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Regarding Asgardian weaponry

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Well in the MCU there's three cases where a 8A stabbed or harmed a 7A/High 7A object or character and two cases where a 8A stabbed a High 6B. Seems semi-consistent across Thor 1/Avengers/Thor 2/Thor 3 that Asgardian weapons can hit above their wielder's weight class.


There's also Gamora harming Groot and stabbing Thanos in the reality stone thing but I dunno how much those count.
 
This is relevant to what's being argued so I'll post again:

I think baseline assumption is to treat and assume all weapons function the same in real life as they do in fiction. (standard being that piercing weapons inflict more damage on slightly higher tiers than non-piercing weapons) If this is disproven through feats (like adamantium claws harming the hulk) then those specific weapons/materials can become an exception, and either scale from the durability of the character they harmed, or are considered outliers. In the Wolverine example you provided it was not considered an outlier because adamantium has consistently demonstrated it's ability to harm not just Hulk but Thor and other heavy hitters as well, so we scaled it to them.

So yes, there are a few exceptions where specific weapons can hit well above there tier in the MCU.
 
@Qawsedf234 Don't think we can use that illusion scene. However yeah, it's consistent.

@ProfessorLord Ok. Seems reasonable.
 
I'm very much against using "fiction tends to do ____" as an argument in any case.

Your argument really does boil down to "It's fiction so it doesn't have to make sense", as everything relies on you ignoring the notion of "you literally cannot do anything with a weapon unless you have the sufficient strength behind it".

We tend to take very strict and conservative stances, and applying real-world logic is our general approach, save for special cases. So I say it's best to say we don't give higher rankings "via sharp weapons", as it's illogical and inconsistent with our general approach on things.
 
And yet we accept that fictional armors can magically enhance the users' durability when they should be turned into mashed potatoes when hit with a sufficiently strong attack, regardless of it actually doing damage on the armor.

We're kinda being nitpicky on which ones to strictly apply real world rules to.
 
Not to mention we also accept that fiction ignores conservation of energy, KE doesn't work normallly in fiction, and lightspeed isn't infinite energy in fiction.
 
So what would be the propsed change? Changing Valkyrie, Loki, Sif, and Heimdall's tier to "8A physically, High 7A'/'High 6-B with weapons"?
 
As far as I'm aware, a characater only has "via weapon" if it has special properties that seperate itself in terms of tier.
 
So we either disregard them as consistent outliers or make a concession that Asgardian Weapons can harm people significantly stronger than their average wielders? Am I getting that right?
 
I actually agree with your proposed change. Not well versed in the MCU so I can't really comment further.

No, clearly the weapons are magical and have special properties and are therefore the reason why they can hit well above there tier.
 
Its an iffy thing to talk about I agree. Since if the change is accepted Asgard is a place full of (on average) Ôëñ8As but can mass produce 7A to High 6B weapons. Would explain how they conquered like 9 galaxies I guess.
 
I would think it would be changed zo something like "can ignore durability to an extent via weapons" while possibly mentioning to what extent in the standard equipment
 
Like I said not sure what a Dragonfang is and I'm not well versed in MCU, but an example I can give is: Higher with Mjolnir
 
I don't know. What is the conclusion here?
 
Okay. If the rest of the staff have accepted this, I do not have a problem with it either.
 
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