Rock Lee vs Deku

[CiscoTheSoto]

Rock Lee vs Deku

• Battle location: Hidden Leaf Village
• Both in-character
• Speed is equalized
• 8% Joint Training Arc Deku and Part I Base Lee without weights are used. Gates are allowed

The Green Beast of Konoha:

Future Symbol of Peace:

Inconclusive:

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Rock Lee's AP: 18.58 tons, 92.9 tons with First Gate, higher than 100 tons with the other gates

Rock Lee's LS: At least 7.18 tons (Class 10)

Rock Lee's Speed: Mach 29.15

Deku's AP: 41.11 tons

Deku's LS: 15.04 tons (Class 25)

Deku's Speed: Mach 16

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Oh it absolutely matters here in terms of speed. He needs some time to predict, and it’s a much larger ap gap so he won’t have that time if he gets brutalized

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Bump

 

[TheFrostKnight]

I'm betting Lee here due to him being over 2x stronger and tougher along with having a greater amount of abilities. Midoriya can't even make use of his LS advantage due to his lack of control with Blackwhip.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I'm betting Lee here due to him being over 2x stronger and tougher along with having a greater amount of abilities. Midoriya can't even make use of his LS advantage due to his lack of control with Blackwhip.

And Deku can’t just spam OFA from Kilometers away?
His analytical prediction can help him catch up to someone over 3x his speed, so unless Lee got some speed blitz level abilities he’s not getting consistent hits.
And LS can still be used it just, grabbing? It makes his grappling moves usless as Deku can just break out with easy

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I'm betting Lee here due to him being over 2x stronger and tougher along with having a greater amount of abilities. Midoriya can't even make use of his LS advantage due to his lack of control with Blackwhip.

Also Lee is limited to Taijutsu, in his flashback we can see he can’t even use the substitution Justu, so most of his ”arsenal” isn’t even useable

 

[TheFrostKnight]

Also Lee is limited to Taijutsu, in his flashback we can see he can’t even use the substitution Justu, so most of his ”arsenal” isn’t even useable

Then why are those abilities even on his profile in the first place?

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Then why aren't those abilities even on his profile in the first place?

Idk. I didn’t make it

 

[TheFrostKnight]

Anyways...

And Deku can’t just spam OFA from Kilometers away?

Can't Lee just dodge? He's not going to stand there like an idiot if he sees air bullets coming his way.

His analytical prediction can help him catch up to someone over 3x his speed, so unless Lee got some speed blitz level abilities he’s not getting consistent hits.

When did Deku ever predict the moves of someone 3x his speed?

And LS can still be used it just, grabbing? It makes his grappling moves usless as Deku can just break out with easy

Fair point but it's hardly IC for Deku to just restrain someone with his bare hands.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Anyways...


Can't Lee just dodge? He's not going to stand there like an idiot if he sees air bullets coming his way.

Yeah, but deku can also Just, keep going backwards

When did Deku ever predict the moves of someone 3x his speed?

Look at the analytical prediction section of his profile (in the JT arc section)

Fair point but it's hardly IC for Deku to just restrain someone with his bare hands.

Eh, more of he can’t be grabbed by the other techniques

 

[TheFrostKnight]

Yeah, but deku can also Just, keep going backwards

Well then, wouldn't Midoriya just stop using the bullets at some point? His opponent is mobile enough to dodge them and even if they did connect, it wouldn't deal much damage since they are over 2x weaker than Lee's durability.

Look at the analytical prediction section of his profile (in the JT arc section)

That's not what I meant. I wanted to know the speed feats of Mirio or whoever he predicted the movements of. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Eh, more of he can’t be grabbed by the other techniques

Fair enough

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Well then, wouldn't Midoriya just stop using the bullets at some point? His opponent is mobile enough to dodge them and even if they did connect, it wouldn't deal much damage since they are over 2x weaker than Lee's durability.

Not really, he can fire more than one at once, and if he sees that his melee attacks at the start of the fight aren’t very good why would he stay closer

That's not what I meant. I wanted to know the speed feats of Mirio or whoever he predicted the movements of. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

All Good, anyways Mirio scales to Overhaul who scales far over Mach 21 (Rappa’s Strongarm scales to 3x Mach 7, and Overhaul can beat him before he even realizes what happens)

 

[TheFrostKnight]

Not really, he can fire more than one at once, and if he sees that his melee attacks at the start of the fight aren’t very good why would he stay closer

It's not like his punches/kicks will be inefficient, and I'd imagine that Midoriya would prefer using his fists rather than his weaker air bullets unless Lee skillstomps.

All Good, anyways Mirio scales to Overhaul who scales far over Mach 21 (Rappa’s Strongarm scales to 3x Mach 7, and Overhaul can beat him before he even realizes what happens)

Well, in that case, this fight comes down to a battle of stamina. Lee's profile doesn't state any notable stamina feats so Midoriya can probably just wear Lee down with air bullets. Also, Blackwhip is probably helpful for staying away from H2H if it is a skillstomp.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

It's not like his punches/kicks will be inefficient, and I'd imagine that Midoriya would prefer using his fists rather than his weaker air bullets unless Lee skillstomps.

Well, in that case, this battle comes down to a battle of stamina. Lee's profile doesn't state any notable stamina feats so Midoriya can probably just wear Lee down with air bullets. Also, Blackwhip is probably helpful for staying from H2H if it is a skillstomp.

Yeah, Battle comes down to stamina which Deku destroys Lee in.
Unless lee can turn his bones to dust in a single hit Deku ain't going down for awhile (OFA 100% shatters his bones on impact, and he just runs with the repeatedly shattered arms like it's normal)

 

[TheFrostKnight]

Though to be fair, Lee could probably win if he could manage to keep Deku in H2H, but it would be incredible difficult with Izuku's mobility and Analytical Prediction.

Either way, voting Deku

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Yeah just in case it isn’t obvious Deku FRA

 

[Tots_Real]

I'd probably say Lee since he has better training, higher AP and home field advantage.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I'd probably say Lee since he has better training, higher AP and home field advantage.

But what does training matter when Deku is bouncing off of buildings predicting lee’s every move.
Ap is barely over double, Deku took hits from a restrained All Might who is currently 7-A. Even if he wasn’t going all out that’s A busted pain tolerance
Home field isn’t even useful because it’s a clustered village, it’s gonna get decimated by each attack.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

I think that Lee would win this one because his taijutsu was enough to easily overwhelm despite Sasuke possessing a Sharingan which could easily read Sasuke's movements. When they get to close-quarters combat, I don't really see how Deku could stand much of a chance, and he'd probably get seriously injured from his attacks like the Leaf Hurricane. I think Lee's pretty good at dodging as well, since he could dodge several of Gaara's long-ranged sand attacks, so he could just dodge Deku's long-ranged Air Force attacks and go in close. Though Deku can bounce around buildings, Lee is just as acrobatic and nimble, and without his weights, he was shown casually zipping around from multiple angles while attacking Gaara, so I don't think Deku's got an advantage in that department. Since Lee knows the Hidden Leaf Village, he could just drag the fight to somewhere open where Deku can't zip around on buildings if worse comes to worst.

Lee isn't a slouch when it comes to stamina, either. During his fight with Gaara, he was capable of moving around and dodging Gaara's attacks even after having used the First Gate, which significantly drains the body and left him much weaker. He was capable of enduring several of Gaara's sand attacks as well, which were stronger than he was, and was still capable of fighting and dodging rather efficiently. He still had enough energy to continue fighting and opening the other Gates. Even after having had his arm and leg crushed by Gaara, his muscles torn, he was still capable of standing up and preparing to fight on sheer willpower. And how about Lee's exercises where he does several thousand pushups, kicks, or walks around the village on his hands for several hours on-end, enduring the pain of pushing his muscles to the limit? Though Deku did do similarly harsh training, I don't think Deku ever did as many continuous repetitions as Lee did without resting.

Deku would have to land ALOT of hits to wear Lee down with attacks twice as weaker as him, while it would take much less fewer attacks for Lee to bring down Deku. And if the battle goes on for long enough, I think Lee would eventually be able to figure out Deku's movements too, since he's a taijutsu specialist with keen observation skills. I mean, I think it'd be hard for Lee, and it would take a while, but I don't see Deku expertly dodging every one of Lee's movements with ease even with his analytical prediction long enough to put Lee down.

 

[TheFrostKnight]

I think that Lee would win this one because his taijutsu was enough to easily overwhelm despite Sasuke possessing a Sharingan which could easily read Sasuke's movements. When they get to close-quarters combat, I don't really see how Deku could stand much of a chance, and he'd probably get seriously injured from his attacks like the Leaf Hurricane.

Could Sasuke's Sharingan predict the moves of people over 3x faster than him?

I think Lee's pretty good at dodging as well, since he could dodge several of Gaara's long-ranged sand attacks, so he could just dodge Deku's long-ranged Air Force attacks and go in close. Though Deku can bounce around buildings, Lee is just as acrobatic and nimble, and without his weights, he was shown casually zipping around from multiple angles while attacking Gaara, so I don't think Deku's got an advantage in that department. Since Lee knows the Hidden Leaf Village, he could just drag the fight to somewhere open where Deku can't zip around on buildings if worse comes to worst.

I'm not saying that Lee and Deku aren't equal in that department, I simply think that Deku can make better use of his mobility due to his range and analytical prediction. And if Lee brought Deku out into an open field, he'd limit his agility.

Lee isn't a slouch when it comes to stamina, either. During his fight with Gaara, he was capable of moving around and dodging Gaara's attacks even after having used the First Gate, which significantly drains the body and left him much weaker. He was capable of enduring several of Gaara's sand attacks as well, which were stronger than he was, and was still capable of fighting and dodging rather efficiently. He still had enough energy to continue fighting and opening the other Gates. Even after having had his arm and leg crushed by Gaara, his muscles torn, he was still capable of standing up and preparing to fight on sheer willpower. And how about Lee's exercises where he does several thousand pushups, kicks, or walks around the village on his hands for several hours on-end, enduring the pain of pushing his muscles to the limit? Though Deku did do similarly harsh training, I don't think Deku ever did as many continuous repetitions as Lee did without resting.

Deku would have to land ALOT of hits to wear Lee down with attacks twice as weaker as him, while it would take much less fewer attacks for Lee to bring down Deku. And if the battle goes on for long enough, I think Lee would eventually be able to figure out Deku's movements too, since he's a taijutsu specialist with keen observation skills. I mean, I think it'd be hard for Lee, and it would take a while, but I don't see Deku expertly dodging every one of Lee's movements with ease even with his analytical prediction long enough to put Lee down.

Deku got his arm broken by Muscular, took a beating from Muscular, broke his other arm when using a 100% smash, further damaged the same arm after using 1,000,000%, ran down a mountain, and got one of his arms burned by Dabi before finally passing out a few minutes later. And the day before, he fought for 8 hours straight along with his classmates. Keep in mind that this was one of his earlier keys.

It's going to take a lot of hits to wear Midoriya down too. I'm not saying Deku won't get hit, but Lee will be taking a lot more damage when he's constantly getting hit with air bullets.

 

[Tots_Real]

But what does training matter when Deku is bouncing off of buildings predicting lee’s every move.

Fist off Lee is from a series about ninjas so "bouncing off buildings" is not impress but more importantly Deku preditction abilities aren't at that level. Sure Deku can predict the position of Lee but he's not going to be able to predict his attacks (especially more unique ones like the Primary Lotus) at least initially.
Also in his fight agienst Naruto Lee was able to see Naruto's attack and perfectly counter it and then when he fought Sasuke, Sasuke was completely outmatched and even with the shunigun activated Lee was able land a clean kick on him and Sasuke couldn't figure out his next move even after Sasuke correctly identified it.

Ap is barely over double, Deku took hits from a restrained All Might who is currently 7-A. Even if he wasn’t going all out that’s A busted pain tolerance

All Might was heavily restrained in that fight, if he didn't Deku would be dead. Also Lee has massive pain tolerance too, so that doesn't really change anything.

Home field isn’t even useful because it’s a clustered village, it’s gonna get decimated by each attack.

Unless they destroy all of the village, Lee would still be extremely well suited for his surroundings.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Fist off Lee is from a series about ninjas so "bouncing off buildings" is not impress but more importantly Deku preditction abilities aren't at that level. Sure Deku can predict the position of Lee but he's not going to be able to predict his attacks (especially more unique ones like the Primary Lotus) at least initially.
Also in his fight agienst Naruto Lee was able to see Naruto's attack and perfectly counter it and then when he fought Sasuke, Sasuke was completely outmatched and even with the shunigun activated Lee was able land a clean kick on him and Sasuke couldn't figure out his next move even after Sasuke correctly identified it.

Surprisingly enough, it is at that Level. He hadn't even started fighting Mirio at minute ago, he was over 3x faster, and the only reason he didn't counter Mirio's attack is because Mirio's quirk is intangibility.
The Sharigan can predict but Sasuke needs to be able to move to counter it Midoryia too for his analytical prediction. Only one of the two was able to catch their opponent off guard with their prediction abilitys. speed is equal here, Deku has no trouble with people far surpassing him in speed, what's going to stop him from predicting the attacks of someone at his own speed

All Might was heavily restrained in that fight, if he didn't Deku would be dead. Also Lee has massive pain tolerance too, so that doesn't really change anything.

See GoGo's point above

Unless they destroy all of the village, Lee would still be extremely well suited for his surroundings.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

I've realized now that speed really doesn't have to be equalized. Deku can supposedly predict the speeds of opponents 3 times faster than he is, which has been reiterated several times on different threads, and the speed difference between the two here is just a little over x3. Even if it takes being hit several times, Deku's been brutalized by opponents several times stronger than he is before, such as with Muscular and Nine, and continued to fight thanks to his very high stamina.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I've realized now that speed really doesn't have to be equalized. Deku can supposedly predict the speeds of opponents 3 times faster than he is, which has been reiterated several times on different threads, and the speed difference between the two here is just a little over x3. Even if it takes being hit several times, Deku's been brutalized by opponents several times stronger than he is before, such as with Muscular and Nine, and continued to fight thanks to his very high stamina.

Yeah but that turns the fight even more into Lee’s favor, the match is already a master CQC with an over 2x ap gap but if you do that it’s a 3x speed gap.
Deku against Mirio didn’t have that AP gap.
and unlike Muscular and Nine, he can’t 100% smash

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Yeah but that turns the fight even more into Lee’s favor, the match is already a master CQC with an over 2x ap gap but if you do that it’s a 3x speed gap.
Deku against Mirio didn’t have that AP gap.
and unlike Muscular and Nine, he can’t 100% smash

Deku's still got long-range game and iron soles to double his impact. Also remember, his durability is higher than his 8% AP since even in his base state, he's able to take attacks from Nine.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Deku's still got long-range game and iron soles to double his impact. Also remember, his durability is higher than his 8% AP since even in his base state, he's able to take attacks from Nine.

You’d have to give him prior knowledge to make it fair.
Idk if you remember but his fight in 8% vs Nine ended in him getting wrecked, and nine is like baseline 8-B

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Why do people always quote Deku predicting Mirio’s movements but never Gentle’s, someone he deemed impossible to predict, but then 2 minutes later perfectly predicted to the point of knowing the exact placement and size of his invisible air membranes to use against him? Followed by instantly adjusting to snipe an air membrane to bounce his Air Force off of while being centimeters from hitting the ground?

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Why do people always quote Deku predicting Mirio’s movements but never Gentle’s, someone he deemed impossible to predict, but then 2 minutes later perfectly predicted to the point of knowing the exact placement and size of his invisible air membranes to use against him? Followed by instantly adjusting to snipe an air membrane to bounce his Air Force off of while being centimeters from hitting the ground?

Agreed. That's what should be used as justification for his analytical prediction on his profile page since it's much more impressive than predicting Mirio would just appear behind him, which isn't all too impressive by itself.

 

[TheFrostKnight]

Why do people always quote Deku predicting Mirio’s movements but never Gentle’s, someone he deemed impossible to predict, but then 2 minutes later perfectly predicted to the point of knowing the exact placement and size of his invisible air membranes to use against him? Followed by instantly adjusting to snipe an air membrane to bounce his Air Force off of while being centimeters from hitting the ground?

No idea.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Bump

 

[Tatsumi504]

Rock lee FRA

 

[Tatsumi504]

Lee could counter sasuke's analytical predictions with the sharingan that can literally see his muscle movements

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Lee could counter sasuke's analytical predictions with the sharingan that can literally see his muscle movements

That is his one trick in this fight seeing as Cisco didnt equalize speed, that means this goes from incredibly one sided to out right stomp

 

[Tatsumi504]

That is his one trick in this fight seeing as Cisco didnt equalize speed, that means this goes from incredibly one sided to out right stomp

So should it be closed?

@CiscoTheSoto if you're searching for a fair fight for deku why not use sakura and 45% deku?

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

So should it be closed?

@CiscoTheSoto if you're searching for a fair fight for deku why not use sakura and 45% deku?

Ye.
and idk why he doesn’t. Maybe because A single blackwhip can permanently disable Sakura? (Class T vs Class M)

 

[Tatsumi504]

Ye.
and idk why he doesn’t. Maybe because A single blackwhip can permanently disable Sakura? (Class T vs Class M)

Probably cause sakura is MHS+ and can one shot deku with chakra scalpels +poison +regen negg (can literally give him cancer)+ her own regen+ immortality+ can melt him with acid

Yeah just realized sakura would stomp

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Probably cause sakura is MHS+ and can one shot deku with chakra scalpels +poison +regen negg (can literally give him cancer)

Yeah just realized sakura would stomp

Cancer, the bane of all humans.
eventually Naruto vs Deku will happen and it will be fair. Definitely not foreshadowing

 

[Tatsumi504]

vs Deku will happen and it will be fai

Literally cannot see that happening

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Literally cannot see that happening

One day, one day