Revising Toei Zamasu's Immortality

[Nullflowerblush]

Future Zamasu:

• Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, and 5; Due to a wish upon the Super Dragon Balls, Zamasu became completely immortal. His immortality surpasses the likes of Fusion Zamasu, whose immortality and regeneration were severely dampened as a result of Goku Black's mortal body)
• Regeneration (At least Mid, likely far higher; Healed from being stabbed through the chest and having his head blown off in seconds. Should have greater regenerative abilities than Fusion Zamasu, who is stated to be a "cheat" with the ability to nullify all attacks, even amongst characters such as Cell and Majin Buu)
• Invulnerability (Is impervious to attacks, including the likes of Future Trunks' Final Flash and Goku Black's Kamehameha)
• Pain Inhibition (Shows no signs of pain)

Fusion Zamasu:

• Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, and 5; Inherited Future Zamasu's immortality, although to a lesser degree due to Goku Black's mortal body. His immortality is described as a "cheat", even amongst the likes of character such as Cell and Majin Buu. After being defeated by Future Trunks and and casting away his original form, Zamasu managed to continue living as an incorporeal being, merging with the Earth and eventually the entire universe, with Zen'ō being forced to erase him)
• Regeneration (At least Mid, likely far higher; Despite his immortality being held back by Goku Black's body, he is stated to be a "cheat" with the ability to nullify all attacks as a result of his power and regenerative abilities, even amongst character such as Cell and Majin Buu)
  • Weaknesses: Due to being a fusion of a mortal and an immortal being, Fusion Zamasu's immortality is compromised and his regeneration is far slower. After entering his Grotesque form, the balance between his body and soul began to break down due to Goku Black's mortal half, causing his body to begin tearing itself apart rather than healing. Through anger, he began to grow in his Grotesque form, lowering his speed but increasing his power significantly.

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

agree

 

[VinnyXD]

Why would he go from Mid-High to just Mid.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The original justification was "Mid-High; as an immortal, should be superior to Cell and Buu" with nothing to back it up. If this were the case, Garlic Jr. would also have Mid-High Regeneration for being an immortal.

Kido calls Fusion Zamasu a "cheat" character by Dragon Ball standards which would include Cell and Majin Buu, but never explicitly mentions them, which is why it's "At least Mid, likely far higher" instead of "At least Mid, likely Mid-High" or just straight up Mid-High.

 

[thetechmaster36]

I agree with this.

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

Seems reasonable.
But is the fact that he started to feel pain really needed? Kinda feels like an unnecessary detail.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Where are you getting type 5 immortality from?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Fusion Zamasu:

• • Weaknesses: Due to being a fusion of a mortal and an immortal being, Fusion Zamasu's immortality is compromised and his regeneration is far slower, even showing signs of pain. After accumulating too much damage, his body began to tear itself apart rather than healing, and this became even worse after he entered his Grotesque form, with his body breaking down and becoming increasingly more corrupted as he continued to fight. Through anger, he began to grow in his Grotesque form, lowering his speed but increasing his power significantly.

Fused Zamasu's Groteque form isn't related to the damage he recieves. According to Gowasu, Zamasu's Grotesque form as the result of the balance between his soul and body becoming more and more unstable,, and the more Fused Zamasu's mental state deteriorates, so does his body and his regeneration

His Grotesque form isn't more powerful than his regular form (aside from when he uses his power stressed form) as Goku manages to hit Zamasu in his corrupted state and break his barrier of light with SSJB Kaioken.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with this CRT, but I just wanted to note this thing about Zamasu

 

[Nullflowerblush]

His Grotesque form is referring to the state he was in when he fought Vegito, with the giant arm.

 

[thetechmaster36]

Where are you getting type 5 immortality from?

I think the Type 5 might be because immortals in DB can't be killed without something like the Hakai or Zeno's erasure. For Future Zamasu, it makes sense because it's just Zamasu, but I dunno about Fusion Zamasu.

 

[VinnyXD]

I think the Type 5 might be because immortals in DB can't be killed without something like the Hakai or Zeno's erasure. For Future Zamasu, it makes sense because it's just Zamasu, but I dunno about Fusion Zamasu.

That's just the super manga

 

[thetechmaster36]

That's just the super manga

Would you mind elaborating on this? Because I'm pretty sure the anime has the same thing.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

After being defeated by Future Trunks and and casting away his original form, Zamasu managed to continue living as an incorporeal being, merging with the Earth and eventually the entire universe, with Zen'ō being forced to erase him

 

[VinnyXD]

Would you mind elaborating on this? Because I'm pretty sure the anime has the same thing.

Wait yeah you right my bad mixed it up

 

[thetechmaster36]

Wait yeah you right my bad mixed it up

Ah, that's understandable, it's all good.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Agree.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bump.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I disagree with Invulnerability based on some recent redefinitions on that power; where it's basically the inverse of durability negation. It's attack potency nullification that's only given to characters via lore and makes them immune to all conventional attacks regardless of tier save for stuff like high up Tier 1 and above. And there are specific categories of Invulnerability too. But long story short, we need to be extra cautious when applying it and it shouldn't be mixed up with characters who just happen to be very durable.

But the rest looks good.

 

[VinnyXD]

Bump

 

[VinnyXD]

This would also upgrade Trunks Regeneration negation

 

[VinnyXD]

Bump

 

[VinnyXD]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

I disagree with Invulnerability cause it more like he just simply regenated so fast that we don't see the damage done to him, and the dialogue line is just figurative speech. Most of the time when he got hit by an attack we just saw a huge smoke and a long timeframe before we saw his body again, he could just simply regen in that timeframe. When SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta return to the future with Gowasu and Shin (i forgot what ep), SSB Goku punch did make him got scratched before disappear, that not Invulnerability, just fast regen, like Dante and Vergil regen speed.

And i agree with the rest

 

[VinnyXD]

Bump

 

[VinnyXD]

Bump. Also Zamasu lifting strength should be looked at and why does half he's body have resistance to stuff?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Would this be a bump or a necro?

 

[Rez]

Would this be a bump or a necro?

This isn't that old and the abilities stated didn't get added so probably a bump

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Agree

 

[segetero]

Necro Bump

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I disagree with Invulnerability based on some recent redefinitions on that power; where it's basically the inverse of durability negation. It's attack potency nullification that's only given to characters via lore and makes them immune to all conventional attacks regardless of tier save for stuff like high up Tier 1 and above. And there are specific categories of Invulnerability too. But long story short, we need to be extra cautious when applying it and it shouldn't be mixed up with characters who just happen to be very durable.

But the rest looks good.

I agree with you

 

[SwordLegendz01]

I think this is left of type 5 immortality and weakness to apply to profiles? New threads that have other bullet points have covered this thread, thus unknowingly leaving some of this left up for discussion.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Regeneration bit is outdated because of mid-godly.

 

[Nierre]

agree with the thread

 

[AwkguyDB]

I agree with this

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Kind of outdated. What abilities in the OP still need to be added?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Kind of outdated. What abilities in the OP still need to be added?

Would this be a bump or a necro?

...

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Kind of outdated. What abilities in the OP still need to be added?

I'm sure it's immo type 5

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'm sure it's immo type 5

I guess that's fine.

 

[Dereck03]

If its just immortality type 5 then it's fine.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Disagree with Immortality 5, why would he even have it?