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Renfield's Next Target: Mister Satan (5-0-0) (2 more votes needed!)

There stamina seem equal.


I see no reason an assault even the world's best, should have better hand to hand compacity then the world champ, he may not stand up to the Z fighters but he is the champion of the world still and has still defended his title from multiple very strong and very skilled opponents. I think he takes this.

+ he has bombs as a last resort
 
The other guy's best chance is to play it Stealthy and get the king with the knock out rag, but given herk is twice as strong, a successful grapple to pull that off is unlikly.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
There stamina seem equal.
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Superhuman (Possesses no notable stamina feats but has endured casual strikes from the likes of Cell, Trunks, and Kid Buu and recovered)
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Superhuman (As a familiar, He should have far more stamina than any human. Gets his abdomen sliced open by Apache, exposing his intestines and yet continues to fight and defeat him, then later dragged his body back to his and Dracula's lair while his guts were literally spilling out of his body)
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1. I'm sorry? This is false. Mr Satan as stated on his profile has no notable stamina feats to compare to Renfield who has a cut and clear inhumane & superhuman endurance feat unachieved by Satan so no, they don't have equal stamina.
2. Having Superhuman stamina ≠ Equal stamina with another character who has the same stamina rating. It's solely feats that are compared.
3. Mr Satan's stamina is validated by the fact he takes hits from characters who aren't using their adequate strength to kill him.... Meaning it's unquantifiable the damage done to him.... Most of the damage (E.G. Him getting sent through a tree) he takes harbor 9-B destruction which.... Renfield is also 9-B... Makes no difference regardless. Doesn't matter much if he doesn't scale to the characters in any way who supposedly back up his "stamina".


Darkmon_cns said:
I see no reason an assault even the world's best, should have better hand to hand compacity then the world champ, he may not stand up to the Z fighters but he is the champion of the world still and has still defended his title from multiple very strong and very skilled opponents.
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I see your point. Unlike Mr Satan, Renfield has much showings of martial arts capability which even if Mr Satan has incredible skill, Renfield will not be left in the dust. It's essentially Title and Fame vs Actual Showings of Skill in CQC. I think it cancels out tbh. Renfield also has improvised weaponry in this setting which is a step above what Mr Satan has with martial skill. I believe he takes this with this advantage more than not based on this.

Darkmon_cns said:
+ he has bombs as a last resort
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I didn't give Mr Satan his optional equipment. Aka no bombs.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
There stamina seem equal.


I see no reason an assault even the world's best, should have better hand to hand compacity then the world champ, he may not stand up to the Z fighters but he is the champion of the world still and has still defended his title from multiple very strong and very skilled opponents. I think he takes this.

+ he has bombs as a last resort
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Are you voting for Mr Satan in that case?
 
Darkmon_cns said:
The other guy's best chance is to play it Stealthy and get the king with the knock out rag, but given herk is twice as strong, a successful grapple to pull that off is unlikly.
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Renfield is acrobatic enough to close the distance to grapple and combat Mr Satan. Grappling would mean ggs for Satan seeing the sheer LS difference. Stealth is not needed at all.
 
I also wanna mention that Renfield if he feels needed will pop a Stat Amplification which boost his capabilities enough to oneshot those who could previously overwhelm him. Literally crush their bones and inner organs. Mr Satan has no answer to this even if he were supposed to overwhelm Renfield physically, which I heavily doubt without showings of combat skill.
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
1. I'm sorry? This is false. Mr Satan as stated on his profile has no notable stamina feats to compare to Renfield who has a cut and clear inhumane & superhuman endurance feat unachieved by Satan so no, they don't have equal stamina.
2. Having Superhuman stamina ≠ Equal stamina with another character who has the same stamina rating. It's solely feats that are compared.
3. Mr Satan's stamina is validated by the fact he takes hits from characters who aren't using their adequate strength to kill him.... Meaning it's unquantifiable the damage done to him.... Most of the damage (E.G. Him getting sent through a tree) he takes harbor 9-B destruction which.... Renfield is also 9-B... Makes no difference regardless. Doesn't matter much if he doesn't scale to the characters in any way who supposedly back up his "stamina".



I see your point. Unlike Mr Satan, Renfield has much showings of martial arts capability which even if Mr Satan has incredible skill, Renfield will not be left in the dust. It's essentially Title and Fame vs Actual Showings of Skill in CQC. I think it cancels out tbh. Renfield also has improvised weaponry in this setting which is a step above what Mr Satan has with martial skill. I believe he takes this with this advantage more than not based on this.


I didn't give Mr Satan his optional equipment. Aka no bombs.
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1 taking a hit from cell and to keep on chugging afterwards is what got him his superhuman stamina rating, I view that as equally impressive when compared to the things listed for the other guy

2 I was indeed comparing the feats, surviving getting thrown well over 100 feet and making an indent in rock, that's alot worse then going through a tree.

Sorry I'll get back to you in a bit got pulled away from here
 
Darkmon_cns said:
1 taking a hit from cell and to keep on chugging afterwards is what got him his superhuman stamina rating, I view that as equally impressive when compared to the things listed for the other guy
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I can't see eye to eye with you on this ngl... Especially since Mr Satan doesn't scale to Cell nor was Cell "trying" to kill him in that moment meaning the amount of force he took from cell is unknown... Nor were the other people who supposedly harmed him. They were casual attacks which have unquantifiable force to them meaning the damage he endured is unknown. It seems we won't come to a conclusion on this point.

I find surviving for hours with your stomach gouged out and intestines falling out while fighting and later winning to then carry numerous bodies to an entirely different location is far more impressive but hey! That's just me ig. This is entirely fatal to any living organism and fictional characters that don't have Immo Type 2 or Regeneration OR better yet immense supernatural willpower which Renfield has.

Darkmon_cns said:
2 I was indeed comparing the feats, surviving getting thrown well over 100 feet and making an indent in rock, that's alot worse then going through a tree
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This feat doesn't matter as Mr Satan has the durability to survive this and there's a big difference between durability and endurance. He's 9-B for heaven's sake, he could handle 10 more of this kind of blunt damage. Stamina should be applicable for attacks that do immense and severe damage to someone but still endure regardless..... Mr Satan has no feats which fall in this category, the profile proclaims this aswell.

Darkmon_cns said:
Sorry I'll get back to you in a bit got pulled away from here
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I understand :]
 
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Ya thinking it over he dosen't have any counter for lifting strength. It's unfortunate, I kinda think that makes it a stomp?
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Ya thinking it over he dosen't have any counter for lifting strength. It's unfortunate, I kinda think that makes it a stomp?
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Mr Satan having over 2x more AP than Renfield and titles of having martial skill superior to any human.... He has major advantages on his side for this to be deemed a stomp and these two advantages make it possible for Mr Satan to pose a threat to Renfield. More of a decisive win for Renfield with his superior physical capabilities and LS.
 
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