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Except, where it is published it is not violating anything, and no hypotheticals change that.
Yes, it's supposed to be that way, it was written in verse, by a bad author. It's a pardoy.
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Removal thread for The Blue and White
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Anyway, It still hasn't broken any standards or laws.
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Just been hearing "Well, it would be illegal if it was here in the US, maybe, but you know, it's not, but IT WOULD BE, possibly, and that's what matters."
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I mean, you can keep claiming this all you like but until the author has express licensing from Toei, Marvel, ONE, Perriot, and every other company they are using characters from to use their characters in his novels, it breaks the wiki's "sufficient amount of another piece of fiction's copyrighted material without official permission" rule. theres not really any way you can argue he hasnt.
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It is a Chinese website, but I suggest that we should not engage in the original region of the website too much as "everything there is political" as far as I know. Rather, we should better stick on the specific proposal.Isn't it hosted on a Chinese website that has its servers housed in China? How the **** would the US force them to take it down if they can't eliminate all the other counterfeits coming out of the region?
My opinion is that the VS Battles Wiki does not host pure fan fictions, which are for FC/OC Wiki. Therefore, I feel that it is better to argue if it pure fan fictions ("copyright infringement" works are included as well because the debate regarding the fan fiction and copyright infringement is a controversial topic), and I feel that the current discussion may miss this point. In a word, if it is a pure fan fiction, exclude it.
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From Editing Rules.
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10% is not a sufficient amount.
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1. Where are you getting 10% from?
2. 10% of 860+ chapters is 86+ chapters, that is more than a lot of novel series. That is definitely sufficient.
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The real issue is that the rules of versus battle are not specific. It doesn't say the verse cant have another fiction material but instead says too much of it can't be present. In this case, Non-Humans setting, story, nor world is about another fictions material.
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Giving you guys the most generous estimate, though honestly, it's not even that.
Not in the context of the story, no.
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Anyway, I consider this to be unknown territory, and the person with the best grasp of this would be Antvasima.
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I personally do not at all mind if we completely delete this verse from our wiki.
@Celestial_Pegasus @Mr._Bambu @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Abstractions @GyroNutz @Maverick_Zero_X
What do you think?
@Celestial_Pegasus @Mr._Bambu @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Abstractions @GyroNutz @Maverick_Zero_X
What do you think?
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Summarized;
The Series itself is serialized, licensed & published, not only in China but in the US. It is not listed as fanfiction on any official sites, nor by its published and licensed company. It has been stated to be published under CC (Creative Commons) 3.0 as well. I find this to be sufficient considering all these IPs would also have their own copyrights in China and the series has still not been taken down after 5 Years, especially since it is legally being sold.
Neither the story, main characters, nor the world is based on the settings of any copyrighted material, at most there has been the appearance of characters from other franchises, or uses of their concepts. They are unrelated to any tiering the verse uses and are unrelated to its cosmology. I would say more than 800 Chapters of the novel are focused on its own canon stuff, with the references and appearances mostly being for fun and random fights.
If it is removed, then that should be limited to the 1st Novel, and the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th should be fine.
The Series itself is serialized, licensed & published, not only in China but in the US. It is not listed as fanfiction on any official sites, nor by its published and licensed company. It has been stated to be published under CC (Creative Commons) 3.0 as well. I find this to be sufficient considering all these IPs would also have their own copyrights in China and the series has still not been taken down after 5 Years, especially since it is legally being sold.
Neither the story, main characters, nor the world is based on the settings of any copyrighted material, at most there has been the appearance of characters from other franchises, or uses of their concepts. They are unrelated to any tiering the verse uses and are unrelated to its cosmology. I would say more than 800 Chapters of the novel are focused on its own canon stuff, with the references and appearances mostly being for fun and random fights.
If it is removed, then that should be limited to the 1st Novel, and the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th should be fine.
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Strongly agreed.
And in addition, although it is likely not relevant for an evaluation regarding whether or not this verse should be removed, it seems absolutely vile on a moral level.
To quote myself from elsewhere:
"From what I have seen so far, I personally find the entire author mindset behind Xianxia cultivation stories psychopathic, absolutely power-mad, cruel, malevolent, amoral, egomaniacal, divisive, tyrannical, social Darwinian, clichéd/formulaic/unimaginative, ruthlessly self-righteous, ultimately nihilistic, and otherwise morally repugnant. I have no interest in spending excessive amounts of time helping out with acting as a marketing tool for any more of them.
Basically, I am not at all a fan of completely irresponsible and callous power-tripping for the sake of cruel egomania and subjugation."
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Having a character called "Saitama" and having them look and act exactly the same as the original with little to no deviation and taking it at 100% face value is considered intellectual property theft.
Even if that skirts real world laws, it just doesn't fly under our own site's standards. You're not breaking American laws, you're breaking VSBW laws.
Even if that skirts real world laws, it just doesn't fly under our own site's standards. You're not breaking American laws, you're breaking VSBW laws.
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something something '12 chapters of the character fighting Saitama while using powers from other franchises'
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Also, strongly agreed.
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That's fine, the removal should still be limited to the 1st Novel.
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The entire work is affected by wanton massive intellectual property theft and plagiarism. Not just the specific sentences in which these characters appeared.
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The 1st Novel has the issues mentioned above, the 2nd, 3rd & 4th Novels do not. There is nothing in their content that violates any rules.
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I think the better option would be to remove whole thing and then make a separate case for the other 3 although that's not looking too bright either due to this.
Not up to me though.
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Unlike before where Saitama appeared, that just uses the idea of TOAA, it's an original character, with original powers, scaling, and what not.
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Though, I don't make making separate cases, better than having half a year of work be for nothing.
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They are still affected by the groundwork laid out earlier, so that doesn't matter in the slightest. The official staff decision here is to get rid of this verse, no matter how you try to rationalise keeping it.
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Except their not, the novels are all separate stories, they're not affected in the slightest. At best they meet up and finish stories near the end.
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But fine, I guess onto a new verse I go.
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Thank you for being reasonable.
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@Just_a_Random_Butler @Tllmbrg @Nehz_XZX @Dereck03
Would any of you be willing to delete the following pages and remove all links to them from other VS Battles wiki pages please?
vsbattles.fandom.com
Would any of you be willing to delete the following pages and remove all links to them from other VS Battles wiki pages please?
The Blue and White
vsbattles.fandom.com
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But isnt it too cruel? Shouldn't the verse relocated to the other wiki like FC/OC instead?
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I believe a special case should be made (they don't allow tier 1's and above) especially with how all the tiering was accepted here.
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Oh ya, moving it to FC/OC would be cool, I did have a lot of stuff I still wanted to add to it.
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Yeah i was gonna say, if its agreed to be removed we should at least give SpaceMan time to back up all of his profiles so he doesnt lose all of his work for nothing
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Just saved everything, you can send it off.
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Wow
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That seems reasonable, yes.
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Well, we have to wait for our content moderators to handle it first.Just saved everything, you can send it off.
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Maybe contacting with FC/OC Wiki staffs is a choice, though management in FC/OC Wiki is not as efficient as management in VS Battles Wiki.
Maybe it is better for us to give some time to archive the profiles. (Maybe we could use some script to automatically archive pages in Internet Archive or something?)
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