's there to be confused about?

 

[Thermor]

Because he's lying, what's there to be confused about?

Ok do you have any proof of him lying? He showed you the definition yet here you are being unjustifiably aggressive.

 

[Damage3245]

Because he's lying, what's there to be confused about?

This is uncalled for. Someone saying something you disagree with doesn't mean they're lying. They could be misinformed, or have a different interpretation, or maybe you're the one who is just wrong.