Regarding Notorious B.I.G.

[Vizorus69]

In the previous Notorious B.I.G. revision, his Regenerationn was downgraded into only high-mid. From these two back-to-back pages, you can clearly see Notorious B.I.G. completely disappearing. If it's not Mid-Godly regen, than it's at least Mid-High.

 

[Vizorus69]

Also, I doubt it's mid-godly, since there are souls in JoJo, and also afterlife, so his soul must go somewhere and still exists. The highest regen he gets are low-godly.

 

[Vizorus69]

Bump.

 

[Genericstickman]

Low-Godly makes more sense then Mid-Godly

 

[PolarKid]

yeah i think he heeds to have low godly

 

[Vizorus69]

Bump.

 

[Emperoer]

From what I remember, when the stand user dies, his stand is completely erased from existence, either Low or Mid Godly would be fine

I'd advise to contact jojo's knowledgeable members

 

[Torlikoff]

The Mid-Godly used to be the case, but it was decided that wasn't the case as it was said to be a specific feature of the stand to activate after the users death.

 

[Genericstickman]

Technically Stands in Jojo are both souls of the user and their own being since some stands can be sentient for example everyone's favourite confusing stand Dragon's Dream

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Hey Ya was super sentient and there's a part 8 stand that kept living after it's owner died.

 

[Vizorus69]

The Mid-Godly used to be the case, but it was decided that wasn't the case as it was said to be a specific feature of the stand to activate after the users death.

Yes, but Notorious B.I.G.'s current Regenerationn is only High-Mid, which is healing from being cut to many pieces, while from those two pages, after Carne died, the stand disappeared, which indicates somewhere between Mid-High, to Low-Godly.

I don't think it's Mid-Godly, because an afterlife has been shown in JoJo, and since a stand is the soul of the user, the mind must still exist after death.

 

[ProfessorLord]

I do not believe B.I.G. was entirely destroyed. For him to have even Low-Godly, that would mean he is able to survive atomization... which I don't think he ever did. I am inclined to say leave him at what he is and maybe even upgrade him to Low-High Regenerationn.

Him coming back into existance is more resurrection than anything.

 

[Vizorus69]

Are souls made out of atoms? If one isn't made of an atom, will atomization work?

 

[ProfessorLord]

Presumably, they are made out of a fundemental structure or force of some kind. They function in similar regards to humanoids and objects though, they must have a smallest unit so to speak. I don't know if it is atoms persay, but I highly suspect it is something similar.

All speculation though. For practical purposes atomization will work.

 

[PaChi2]

Notorious BIG activates at death so... No Mid-godly regen for it, or even low-godly.

 

[Vizorus69]

Yes, but after Carne's death, the stand disappear before appearing again later.

 

[PaChi2]

Yes, but after Carne's death, the stand disappear before appearing again later.

That, unless there is an explanation (which I dont remember), its Notorious' activation. Assuming it is regen is speculation.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

It is also speculation to assume that it is inherent to the ability for it to resurect. considering the stand itself show Regenerationn, it is more likely regen then just straight up resurection. if anything, I would say the stand stats most imply it is type 8 immortality to the grudge of its user. Its the thing that is most implied by the wording of it, and is also the best middle ground I think

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Notorious BIG activates at death so... No Mid-godly regen for it, or even low-godly.

I mean...Notorious B.I.G. is still living in Cuba with Tupac, so he has no need to regenerate.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

There are two ways to go about this. The stand's page specifies that it turns on after the death of its user specifically.


1. Noto didn't die after Carne did but only activated its special ability and regen'd after he died. This is supported by the verse's mechanics as Anubis and Milagro Man are stands that can function without users/even when their user is dead. This would give Noto low godly as it is seen getting destroyed when Carne dies but still comes back later despite its whole body being gone. This would not give Anubis or Milagro Man low godly because they did not get destroyed by the loss of their user and remained intact. They were only used as examples of Stands without owners and to prove that it is possible that Noto's mind stayed around and didn't regen until Carnes grudge went into effect.


2.Noto died when its owner died and he gets ressurection.


I vote for the first one.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

In the first option, it would actually be mid godly regen because Noto doesn't be have a soul and would be coming back from his mind.

 

[PaChi2]

In the first option, it would actually be mid godly regen because Noto doesn't be have a soul and would be coming back from his mind.

Coming back from a mind is still Low godly.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate even after being completely erased from existence, including mind, body, and soul.


I did not see the mind part, it's just low godly then my b.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@Dragon

It could also be type 8 based on the user's grudge too

 

[DragonEmperor23]

You mean like you need to destroy the hate of BIG to kill it?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

More like, its the grudge that keep BIG going. We know that stands are essentially run on their users will power, and are a part of their soul or spiritual energy. Its rather obvious that the user's soul isn't around anymore, and its the grudge that keeps the stand on. Maybe the grudge can be thought of as the stand in or source of the will power that keeps the stand going, but since you can't kill the user to get rid of the stand like you could with a normal one, it would be essentially immortal

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Makes sense to me.

 

[Vizorus69]

And the grudge that kept him alive also give him the ability to regenerate from the grudge, which in this case can be said to be the mind, so it's Low-Godly.

Healing from only the mind.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Correct.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

And the grudge that kept him alive also give him the ability to regenerate from the grudge, which in this case can be said to be the mind, so it's Low-Godly.
Healing from only the mind.

Yup

Type 8 based on a remnent of the mind

 

[PaChi2]

Type 8 based on a renmanent of the mind isnt legit afaik.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The type 8 comes from the hate that the mind created before Carne died.

 

[PaChi2]

Too. Much. Speculation.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Isn't it more speculation to say the stand died when canonically no stands have died? Even when Kira was dead and only had a soul, he still had Killer Queen. Same thing with Kira's dad.

 

[PaChi2]

Isn't it more speculation to say the stand died when canonically no stands have died? Even when Kira was dead and only had a soul, he still had Killer Queen. Same thing with Kira's dad.

Using the rules of normal stands with a stand that activates at the user's dead is not wise.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The stand activates at the users death, that is correct. Noto is what I'm saying has low godly not Carne.

 

[PaChi2]

The stand activates at the users death, that is correct. Noto is what I'm saying has low godly not Carne.

Noto doesnt regen beyond what we saw it doing inside the airplane. You cant use Noto appearing and disappearing as irrefutable fact that it regenerated because Noto is not a normal stand.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

So what would you count the disappearing as, teleportation?

 

[PaChi2]

So what would you count the disappearing as, teleportation?

It had to get to the airplame somehow right?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Hmmm. I guess that makes sense. I want to hear Iapitis and Vizorus's opinions too though.