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Rick and Morty Cosmology Downgrade
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Alright.
I suppose if we consider the pyramid 5D that lines up with it existing within the 5D multiverse too.
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Rick shook and disrupted the entire cosmology while looking for Prime
Can I question what is your proof or argument for it encompassing the entire cosmology? From the orbs and the fact that the 5D aliens can fit into a single universe implies otherwise.
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ShionAH
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I am kinda confused about it too nglWhat are the staff conclusions here so far?
I think we should ask @FinePoint to make it clear what you they think about the Gem statement because Viet agrees with them.
I see they accepted that the scan definitely proves there is at least +2 additional spatial dimensions (Making it 6D) but they think it would apply to the entire multiverse rather than one universe. I mean I haven’t seen any arguments about it that wasn’t debunked and Fine seemed to give up on that by editing the OP to say they are being convinced
Their uncountable timelines would make the cosmology 7D again? I think??
Planck is more clear, he agrees to Heaven downgrade. Seems to agree with the uncountable timelines, flat out disagrees with removing the gem statement.
That’s all I got
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I was convinced that the pyramid being 6D was valid, but wasn't convinced this meant the universe/multiverse had to be too, since we don't have any confirmation it's entirely contained within the universe or if the pyramid we see is just a single part of the whole object so-to-speak.
I think a universe is 2-C, the curve is Low 1-C, and the multiverse is infinite Low 1-C (the multiverse being infinitely bigger than the curve was accepted in another thread).
The 1-C pyramid I think can be mentioned separately as part of the overall 'cosmology' but not necessarily something anyone scales to right now.
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Why would we assume the spatial dimension are completely outside even the multiverse? Especially when we see 5D beings can inhabit it and the fact that Rick can see the dimensions he is referring to in that panel?
I find it really weird that we would assume it's not just outside the universes but also the multiverse and the entirety of reality, especially when we know there is nothing outside the multiverse other than "nondimensional dimensions" (which is nothingness) Would that not debunk your claim?
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More like they intersect it rather than being outside of it. How do we know Rick can see them?
Scan?
ShionAH
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“Dimensions you can’t see without cybernetic augmentation”
Does this not imply he himself is capable due to the upgraded he made on his body.
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Is this canon?
Also, what do you think about Viett's argument for the pyramid being 5D instead of 6D?
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Absolutely, almost everything important in the show is mentioned from the Mr Frundles incident to them going to Parmesan dimension. Space Beth and etc. everything major in the show also “had already happened” in the comic line. Its like a continuation of the story from the show.
I think this was made to build hype for S9, we’ll have to wait and see.
Its complete speculation on their part, there is never a mention of Time being spatial. Time Cops are time traveling. I can’t say much since it has no evidence other than pure “uh well this happens so maybe its spatial”
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Well isn't there a comic scene which posits facts about the Central Finite Curve which are blatantly contradicted by the show later?
Edit: found it.
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What's the contradiction? All I remember is that one Rick goes on a drunken rant about how Central Finite Curve has specific locations for specific Ricks.
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Because in the show it's said it separates the universes where Rick is the smartest in the universe instead, and Simple Rick is said to be 16 iterations off the curve despite fulfilling the criteria to be in one of these layers.
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I mostly based on Uldmaster comment, where he stated the Time Cops walk on time and build stuff on it that mean they treat it like spatial dimension, or physical distance
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Its their way of Time Traveling, Idk what they mean by “walk”. Its clearly a technological movement.
Even if they did in somewhere I didn’t see that would just make them Immesurable in speed rather than turn a temporal dimension into spatial no?
Again, this would just be a feat for them am I wrong?
Anyways, I assume they mean this? If so nowhere was this stated to be located in the 4th dimension itself, its just the headquarters of Time Police.
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It's completely different from the show.
In the show they split off universes where rick is the smartest.
In the comics they say it's layers based on how smart the ricks are.
Simple Rick can't be 16 iterations off the curve if there isn't even 16 layers to it.
ShionAH
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I think its literally off the curve, Simple Rick is outside it. That's why he seems to have a stable family life and not be technology guy BUT it could also be inside the curve in other iterations now this WOULD be a problem if we actually gotten the number amount of layers in the curve. Comics only say there are layers where the smarter ricks are, the further you go the normal ones come, animals etc. But we don't know if these layers also have subset iterations in them. It doesn't say there is "four layers" or anything it just says "the outer rim" and stuff. So nothing actually contradicts the show, I'd say the comics actually add more substance to it actually.
This is a wrong read, they aren't saying that lol. Central Finite Curve still takes the smartest Rick of the universes but then out of these Ricks the smarter ones get on the outer ones, the normal ones middle and etc. Idk where you got that THIS was the requirement of joining the curve in the first place
I made a graph to explain
Like obviously they aren't taking Ricks in just because they are an animal????
From what I gather there is no actual contradiction.
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So just to be clear, you're saying that these universes are entirely primitive, but among those primitive creatures Rick is still the smartest one?
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I think so yeah, sorry I don’t understand what you mean with primitive as a word
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Like the ricks that are 'normal ass' or animals as opposed to 'geniuses.'
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Yes I am saying the normal Ricks, the Rhino Rick or whatever is the smartest thing in their own dimension
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Alright. I suppose that does technically solve the contradiction, though I'm skeptical if that was the intention.
Anyway, I'll wait for some more staff to give input at this point I think.
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Can someone summarise what is going on?
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This was my arguments for why the gem statement should stay, Fine Point asked to see other opinions on it. Basically only the Heaven stuff should be removed.
For the votes, Planck agrees that only Heaven should be removed, Fine Point is seemingly now agreeing to only removing Heaven but they didn’t make it clear yet and I am unfollowing this thread because I am tired of being ignored and needing to repeat myself
Thats what I have
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Heaven?, what is that?
Though 5D being be able to inhabit is kind of not really relevant cause you can have higher dimensions than the place you are in and not be a problem cause small, compactified dimensions is a thing
I don't think it is even immeasurable speed, this is more like of verse cosmological mechanism
Wasn't they builds stuff on it?
Well so outside the multiverse is nondimensional void, oke, so i can agree that the multiverse is higher-dimensional
Though 5D being be able to inhabit is kind of not really relevant cause you can have higher dimensions than the place you are in and not be a problem cause small, compactified dimensions is a thing
I don't think it is even immeasurable speed, this is more like of verse cosmological mechanism
Wasn't they builds stuff on it?
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It was used for an extra axis due to a “Paradimensional” statement but since it ain’t enough everyone agrees to remove it, including me
Wait I thought higher dimensional beings can’t live in a lower dimensional plane? Either way, this at the very least supports my claim which you see to now agree with?
Although I wanna question if the uncountable infinity would make the cosmology stay at 7D or would it fall to 6D but have a few layers to it?
I am not saying it is Immesurable speed because they are clearly just time traveling, I am saying a higher dimensional cosmic being “walking” across time in any series would make that being Immesurable not time itself spatial.
Example: Gravity Falls Profiles
All I can remember is Time Cop Headquarters, which doesn’t have anything to imply its literally built on time itself. Unless I am missing something from the series, no they didn’t.
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Oke
No, unless we are talking about HDE being that also get tier due to their size then it is an issue if they come down to lower dimensional realm, or infinite D being. Other than that you can have small dimensions
Uncountable infinite will +1D to the cosmology overall
Well, so 6D is oke to me via Rick
ShionAH
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Great, so we reached a conclusion. This can be applied.
I am kinda confused though. So the gem statement gives two spatial dimensions making it 5+1. 6D. Although there is uncountable infinite which you said would add one more, so does that mean overall cosmology stays 7D?
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No because we're not assuming the universe has to be the same/higher dimensionality as the pyramid.
So I think the pyramid here scales higher than the multiverse, actually.
I'd also like to hear some more thoughts on the pyramid possibly being 5D as well before we conclude.
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Any evidence? From what we know there is nothing, actually quite literally no dimensions at all outside the multiverse.
I think right now you are the only one in the thread who thinks the multiverse wouldn’t scale to it as far as I can see. So that clearly isn’t the conclusion. Or the
I don’t see how anyone with a straight face would say “dimensions” (plural) means… one dimension.
Unless you think Time is spatial, which I kinda didn’t really see any actual evidence for yet? Please post scans for this
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I don't think so, unfortunately.So is there a sufficient staff consensus here to apply any revisions?
The main point of contention is the pyramid and where it goes in all of this, so we should get final input on that.
Depending on how you interpret it, it could change the characters anywhere from 5D to 7D.
The rest of it regarding the central finite curve being universe+1D seems uncontroversial I think, but might as well get confirmation there too while we're at it.
