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Regarding the tiering of numerous One Piece characters

Your scaling is horrendous. Didn't Aizen already tell you about it?

Where did you even get Low 6-B from?

Honestly this is bad.
 
I'm not the one applying All of the edits, also @Aizen - If Dragon is considered the "most dangerous man" in the world, doesn't that amount to something? Though I guess him having a tier is absolutely pointless since he is purely featless.
 
The most dangerous man in the world is literally nothing. It can refer to him having dangerous information of the government. He has plans that will destroy the marines. He has an army. Being "dangerous" doesn't mean you're strong.
 
@Kuu - it would help if everyone else who saw the calculations were "accepted" didn't start flying off the handle. I've been up since yesterday trying to fix some of the profiles and scalings. I apologize if they are a mess.
 
The calc was 6-B, just because the other characters are at least to you "slightly" weaker, you can't just upgrade them to low 6-B. The bird cage was not casual, the bird cage is the toughest of strings that Doffy has. You can't scale it to his normal durablity.
 
Most of the issues (or rather the most pressing issue out of several)) seem to stem from Doflamingos birdcage scaling to his normal attacks. This should not be the case at all.

Why would the birdcage be a threat at all if someone like Luffy can break his strings??? Its insane.

And again you are scaling people to feats to which they have no business scaling to. "They shouldnt be much weaker" is not a argument or proof for scaling just below the calc.
 
@Aizen and @Blue - tell me how it makes any sense for Doflamingo to throw up the cage (made from millions of his own threads), but use threads that are like 1% as durable as them to fight against his opponents. He'd be better off just throwing up the Bird-Cage with himself on the outside.

Doflamingo took blows from Luffy, who broke his threads, so ofc his durability would scale in some regard

What would you have me do?
 
The real cal howard said:
I believe he should likely be 6-B, but the reasoning isn't good.
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Without the reasoning, there's not a shread of thing making him 6-B other than headcanon. Explain to me please Cal.
 
I already changed Dragon to Unknown. I should honestly do the same for Gold Roger since he is also completely featless and is scaled to being "stronger than literally everyone else"
 
"He'd be better off just throwing up the Bird-Cage with himself on the outside"

Of course! Just like how Law would be off just switching Trebol and Doffy's ability, but why didn't he use it? PIS,
 
@Blue - you'd think he'd actually try to do something like that, especially in a losing battle.

But what suggests that Bird-Cage >>>> combative threads? The only character in the arc shown capable of destroying his threads was Luffy in Gear 4th.

Also, Law could've just bypassed the threads with his Room, but both Luffy and him wanted to defeat Doflamingo.
 
CinCameron20 said:
@Aizen and @Blue - tell me how it makes any sense for Doflamingo to throw up the cage (made from millions of his own threads), but use threads that are like 1% as durable as them to fight against his opponents. He'd be better off just throwing up the Bird-Cage with himself on the outside.

Doflamingo took blows from Luffy, who broke his threads, so ofc his durability would scale in some regard

What would you have me do?
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You tell me how it scales to his usual ap with every noteworthy character on the island, including fujitora, being unable to destroy or stop the birdcage. G4 Luffy>Fujitora confirmed?

As for why he didnt put himself outside the cage I guess he wasnt smart enough to think of that.
 
You need to stop with your cinful logic :3. Law should of done it in the losing battle, the body swap does not require any prep time as shown when he did it to the straw hats members. If he did it, both Trebol and Doffy would be vulnerable due to switching bodies AND both of them have never used eachother power's before so their attacks will be weaker. Oda does PIS all the damn time.

 
@Aizen - Fujitora's capabilities are clearly questionable since he was struggling against Gear 3rd Luffy in a physical confrontation.

Doflamingo was certainly arrogant. He started closing the bird-cage slowly during 783 instead of top speed from Chapter 745.

The real question is "Why didn't Law do anything about the Bird Cage?" since he can literally cut through anything and he was absent for most of the final fight.
 
"Why didn't Law do anything about the Bird Cage?"

PIS. PIS. PIS. One Piece is filled with pis. There's your answer.
 
@Blue - it did seem to require an action before he applied "shambles" in the manga, but either way, he should have attempted to do it, even if he somehow failed and got wrecked.
 
What was the point of bring up the law question again? I don't think it's related to the bird cage scaling.
 
@Blue - I think my statement was missed from earlier.

I was saying that, if Doflamingo can summon up countless threads to form the bird-cage (from his clone), why couldn't he summon them when fighting in combat? It doesn't exactly make sense for him to use inferior threads in combat, especially since the Bird cage spans across the island. Using threads that would be <1% as durable as his bird-cage threads seems very unrealistic.
 
I feel like this post just became super passive aggressive

Look, I love One Piece, but the scaling is becoming crazy.

I am not staff, but I am just going to bring up a few points.

Tier 6 Characters:

Robin, Chinjao, Lao G, etc etc should not be in this category.

I am going to start with Pica. He got calced at City Level and for the longest time, he was labeled at likely 7-A. I am fine with any of the three commanders and vergo being ranked this for the following reason.

The Gap Between the three commanders, vergo and doflamingo is immense

Doflamingo practically almost killed Sanji if Law didn't intervene. It would be even the slightest bit crazy to allow such scaling for even sanji at low 6-B.

I propose Sanji and Zoro, as well as the three commanders being downgraded to 7-A. This seems reasonable and it isnt that far of a stretch to say such.

And if give ANY tier 6 ranking to robin, which I admit she isnt weak, but she doesn't deserve any ranking in tier 6.

Doflamingo is 6-B. I think everyone agrees here.

Luffy can also be scaled 6-B since he was pretty competitive against doflamingo. Since he had to resort to his Awakening, I will assume that Luffy is probably scalable.

Law is more interesting. His DF is more haxy in general, I will hear another opinion before I say conclusively where he should be, but I think he is also fine at country level.


All Commanders = City Level to Mountain Level. Not sure who was what before. I think this is fair and not biased.

Sanji and Zoro = Likely Mountain Level seems fine to me. Zoro beat Pica and still hasn't used Asura, and Sanji was competitive against Vergo.

You mentioned Robin, I think she should probably be City Level. Franky is currently city level for his scaling so I think it is fair to say she is the same. I guess this scales off brook too.


If the weakling trio is Nami, Chopper and Robin and the monster trio is Zoro, Sanji and Luffy, then I guess the other three scale off one another.

I admit though, anyone can probably look at this and call this a stretch, I could just be a crazy pleb who is talking nonesense, but I think this makes the most sense.

Everything else I am fine with. I remember once that Sengoku said that if one prisoner was to hide in a country somewhere, they could do massive damage.


Might be speaking to the choir on that one, but I think that scales off of anyone in level six. Crocodile for sure since he clashed with Doflamingo and as well as Ace MAYBE since he did clash with Aokiji.


Sorry if this is staff only, I just know alot about one piece and I thought my opinion would be valid.


TL;DR

Doflamingo, Luffy and Law = Country Level

Yonko and Admirals = At least Country Level

Level 6 Prisoners = Possibly Country Level, Likely Country Level if they clashed with any of the above characters for a brief period of time.

3 Commanders, Vergo, Zoro and Sanji = Likely Mountain Level.

The other 9 something commanders = City Level to Mountain Level (I think Lao G had a calc somewhere of being mountain level or he scaled of chinjao cuz I cant remember which one)

That is it. Unless there is a redone of the meteor/bird cage calc, my opinion of this stays.
 
@KinkiestSins - This is not Staff Only.

I agree that downgrades for the "Low 6-B" characters are in order. Chinjao did take a hit from Luffy, but it nearly one-shot him, and it was Luffy without the usage of any of his Gears... Gear 3rd reformed Chinjao's head and KO'd him right then and there.

@Blue and Aizen - What do you two think should be done with these characters in terms of tier? I say we downgrade them, but to what, I don't know.
 
@kiniestSin makes great points on how to scale the characters properly


However their is still the issue of scaling doflamingos normal threads vs his birdcage. For starters @Cincameron you can't assume that doffys normal threads are equal to that of his birdcage. You and I and a lot other people know that his bird cage was immensely more durable than anything he's used. The fact that fujitora,zoro,sanji,and so many different people couldn't stop the birdcage. Let alone destroy it shows very clearly that they weren't nearly strong enough to break it. And these are people you put on similar levels to doffy mind you

Too put into perspective, if I was a character who relied on let's say bullets and guns as my weapon, and let's say one of the weapons I had was a Missle launcher, would said Missle launcher scale to my normal bullets and guns, of course not.

The birdcage was clearly not meant to be a destructive type of move, focusing on pure defense and "caging" opponents and giving DOFFY environmental versatility, again if multiple characters that you state are all country to small country level couldn't even dent the damn thing, than that goes to show you that doffys birdcage thread is on a whole another level in sheer durability. Especially if other weaker characters were capable of breaking doffys normal thread, and thus should not be in anyway scaled to doffys attack potency normal Durabilty.

So to conclude this, his AP and dura should be reverted to island level or large island level while have his bird cage be seperated to country level for Durabilty(Like how accelerator has Multi continent level dura for his shields, but street level by himself.)
 
@Grudge - Comparing Doflamingo's threads to variety of guns and bullets does not make sense given that they come directly from his body. As I said before, it makes no sense for him to be utilizing threads that are vastly inferior to his bird cage threads due to the fact that he can generate a massive amount of those threads with the flick of his fingers.

I told you that only one character destroyed Doflamingo's threads: Luffy. Doflamingo's Black Knight is the only other thing in the arc to be "damaged" by lower level characters.
 
I am going to keep this simple Grudgeman.

I generally agree with you, but at the same time, this was Doflamingo from his regular devil fruit abilities

We can assume he is probably 6-B in AP with his awakening as well.

Again though, this is an assumption. Not sure if Dressrosa itself is a size of a country, but if it is, it might scale still to 6-B doflamingo.

I think personally, the 6-B stands. At the very worst, we can say 6-B with Bird Cage and scale appropriately. That isnt unfair I think.

I mean, if he can surround the country with the bird cage and use it to destroy something at a 6-B range, I think it might be possible his awakening should scale as well.

If you don't generally agree, then yes we can do 6-B with Bird Cage and have him At Least 6-C


It will probably look like this


Attack Potency: At Least Island Level (Matched Luffy and was able to contend with Aokiji for a brief period of time), possibly higher. Country Level with Birdcage.

And I think everyone else can use their imagination for everyone else.

But Personally, I vote for him staying country level.

At first, I thought Cin was crazy when he posted that (no offense)

But the more I had to think about this as well as previous statements, we can assume that country level is pretty fair for most of the high/top tiers.
 
I am with Cin on him staying Country Level as well as for relevant characters.

But Cin, I do have one question.

What about Law? You did mention luffy being able to I guess destroy the strings, but Law's ability is more haxy and less AP in general.

I think he should probably be downgraded to just Possibly 6-B.

Only because he didn't do as well against Doflamingo as Luffy did.

Would you agree or disagree?
 
@Kinkiest - Law still blocked attacks from Doflamingo with his haki and his sword. He held his own for a while in both fights he had with Doflamingo.
 
I guess for the sake of his former position, I will let the scaling slide.

Shouldn't this be highlighted for more input?

I am going to vote for my scaling since it makes the most sense.

I think the only exception to the above rule might be Jinbei.

He should probably just be a solid 6-B since he has fought Akainu and Luffy for a brief period of time and in the anime at least (not sure about the manga.) He did tank a gear second pistol or stamp pretty easily. Not sure if that is a stretch to say but I think I am fine with him being 6-B too.

Oh as for the Gear 2 and Third, I think High 7-A to 6-C might be fine

I remember Gear Third Elephant Gatling was tearing noah apart, which was about the size of Fishman Island.

If someone could calc how big fishman island was, I think that will be great, but that is the assumption I am going to stay with.


Edit: Base Luffy was at High 7-A before, I think 6-C with gear second and third is not that far of a stretch.
 
Superficial Damage though.

Sanji also caused superficial damage to a weakened Luffy.

I am going to stand by that ranking for lesser gears.

I think he is Small Country right now with his lesser gears, right?

I think an easy way to bury this would be to just calc Noah size, wouldn't you agree?

And if that isnt possible, I guess he will do what we did before.

He was high 7-A because gear fourth at the time was 6-C, right? (correct me if I am wrong on this)

So then by that logic, I guess Small Country will have to apply here as well.
 
He was High 7-A in base for being unscathed after tanking 1.5GT of tnt to the face.

the Noah Feat came from successive punches, and was small city level.
 
So we can have that stay, that makes sense.

As for the gears, I think I am just unsure.

I don't know what my opinion on this in general is.

I do however plan to make a super long ass post about power scaling with one piece and my opinion on it since I have nothing better to do with my life.

And because I think it will be fun, mostly lol.

I will link you when it is done.

But I think I lean to Small Country Level Luffy with gears.

Fishman Island is one of the bigger countries we have seen in the one piece universe and just for simplicity sake, I think it would still apply. If he did cause superficial damage to doflamino with second and third, I am going to I guess agree with Luffy being small country with gears 2nd and third.
 
@Kinkiest - No. He was High 7-A, but due to the 6-B feat which scales to Doflamingo, Luffy also scales since he can take hits from Doflamingo while in base, and his Gear 4th was the capability to snap several of Doflamingo's threads.

Fishman Island arc Luffy is 7-C via feats.
 
So 6-B luffy with gears second and third in your opinion and at least 6-b with fourth?

Just to keep this simple, I feel like I am miscommunicating something here lol.

Didn't know fishman island luffy was 7-C. Huh. Not sure what to say about that.

You don't mind if I still make that post to throw my hat in the ring about the scaling, do you?
 
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