Rob 1-A (Gumball Verse)

[ReverseCross]

Feat: In the series finale, "The Inquisition," Superintendent Evil, an elderly human, arrives at Elmore Jr. High to eliminate cartoon-like behavior. His methods include enforcing realistic behavior under threat of punishment. The superintendent is revealed to be using technology to transform characters into humans. After successfully converting most students.Rob expresses frustration at being stopped. He reveals the transformation was meant to facilitate escape to what he calls "the other place" before an unspecified impending event.

When the context is taken into account, it becomes clear that Rob possesses a form of transcendence structured as reality > fiction. The place he refers to as “the other place” is, in fact, the real world inhabited by us, the viewers. However, the central issue here is that in order to invent such a technology, Rob would need an exceptionally extensive level of experiential and practical intelligence regarding real human physiology and anatomy. This strongly implies that Rob must have traveled to the real world at least several times. After all, what he imitates is not merely the outward appearance of human, but also their vocal qualities and behavioral patterns, all of which closely and convincingly align with those of real human beings.

 

[AsterReal]

Unless Rob has the help of a higher power to reach a higher realm/level of existence, he cannot ascend to 1-A. Because if he was able to reach the real world without help, then it is not a world that sees Gumball as fictional.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

please use a more readable color for text.

Anyway what you just brought up are mere headcanons on what the Otherside could be. unless you can actually support it with actual statements saying what you claim

 

[ReverseCross]

Unless Rob has the help of a higher power to reach a higher realm/level of existence, he cannot ascend to 1-A. Because if he was able to reach the real world without help, then it is not a world that sees Gumball as fictional.

No, the explanation page for r > f does not state that the character must have such an auxiliary, supporting ability.

 

[ReverseCross]

please use a more readable color for text.

Anyway what you just brought up are mere headcanons on what the Otherside could be. unless you can actually support it with actual statements saying what you claim

Actually, I can use whatever color I want, but next time I’ll change the color so you can read it more easily.

However, the hypothesis that the ‘other place’ is not the real world is something you have just proposed yourself, and there is nothing to support this seemingly illogical skepticism. On the contrary, as I mentioned above, Rob turns the characters into humans and even imitates being human himself. So by claiming that this ‘other world’ is not the real world, you are pushing the discussion toward an uncertain speculation, like heaven and hell.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

However, the hypothesis that the ‘other place’ is not the real world is something you have just proposed yourself, and there is nothing to support this seemingly illogical skepticism. On the contrary, as I mentioned above, Rob turns the characters into humans and even imitates being human himself. So by claiming that this ‘other world’ is not the real world, you are pushing the discussion toward an uncertain speculation, like heaven and hell.

No. I did not propose it. I challenged your notion since you are the one proposing it, claiming it. Therefore, the burden of proof that it is a factual and actual thing lies on you, not me.

furthermore what makes the entire skit not just a thing for gag rather than actual hints for what you are claiming.
Your argument has a lot of loose connections that would not suffice for such a claim to be accepted.

Lastly, if you are arguing that the Other Side is 1-A, then it has superiority for the Gumball reality.
Then there is absolutely no way they should be able to resist, or reverse it on their own, without actual support from the other side or equivalent power, which doesn't exist not proven to have happened in this episode

Else it would have a continuous connection, where the said capability that came from a 1-A realm and is a 1-A power is somehow divided into a small unreal version. But if you agree that that was the case, that also breaks the argument where the Superintendent really acquired a true 1-A power from the otherside that would have converted them into Much Real versions of themselves. In either scenario, the argument still falls flat with the narrative in context and the standard in mind

 

[ReverseCross]

No. I did not propose it. I challenged your notion since you are the one proposing it, claiming it. Therefore, the burden of proof that it is a factual and actual thing lies on you, not me.

furthermore what makes the entire skit not just a thing for gag rather than actual hints for what you are claiming.
Your argument has a lot of loose connections that would not suffice for such a claim to be accepted.

Lastly, if you are arguing that the Other Side is 1-A, then it has superiority for the Gumball reality.
Then there is absolutely no way they should be able to resist, or reverse it on their own, without actual support from the other side or equivalent power, which doesn't exist not proven to have happened in this episode

Else it would have a continuous connection, where the said capability that came from a 1-A realm and is a 1-A power is somehow divided into a small unreal version. But if you agree that that was the case, that also breaks the argument where the Superintendent really acquired a true 1-A power from the otherside that would have converted them into Much Real versions of themselves. In either scenario, the argument still falls flat with the narrative in context and the standard in mind

I don’t understand what you’re saying. The fact that this so-called 1-A power turns fictional characters into real humans is irrelevant, because this power did not come from the other side; that is merely your interpretation. What turned the characters into humans was a technology.

However, as I stated above:
He reveals the transformation was meant to facilitate escape to what he calls “the other place” before an unspecified impending event.

For him to be trying to facilitate the characters’ passage to the other side, he must have already been capable of accessing that other place himself beforehand.

 

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No. I did not propose it.

You misunderstood me. I didn’t say that you proposed anything; I simply said that you are being illogically skeptical.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

However, as I stated above:
He reveals the transformation was meant to facilitate escape to what he calls “the other place” before an unspecified impending event.

For him to be trying to facilitate the characters’ passage to the other side, he must have already been capable of accessing that other place himself beforehand. Moreover, as seen in the source I provided, Rob does not appear to be dependent on this technology at all; he was able to alter his own physiology entirely on his own.

That is where the problem is, though. If he truly is capable of passage without restriction, then he would by definition possess the capability to such a degree and therefore shouldn't be divisible. Yet his technology, which is based on his capability, would be limited in comparison, somehow making a false inferior version, which is necessary preparation to drag them to the otherside? meaning he can't exactly use it directly on them despite being real towards them who are fiction

This clearly implies a limitation.
If he has limitations, then he never brought capabilities from the other side, thus not really saying he is on such a level. For what we know, someone might be assisting him to access the otherside. Have you ever thought of such simpler ways it could have been?

But if you argue that there is no limitation on what Rob is able to do on his own. Then the limitation presented in the shows and weakness is now hinges on the otherside thus disqualifying it from being the 1-A real world that is ours as claimed. Or maybe the Real World isn't really our Real world and just a world that is much like and looks like reality rather than something you claim as R>F transcendant because it is somehow based on real life style.

 

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That is where the problem is, though. If he truly is capable of passage without restriction, then he would by definition possess the capability to such a degree and therefore shouldn't be divisible. Yet his technology, which is based on his capability, would be limited in comparison, somehow making a false inferior version, which is necessary preparation to drag them to the otherside?

I didn’t say that Rob has a technology based on his capability, I guess you haven’t watched Gumball, or maybe I’m missing something about the show. He could have gotten this technology from the shopkeeper, just like in the episode with the TV remote. I only claimed that he invented it himself. Actually, now that I think about it, it sounds more plausible that he got it from the shopkeeper.

Also, at the beginning of the new season of the series, we see the characters returning from void. When the series ends, Rob and the others go into void, which supports the logic that Rob’s ultimate goal was to transfer the characters to our real human world before the series ended.

 

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[ReverseCross]

Also, the character has a fourth wall breaking success related to these episodes, which, by the wiki’s standards, supports the idea that the place Rob refers to as “other side” is the real world.

 

[ReverseCross]

So, at least if this is accepted by the personnel, we can add the following to Key, just like the universal remote giving him a Tier 4:

Tier: Possibly 1-A, with technology to transform (he reveals that the transformation was meant to facilitate escape to what he calls 'the other place' before an unspecified impending event)

 

[ReverseCross]

In general, such cases can be relatively straightforward, as in cosmologies where conventional reality is portrayed as "not really real," and there are superior, "more real" worlds beyond it. If, on top of that, the higher world is depicted as being one that is inhabited by literal readers, authors and consumers of media. Particularly in the latter cases, the portrayal of the real world can also play a relevant role in the evaluation. Specifically: While a generic superiority in power to lower-world beings on the part of the inhabitants of the higher world serves as supporting evidence at best.

The way the characters transform into humans looks just like real humans, which allows them to move into a higher world where the readers and authors exist.

 

[Eficiente]

I don't see how this real world be infinite times more complex than what it views as fiction. If anything, I see that, in being meta, the show treats both realities as comparable. They can even be called "real" and "fictional" in-universe, and the former may even have ways to control the latter. Those things can happen independently of reality-fiction transcendence.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

There is literally zero clarification in the explanation of what the "other place" even is (it reads more like a throwaway mention of some arbitrary cosmological construct with no special weight than an actual Tier 1-A plane).

On top of that, the entire argument starts by presupposing that the "real humans" in the verse are beyond any possible material composition solely because they are "real" humans and not cartoons, when those "real humans" are simply fictional representations that seem to share ontology with the fictional characters from Elmore Jr. High. So the very property that would supposedly grant Tier 1-A status according to the OP is self-contradictory from the outset.

I completely disagree with the thread, and I do not think anything presented here scales to anything.

People need to understand that "R>F" is not always 1-A. It only reaches that tier when it is used as an analogy to express a plane or entity that conceptually transcends the idea of dimensionality, existing utterly beyond any material composition constituted by the tiers below it.

 

[Vietthai96]

What Berny said is correct. Not every Reality-Fiction Difference is Transcendence, some are pseudo, metaphorical transcendence that describe +1D, some are literal 1-A transcendence or 11-C,

And i didn't see any Transcendence here, just a shift between fiction and reality. So yeah, no 1-A,

 

[ReverseCross]

People need to understand that "R>F" is not always 1-A.

I didn’t know there was such a rule lol.

 

[Re5yh]

The place that Rob is going is not the Other place, but could be the void