Removing False Statement about Grizzly Vs Moose

[DarkDragonMedeus]

On the Grizzly Bear page, there is this sentence in the AP section. Can kill moose in a single swipe and has been alleged to decapitate them through its strikes. The problem, it is a bald faced false statement. This video below basically explains in the first minute.

At best, I could see it happening when a full grown male grizzly doing it to a baby moose, but there have been 0 recorded cases of a grizzly solo'ing a full grown bull moose to my knowledge. Not only are Moose thicker and more durable than grizzlies, they are also taller on all fours than a Grizzly is on two if we talk about the Alaskan Bull Moose especially.

Quite simple, the sentence above needs to be removed, no changes to statistics ratings given that's just the calculations and what not. Though I think moose could have wall level ends for durability if we take body slamming or charging into account. And there could be corrections added, though our moose page seems to be more generalized and not particularly elaborates on the male vs female or what different subspecies of moose; particularly Alaskan variants.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@DemiiPowa @CrimsonStarFallen @Random-Helper323 Asking staff knowledgeable on real world section.
@Spinoirr @Sans2345 @Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer and a few more that specify being knowledgeable about animals.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

@DemiiPowa @CrimsonStarFallen @Random-Helper323 Asking staff knowledgeable on real world section.
@Spinoirr @Sans2345 @Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer and a few more that specify being knowledgeable about animals.

Saw the OP a few minutes ago before you sent the notifying message, thanks for notifying.
Will do, thanks.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Quite simple, the sentence above needs to be removed, no changes to statistics ratings given that's just the calculations and what not. Though I think moose could have wall level ends for durability if we take body slamming or charging into account. And there could be corrections added, though our moose page seems to be more generalized and not particularly elaborates on the male vs female or what different subspecies of moose; particularly Alaskan variants.

The attack potency for moose mentions wall level KE, I guess that can be added into durability.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Done.

 

[Spinoirr]

That makes sense, although I don't know why a there when it's not true

 

[Random-Helper323]

I'm pretty sure a moose is a good deal heavier than a grizzly, so that is strange. I know that the moose is basically untouchable in its environment except that a major predator of the moose is the orca (an Orca is 35 feet long though), despite the moose living in places with polar bears, so it would be strange for the moose to be so unbeatable if polar bears were able to kill it that easily.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm guessing there are no contentions with the sentence removal part?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I agree too

 

[Random-Helper323]

I just did some looking. Mooses weigh a bit more than a grizzly overall, but the simple answer is that Grizzlies can and do kill mooses, but by wrestling them down and tearing into their throats, not smacking their heads off.

Considering that crocodiles, which often weigh a similar amount to Grizzlies, frequently attack and kill creatures far lighter than mooses specifically by biting their heads and yet generally don't rip their heads off does support this notion.

For a point of comparison, one creature that is known to decapitate another with a strike is a giraffe kicking off a lion's head, and a giraffe weighs 1750-2800 pounds versus the lion's 330-570 pounds. More than three times heavier even if we use maximum lion mass and minimum giraffe mass.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I just did some looking. Mooses weigh a bit more than a grizzly overall, but the simple answer is that Grizzlies can and do kill mooses, but by wrestling them down and tearing into their throats, not smacking their heads off.

Considering that crocodiles, which often weigh a similar amount to Grizzlies, frequently attack and kill creatures far lighter than mooses specifically by biting their heads and yet generally don't rip their heads off does support this notion.

So the grizzly bear uses similar methods to other predators like wolves, wild cats (tigers, lions, cheetahs, leopards, jaguars (though jaguars also bite through the skull), pumas/cougars, etc), hyenas, etc...
Crocodilians (true crocodiles, alligators, caimans, gharials and false gharials) do tear pieces of their prey off while hunting and eating (during the death roll especially), but yeah they don't completely tear heads off (they can tear limbs off though).

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I just did some looking. Mooses weigh a bit more than a grizzly overall, but the simple answer is that Grizzlies can and do kill mooses, but by wrestling them down and tearing into their throats, not smacking their heads off.

Yeah, it was especially the "Slice off their head with a single swipe" was downright false. They more so do the same thing other predators do; pin them down and use multiple bites to the neck. And they also overpower and kill calves usually, and on rarer occasions, adult male bears kill adult female moose. But a full grown male moose is basically any smart bear would not even try to mess with them.