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Renji Dogwalks the Primera Espada

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So, I missed a little sumn sumn for Renji in cour 1 that implies his Post-TS self (pre RG training) is around Byakuya level.

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Here is my proposal for the upgrades to his Post-Timeskip key.

Tier: High 6-A, higher with Bankai and Shakkaho

AP: Multi-Continent level (Renji has done extensive training over the 2 years<ref>Bleach Chapter 465</ref>, and due to the mechanics of reiryoku and reiatsu, his Attack Potency should be comparable to his Durability; this is consistent with the notion that Byakuya brought Renji along to fight the Sternritter implicitly believing Renji is around his level, albeit he is slightly weaker than Byakuya given their performances against As Nodt<ref>Bleach TYBW: Ep. 4 & 5</ref><ref group="Note">2.2175 Exatons</ref>), higher with Bankai and Shakkaho (Byakuya believed that Renji would be able to fight an opponent with Senbonzakura Kageyoshi with his own Bankai<ref>Bleach TYBW: Ep. 5</ref>)

Striking Strength: Multi-Continent level (Comparable to his Attack Potency), higher with Bankai

Durability: Multi-Continent level (Capable of decently defending against an attack from As Nodt wielding Senbonzakura Kageyoshi despite being put on the back foot<ref>Bleach TYBW: Ep. 5</ref><ref group="Note">2.2175 Exatons</ref>), higher with Bankai

Conclusion
Renji's heavily implied and shown to be on the same level as Byakuya even if slightly weaker (hence he's just getting High 6-A and not at least High 6-A).

Agree: Tracer, Griff, Slayer
Neutral:
Disagree:
 
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Don't recall any anti feats but my memory is poop but seems fine to me so I'll agree but will look out for counter arguments. Renji is not him by the way.
 
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The only problem I have is that As Nodt was pretty confident Mask could steal Renji’s Bankai. the same Mask that got taken out by Ikakku, Hisagi and Yumichika and needed a cheer from James to beat them. Unless this upscale those 3(which I’m totally down for) then I don’t see Renji scaling remotely close to Byakuya at that time
 
The only problem I have is that As Nodt was pretty confident Mask could steal Renji’s Bankai. the same Mask that got taken out by Ikakku, Hisagi and Yumichika and needed a cheer from James to beat them. Unless this upscale those 3(which I’m totally down for) then I don’t see Renji scaling remotely close to Byakuya at that time
Well, I mean, you don't need AP to win if you can steal a Bankai, right?

Plus Mask isn't real, but idk if Nodt was aware
 
The only problem I have is that As Nodt was pretty confident Mask could steal Renji’s Bankai. the same Mask that got taken out by Ikakku, Hisagi and Yumichika and needed a cheer from James to beat them. Unless this upscale those 3(which I’m totally down for) then I don’t see Renji scaling remotely close to Byakuya at that time
Wouldn't As Nodt know Mask's abilities and thus could take into account him gaining power and overtaking Renji?
 
The only problem I have is that As Nodt was pretty confident Mask could steal Renji’s Bankai. the same Mask that got taken out by Ikakku, Hisagi and Yumichika and needed a cheer from James to beat them. Unless this upscale those 3(which I’m totally down for) then I don’t see Renji scaling remotely close to Byakuya at that time
Mask’s power level varies tremendously with his cheers. So it doesn’t have to apply to his base form.
 
Wouldn't As Nodt know Mask's abilities and thus could take into account him gaining power and overtaking Renji?
As Nodt wasn’t talking about him gaining power and overpowering Renji though. Mask knocked Renji out right when he was about to use Bankai, and As Nodt said he shouldn’t have done that because then Mask could’ve stolen his Bankai. Said nothing about Mask needing X amount of cheers to power up to be able to steal it
 
Mask’s power level varies tremendously with his cheers. So it doesn’t have to apply to his base form.
His base form is the form in question we’re talking about, which is the form As nodt was confident could steal Renji’s Bankai. Nothing ever implied As Nodt was thinking Mask was gonna need a specific amount of cheers to be able to steal it
 
As Nodt wasn’t talking about him gaining power and overpowering Renji though. Mask knocked Renji out right when he was about to use Bankai, and As Nodt said he shouldn’t have done that because then Mask could’ve stolen his Bankai. Said nothing about Mask needing X amount of cheers to power up to be able to steal it
Mask off guarded Renji, read Mask’s profile. The onus is on you to prove it applies to Mask’s weakest form when nothing indicates that being true whatsoever. In fact empirically the opposite is true. You’re trying to force a contradiction.
 
It’s also worth noting we have no idea how many cheers Mask got before showing up out of nowhere. So you cannot make a claim on what state he’s in rn. Although perhaps his peak Cheers state deserves an upgrade of sorts given that his range should encompass Renji level per As Nodt. I can make a separate thread for that.
 
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